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National Mistrust Poisoned Airbus
Spiegel Online ^ | 1 March 2007 | Andreas Nölting

Posted on 03/02/2007 8:06:44 AM PST by lowbuck

Airbus has delayed dealing with its problems for years. Now it is being brutally restructured with factory sell-offs and massive job cuts. How could a supposedly model company like Airbus end up in such a crisis?

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From the very beginning Airbus was a political construct and was at least partly intended to satisfy national egotism. And so two managers -- usually one German and one French -- were always appointed to the decisive posts in the company, as if the business partners mistrusted each other.

(Excerpt) Read more at spiegel.de ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: aerospace; airbus; airbust; boeing; eads; socialism
Follow the link for an excellant opinion piece about the Airbus mess. Another nugget from the article:

"The investment bankers who helped with the negotiations still sigh at the labor pains and skirmishes that went on behind the scenes. A total of 10,000 pages of contracts went back and forth and even the French president interfered vehemently in the negotations."

1 posted on 03/02/2007 8:06:47 AM PST by lowbuck
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To: lowbuck

This is what happens when you try to build a product by committee. It's the Concorde all over again. Socialist bureaucracies are incapable of learning from their mistakes.


2 posted on 03/02/2007 8:13:56 AM PST by Reaganesque
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To: lowbuck

They will never learn. Airbus should be allowed to expire. But that will never happen. The same disfunctional structure will be preserved, to mess things up over and over again.


3 posted on 03/02/2007 8:17:39 AM PST by gridlock (Isn't it peculiar that matter what the problem, the government's solution is always "more taxes".)
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To: lowbuck

This is a totally predictable outcome.


4 posted on 03/02/2007 8:19:31 AM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Veritas. Gravitas. Ohmygas.)
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To: lowbuck
During his time at the helm, the cantankerous and aloof Airbus boss established a mode of reporting that glossed over problems with the motto: What must not happen, cannot happen. In this way serious shortfalls at Airbus were elegantly concealed.

What must not happen, cannot happen...

Now a normal person would read that statement, and conclude that whatever effort or cost is necessary to make sure that what must not happen does not happen must be expended. But a weenie would read that statement and conclude that what must not happen must never be admitted to have happened.

That is the difference between function and disfunction.

5 posted on 03/02/2007 8:26:58 AM PST by gridlock (Isn't it peculiar that matter what the problem, the government's solution is always "more taxes".)
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To: Reaganesque
It's the Concorde all over again

Concorde allowed people to cross the Atlantic in two hours, something that passengers can't do today. Not sure this is your best discussion point.

6 posted on 03/02/2007 8:31:12 AM PST by agere_contra
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To: gridlock

Communists, trying to be capitalists. Can't work, they prefer control to productivity. See how well socialized medicine works? "I'm from the gummint, and I'm here to help you." Oh yeah.


7 posted on 03/02/2007 8:34:12 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: lowbuck
Airbus has delayed dealing with its problems for years.

Well that is what happens when you get the French involved. That was the biggest mistake IADs or whatever they call it made.

I will use the Panama canal as my prime example, they could not even build a ditch filled with water so how can you expect them to be able to build a giant albatross?

8 posted on 03/02/2007 8:44:35 AM PST by Shots (Loose Lips sink ships.........)
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To: agere_contra

Concorde was never profitable. It ended up ferrying only the super-wealthy across the Atlantic and even then it couldn't turn a profit. The British and French governments had to subsidize it just to keep it in the air. That's why when problems cropped up, it went under. It's not an exact analogy, but it does show how inefficient bureaucracies are (especially socialist ones, see also the Trabant) when it comes to competing in the world of profits and losses.


9 posted on 03/02/2007 8:48:28 AM PST by Reaganesque
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To: Reaganesque
"This is what happens when you try to build a product by committee."

It works in the US when the workshare is spread around the states (for political reasons among others) because as a (1) general rule we American's do not hate and distrust the citizens of the several states, (2) the lead company and all the partners must make a profit or go bellyup and (3) if the project goes bust because the marketplace doesn't want your product or you cannot produce it on-time and on-budget then you join the unemployment line.

None of this is true in Old Europe
10 posted on 03/02/2007 8:51:36 AM PST by lowbuck (The Blue Card (US Passport). . . Don't leave home without it!)
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To: agere_contra

From what I have read, the Concorde never made a profit. It was subsidized by their taxpayers to allow the rich to have another toy. This was all done in the name of "national pride".

Airbus may have made a profit in the past (and there are disputes about that), but it it going down the exact same road as the Concorde.

Actually, I think that it is a good example of what is happening.


11 posted on 03/02/2007 8:53:37 AM PST by jim_trent
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To: lowbuck

Perhaps I should have said: A committee of English and French bureaucrats (or a UN committee). They don't exactly have a good track record of working together. There are always exceptions, but it does seem to be the rule.


12 posted on 03/02/2007 8:55:51 AM PST by Reaganesque
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To: lowbuck

And somehow they expect the EU to work.


13 posted on 03/02/2007 9:31:53 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Prevent Glo-Ball Warming ... turn out the sun when not in use)
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To: gridlock

And the thing they can't see is that Boeing's market share will grow larger than it ever could of if it had been faced with a couple of nimble German private companies, a couple of nimble French private companies, etc. Instead they go for the state-owned solution and get shellacked over the long haul.


14 posted on 03/02/2007 6:17:08 PM PST by Mr. Silverback ("Logic" is as meaningless to a liberal as "desert" is to a fish.--Freeper IronJack)
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To: agere_contra
Concorde allowed passengers to cross the Atlantic in two hours, at an exorbitant cost even after socialist governments subsidized the operating airlines.

Sometimes a machine can be a kludge even if it works well. The Concorde was like a Ferrari...if gas cost $25 an hour and the government took money from your neighbors to help you pay at the pump.

15 posted on 03/02/2007 6:20:08 PM PST by Mr. Silverback ("Logic" is as meaningless to a liberal as "desert" is to a fish.--Freeper IronJack)
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