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Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming
National Geographic News ^

Posted on 03/02/2007 6:22:22 AM PST by WBL 1952

Simultaneous warming on Earth and Mars suggests that our planet's recent climate changes have a natural—and not a human- induced—cause.

Earth is currently experiencing rapid warming, which the vast majority of climate scientists says is due to humans pumping huge amounts of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.

Mars, too, appears to be enjoying more mild and balmy temperatures.

In 2005 data from NASA's Mars Global Surveyor and Odyssey missions revealed that the carbon dioxide "ice caps" near Mars's south pole had been diminishing for three summers in a row.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.nationalgeographic.com ...


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To: xcamel; neverdem; secretagent
See?

Even his chart slows the temperature has "leveled off" since Bush became president!

Seriously.

Do you see the BOTTOM of the recent "red" lines - the lines that are high-lighted as IF they were filled in from 0 to the current temp increase of .3 degrees? On the REAL chart from NASA for troposphere temperatures (which is what this character has warped for his purposes) the red lines are the max-min points for each year. They are NOT filled in like he has done. They do NOT show a continuous rise since 1980.

They do NOT show a "0" point at 1980 - a LOW point in NASA's graph!

This graph from the warmer socialist is a LIE. Temperatures since the 1998 peak have been up and down, but have NOT increased since that period: they are steady, but cycling up AND DOWN around the same point they were 8 years ago.

61 posted on 03/02/2007 3:15:48 PM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Arrowhead1952

Gore may get doctorate (Univ.Of Minnesota, and Liberalism, CRAZY GORE ALERT )

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1788124/posts

To the guy who invented the internet.


62 posted on 03/02/2007 4:25:14 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: dfwgator

Yeah, it's kind of hard selling *global warming* when people are digging out from a blizzard in -20 degree weather.


63 posted on 03/02/2007 4:27:15 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

thanks, bfl


64 posted on 03/02/2007 5:41:36 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: WBL 1952

GW bump


65 posted on 03/02/2007 5:47:19 PM PST by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
On the REAL chart from NASA for troposphere temperatures (which is what this character has warped for his purposes) the red lines are the max-min points for each year. They are NOT filled in like he has done. They do NOT show a continuous rise since 1980.

Gristmill ("How to talk to skeptic") got the graph shown from the Climate Research Unit, School of Environmental Sciences University of East Anglia:

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/info/warming/

I haven't clicked on all their links, so I don't know where they got their data, and so can't agree or disagree on their having falsified the NASA data.

They do NOT show a "0" point at 1980 - a LOW point in NASA's graph!

What NASA graph?

I think CRU set the "0" point at 1939, not 1980:

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/info/warming/gtc2005.csv

66 posted on 03/02/2007 7:15:33 PM PST by secretagent
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To: WBL 1952
Hints? It pretty much screams it out ot my ears.

67 posted on 03/02/2007 7:19:00 PM PST by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: ancient_geezer

Thanks AG.


68 posted on 03/02/2007 7:21:02 PM PST by secretagent
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To: secretagent

It's not so much that "falsified" NASA data, more that they (deliberately) are presenting it from "zero" points and in a graph format that shows the wrong conclusion. So you see large red lines, but not the declines and drops.

You "see" a huge increase, but the actual increase is LESS THAN 1/2 of one degree. Make sense?


69 posted on 03/02/2007 7:28:30 PM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: WBL 1952
Must be those Sport Utility Vehicles charging over the dunes of Mars.

Bingo! Ali Gorat would agree.

70 posted on 03/02/2007 7:50:51 PM PST by A. Pole (Gore:We are the most powerful force of nature.We are changing the relationship between Earth and Sun)
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To: WBL 1952

Sun causes global warming. Who'd have thunk?


71 posted on 03/02/2007 7:52:19 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: Beowulf

ping


72 posted on 03/02/2007 8:17:02 PM PST by steelyourfaith
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
So you see large red lines, but not the declines and drops.

I see short and tall red lines and blue lines, and thick and thin red and blue lines:

Declines and drops - do you mean the black trend line doesn't decline and dip where it should?

73 posted on 03/02/2007 8:53:34 PM PST by secretagent
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To: LeGrande

PTT


74 posted on 03/02/2007 9:15:20 PM PST by LeGrande (Muslims, Jews and Christians all believe in the same God of Abraham.)
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To: WBL 1952

BTTT


75 posted on 03/03/2007 1:18:28 AM PST by Buzwardo
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To: metmom
Gore may get doctorate (Univ.Of Minnesota, and Liberalism, CRAZY GORE ALERT )

That is too rich. I think Algore has lost the last brain cells he has with his global warming theory.

76 posted on 03/03/2007 4:03:27 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (The dims and Ron Paul screwed our troops.)
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To: secretagent

How this graph looks for the previous ten centuries?


77 posted on 03/03/2007 4:39:06 AM PST by A. Pole (Gore:We are the most powerful force of nature.We are changing the relationship between Earth and Sun)
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To: WBL 1952

George W. Bush owns the Hummer franchise on Mars.


78 posted on 03/03/2007 4:44:22 AM PST by reg45
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79 posted on 03/03/2007 9:19:15 AM PST by DaveLoneRanger (As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free.)
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To: WBL 1952
"Mars, too, appears to be enjoying more mild and balmy temperatures."

Nothing new here. I have been hearing it for over a year, but the Global Warming thought police, keep a lid on it.
It is no wonder that so many people are ignorant about the facts of climate change.
Ask anyone about the MWP, you will get a blank stare.
80 posted on 03/03/2007 9:34:11 AM PST by AlexW
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