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Reading Hillary Rodham's hidden thesis(Freerepublic Mentioned)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17388372/ ^

Posted on 03/02/2007 4:11:55 PM PST by be4everfree

Despite the fervent interest in the thesis, few realize that it is no longer kept under lock and key. As MSNBC.com found, it is available to anyone who visits the archive room of the prestigious women’s college outside Boston. With Clinton’s opponents in the 2008 presidential race looking for the next “Swift Boat” attack ad, and the senator herself trying to cast off her liberal image, Clinton's 92-page thesis is certain to be read and reread by opposition researchers and reporters visiting the campus. But can an academic paper from nearly 40 years ago really unlock the politics and character of any former student, much less the early Democratic front-runner for the White House? This is your chance to decide before the political spin machines get their hands on it. snip.. Just last month, an anonymous commentator lamented on the conservative Web site Free Republic, "She's a Marxist. Saul Alinsky's student. I sure wish we could unearth that sealed thesis of hers that she wrote at Wellesley."

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1 posted on 03/02/2007 4:11:56 PM PST by be4everfree
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To: be4everfree

Sorry if this is a dupe...I did a search.


2 posted on 03/02/2007 4:13:50 PM PST by be4everfree (Liberals are "Thick as a Brick" ......JT)
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To: onyx; be4everfree
You're famous!
3 posted on 03/02/2007 4:14:42 PM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: be4everfree
Reading Hillary Rodham's hidden thesis

Reading Hillary Rodham's hidden thesis

4 posted on 03/02/2007 4:19:44 PM PST by BlessedBeGod (Benedict XVI = Terminator IV)
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To: martin_fierro



LOL! Yes, I am "anonymously" famous.


Good thing, huh? I'd hate to be audited or winde up dead in Ft. Marcy Park....lol.


5 posted on 03/02/2007 4:23:32 PM PST by onyx (DEFEAT Hillary Clinton, Marxist, student of Saul Alinsky & ally and beneficiary of Soros.)
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To: be4everfree

I have to admit; Alinsky offers food for thought:

"Saul Alinsky's rules of power tactics, excerpted from his 1971 book "Rules for Radicals: A Practical Primer for Realistic Radicals"

1. Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have.

2. Never go outside the experience of your people.

3. Whenever possible go outside the experience of the enemy.

4. Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules.

5. Ridicule is man's most potent weapon.

6. A good tactic is one that your people enjoy.

7. A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.

8. Keep the pressure on.

9. The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.

10. Maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition.

11. If you push a negative hard and deep enough it will break through into its counterside.

12. The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.

13. Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it."


6 posted on 03/02/2007 4:23:48 PM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: be4everfree

That Hillary Clinton is a Stalinist should come as no surprise to anyone. What we as the voting public do with that knowledge will be quite revealing, indeed.


7 posted on 03/02/2007 4:26:05 PM PST by Continental Soldier
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To: onyx

We've been clamoring for this for a lonnnnnng time.

Great to see it more available. Thanks tons for your important part.


8 posted on 03/02/2007 4:30:49 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; GOD ALONE PAID THE PRICE; GOD ALONE IS ABLE; LOVE GOD WHOLLY)
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To: Chi-townChief
5. Ridicule is man's most potent weapon.

Tactic #5 is one conservatives should use more often.

It is my belief that most liberals are deeply insecure and are projecting their fears. They operate at a high level of uncertainty regarding most issues and their default position generally involves imposing their uncertainties on others.
9 posted on 03/02/2007 4:32:42 PM PST by be4everfree (Liberals are "Thick as a Brick" ......JT)
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To: Quix



It's sort of flattering......lol. We really do need to see her thesis --- she's living it but people don't realize what a Maxist she truly is. I cannot begin to fathom her Commander in Chief.


10 posted on 03/02/2007 4:33:51 PM PST by onyx (DEFEAT Hillary Clinton, Marxist, student of Saul Alinsky & ally and beneficiary of Soros.)
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To: Chi-townChief

You can see that some of the democrat's most annoying tactics come straight from Alinsky. They are annoying because they are disingenuous, they are drawn from the philosophy that the ends are everything and anything that facilitates advancement toward the goal is good.

Hillary can be beat like an omelet using nothing more than her nationalized health care debacle.


11 posted on 03/02/2007 4:35:16 PM PST by concentric circles
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To: be4everfree

And this suddenly unsealed out-in-the-open `Hillary's college thesis' is the real McCoy, eh?

Genuine, unedited, and undoctored?

I remain skeptical.


12 posted on 03/02/2007 4:41:53 PM PST by elcid1970
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To: be4everfree

Most people are proud of their doctoral dissertations & master's theses. What's Hillary's problem?


13 posted on 03/02/2007 4:45:58 PM PST by 4Liberty (Forced charity = theft)
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To: be4everfree

Chances are it's an assinine work of third grade level whining. Like all of them, she is fluff... self battered and mutilated mental fluff like all selfloathing liberals.


14 posted on 03/02/2007 4:53:46 PM PST by JudgemAll (Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
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To: Chi-townChief

This is not Alynski's work, this is military guerrilla tactic fed by the Soviet Union through the like of Alynski.


15 posted on 03/02/2007 4:55:38 PM PST by JudgemAll (Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
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To: onyx

Well, you should atleast put the "black bar" over your eyes on your picture from your homepage. You know how "safe" those make you. ;o)

And an "anonymous" congratulations are in order.


16 posted on 03/02/2007 5:13:14 PM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (When Can We expect a Movie about Milli Vanilli?)
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To: 4Liberty

Bill Clinton would have never won if we had been able to read it.


17 posted on 03/02/2007 5:13:35 PM PST by freekitty
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To: Chi-townChief
5. Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. ...


Hey! Stop that!

18 posted on 03/02/2007 5:17:18 PM PST by SquirrelKing ("When a coin in the carbon pot rings, out of global warmin hell a soul does spring." - Timothy Ball)
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To: be4everfree

What I take away from this is that Hillary is partial to charming, charismatic men.


19 posted on 03/02/2007 5:19:14 PM PST by edweena
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To: All
The media's employee describes Alinsky's "exceptional charm and witty provocations." Alinsky boasted about the "f*rt-in" idea of his.

Wow, we were charming and witty back in grade school. I didn't realize that. Wow.

"It's a moronic statement," said Hillary Rodham's thesis adviser, Alan Schechter responding to those who say that a college research paper can reveal a candidate's politics or character.

That depends. If the subject is a conservative candidate for a federal judgeship then anything is fair game -- it's good to see that Chris Lacivita on our side has and will do unto the Rats as they do unto conservative federal judge nominees.

20 posted on 03/02/2007 5:27:18 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: onyx

I will protect you.


21 posted on 03/02/2007 5:33:21 PM PST by GitmoSailor (Cold War Veteran===Beware of the IDs of Marx=Fairness Doctrine,3rd party,Slow Bleed+Hillary.)
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To: GitmoSailor

Ah, you charmer you! My hero!!!!


22 posted on 03/02/2007 5:35:18 PM PST by onyx (DEFEAT Hillary Clinton, Marxist, student of Saul Alinsky & ally and beneficiary of Soros.)
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To: be4everfree

Welsley is driving distance, but their library is open only during the week.


23 posted on 03/02/2007 5:37:21 PM PST by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty: The Pendleton 8...down to 3..GWB, we hardly knew ye...)
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To: be4everfree

Remember when The New York Times tried to penetrate the cloak of confidentiality around the adoption records of a certain Supreme Court justice?


24 posted on 03/02/2007 5:37:59 PM PST by Steely Tom
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To: onyx

Marcy Park, look out! LOL


25 posted on 03/02/2007 5:40:22 PM PST by jaycee (Just looking for a tagline)
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To: jaycee

LOL --- IRS audit --- watch out. Yikes. :0)


26 posted on 03/02/2007 5:42:17 PM PST by onyx (DEFEAT Hillary Clinton, Marxist, student of Saul Alinsky & ally and beneficiary of Soros.)
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To: concentric circles

"Hillary can be beat like an omelet using nothing more than her nationalized health care debacle."

YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD HERE!!


27 posted on 03/02/2007 5:44:57 PM PST by jaycee (Just looking for a tagline)
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To: elcid1970
I remain skeptical.

I also remain quite skeptical.

Why would Hillary's senior thesis be locked away in the first place, and then, why would it be eased into public availability?

I suspect most strongly that some America-hating and subversive text may have been replaced or simply omitted.

I wonder if the archived original would stand up to forensic scrutiny.

If Wellesley were to refuse a request for a forensic analysis for authentication, or if the original turns up somehow "missing", I would not be surprized.

.

28 posted on 03/02/2007 5:55:32 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: Seaplaner

"some America-hating or subversive text may have been replaced out or simply omitted."

Times-Roman IBM Selectric superscript, anyone?

Hey, it almost worked for Dan Rather!


29 posted on 03/02/2007 6:02:25 PM PST by elcid1970
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To: jaycee

The MSNBC piece seems like nothing but a PR campaign for Hillary. Something that someone paid a lot of money for. She'll be beat bad. I almost feel sorry for her. She's like a used up, has been, already.


30 posted on 03/02/2007 6:04:27 PM PST by mgist
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To: JudgemAll

I fully agree with your posts #14 & 15. Hillary at 22 must have been a real treat - a whiney leftist moron without a resume.


31 posted on 03/02/2007 6:22:21 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth (a.k.a. What a jackass!)
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To: Chi-townChief

Every Conservative should memorize these rules. Noise promotes, silence is agreement.


32 posted on 03/02/2007 6:40:49 PM PST by Little Bill (Welcome to the Newly Socialist State of New Hampshire)
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To: onyx
I'd hate to be audited or winde up dead in Ft. Marcy Park....lol.

Don't worry, we'll make sure that you get a prompt burial, unlike the Godfather of Soul and Ms. Smith. And think about it, you'll go into the history books. See any problems?

33 posted on 03/02/2007 7:07:49 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: onyx

Yes, HARXIST as CINC

would only be worsened by her gleefully handing it over to the literal AntiChrist, himself.


34 posted on 03/02/2007 7:32:41 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; GOD ALONE PAID THE PRICE; GOD ALONE IS ABLE; LOVE GOD WHOLLY)
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To: mgist
She'll be beat bad. I almost feel sorry for her. She's like a used up, has been, already.

Mgist, my FRiend, I wish I shared your optimism that Hillary will be so easily defeated.

Consider a few things in her favor...

1. Media (entertainment (T.V., News, Radio, Music). They will promote Hillary and ridicule the Republican at every turn. You will be literally sickened at all of the poor victims with no health care stories. Consider that they will attempt surely something clever new to convince mid-continent and west-coast "red state" voters that all is lost on election eve, and there is no need for GOPers to go to the polls.

2. Schools (teachers giving oblique voting instructions to students and parents). It's bigger than one might think.

3. Labor Unions driving voters to multiple precincts, assisting illegal and even dead people in registration and voting.

4 And of course, the demographics. Dick Morris (oddly enough) has it exactly right when he says that Hillary will have an especially large lock on the female vote.

5. Hillary will most likely clandestinely sponsor a third party "spoiler" candidate to split the GOP vote. Whomever she chooses, it will seem as if it was a spontaneous independent candidacy, and that she had nothing to do with it. (I believe that John Sidney McCain will run as Hillary's third party spoiler out of spite that we did not nominate him.)

Does this mean that she will win?

Only if we allow ourselves to become either over confident, or if we loose hope and give up. It will take much work to defeat Hillary. We will all need to coalesce around the GOP candidate (even though he or she might not be our choice in the primaries).

Anything less than a maximum effort, and we will have our first Marxist president, and private property will be next politically incorrectness.

35 posted on 03/02/2007 8:20:47 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: elcid1970; onyx; potlatch

Here's Barbara Olson's take on Hillary's thesis, a copy of which was in her possession.
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a38835fe34c9e.htm


36 posted on 03/02/2007 11:09:50 PM PST by ntnychik
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To: ntnychik; devolve

I haven't read all the articles or your link, which I've seen before, but what I heard today was that she originally didn't believe in 'big government'.

That her thesis views were anti to Dem agenda! Think I've got that right.


37 posted on 03/02/2007 11:24:28 PM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: potlatch

 THE  WAY  WE  WERE 




38 posted on 03/02/2007 11:56:31 PM PST by devolve ( ........upload images free & fast at tinypic.com or Photobucket or Imagecave)
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To: devolve

Wonderful post. You sure found one ugly picture of her, lol.

I've said before that she improved with age [ and probably a lot of help] lol.


39 posted on 03/03/2007 12:06:06 AM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: potlatch


A little history to go with this thread topic

Note little changed of her deliberate appearance there from then until late 80s

Then she reluctantly changed her appearance and her last name: "Do anything for power!"

But before Saul Alinsky she looked different





40 posted on 03/03/2007 12:15:02 AM PST by devolve ( ........upload images free & fast at tinypic.com or Photobucket or Imagecave)
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To: be4everfree; devolve; Mia T; potlatch; PhilDragoo; onyx; Chi-townChief; Continental Soldier; ...

Here's the link to the article.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17388372/
Go to the end of page 3 for the money quote:

"A decade later, another political science major started out on the path that Hillary Rodham had rejected, going to work for a group in the Alinsky mold. That was Barack Obama, now a U.S. senator from Illinois and her leading opponent for the Democratic nomination. After attending Columbia University, he worked as an organizer on the South Side of Chicago for the Developing Communities Project. Obama and others of the post-Alinsky generation described their work in the 1990 book “After Alinsky: Community Organizing in Illinois,” in which Obama wrote that he longed for ways to close the gap between community organizing and national politics. After three years of organizing, he turned to Harvard Law School and then the Illinois legislature."

There are also some Swift Boat references.

This is Clinton-style innoculation, pure and simple.


41 posted on 03/03/2007 9:52:39 AM PST by ntnychik
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To: devolve

Wish we could put on every billboard in the nation.

With radio overriding transmissions for the surrounding 200 feet.


42 posted on 03/03/2007 10:11:33 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; GOD ALONE PAID THE PRICE; GOD ALONE IS ABLE; LOVE GOD WHOLLY)
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To: ntnychik

I agree entirely.

And so many sheeple are clueless.


43 posted on 03/03/2007 10:12:53 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; GOD ALONE PAID THE PRICE; GOD ALONE IS ABLE; LOVE GOD WHOLLY)
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To: potlatch; ntnychik; PhilDragoo; MeekOneGOP; Quix; Alamo-Girl; Seadog Bytes



44 posted on 03/03/2007 12:34:59 PM PST by devolve ( ........upload images free & fast at tinypic.com or Photobucket or Imagecave)
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To: devolve; Quix

Wonderful post devolve. Quix echoed my statement to you about what a wonderful 'animated' billboard your Hillary graphic would be!


45 posted on 03/03/2007 12:48:45 PM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: potlatch; Mia T; Alamo-Girl; All

I wonder . . . could we interest enough Hollyweed conservatives--rare enough critters--and enough moneyed people . . .

We hereon could certainly script it . . .

HARXIST'S HIZTORY AND RISE TO POWER . . . a kind of cross between ANIMAL FARM and the celebrations of Stalin's coronation sort of thing . . . then push it past in 4 month jumps about 2-4 year's worth into her tyrannical rule morphing into the AntiChrist's global government and her being amongst the first marched to the guillotine.


46 posted on 03/03/2007 1:04:23 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; GOD ALONE PAID THE PRICE; GOD ALONE IS ABLE; LOVE GOD WHOLLY)
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To: Quix; devolve

Guess All would have caught you but in case,

PING.


47 posted on 03/03/2007 1:05:49 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; GOD ALONE PAID THE PRICE; GOD ALONE IS ABLE; LOVE GOD WHOLLY)
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To: devolve; potlatch


Bill & Hillary
New Haven, CT, 1970


48 posted on 03/03/2007 1:06:28 PM PST by Lady Jag (A positive attitude will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.)
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To: devolve; Lady Jag; Quix; ntnychik; PhilDragoo
Aww, aren't they cute?


49 posted on 03/03/2007 1:16:23 PM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: ntnychik
Here is what Barbara Olsen in Hell To Pay said about the thesis when she read her copy of the original:

“But nowhere in her thesis — or in her later life — does she seem to recognize the classical liberal critique that the relentless pursuit of power is antithetical to democracy.“

But the journalist, Dedman, states an opposite conclusion, a more favorable, foresighted Hillary, even quoting from the exhibited document, hinting perhaps that this exhibited document is a rewrite which weaves solutions to critiques into a rewrite (and that’s why it is longer than the original 75 pages) in order to make the Rodham rodent more attractive and brilliant in foresight … when in actuality hindsight and strategic rewrite addressing decades of critique aims to create a new image for Hillary. But for all the creative lies and fabrications and substitutions, she remains the power crazed socialist she was in 1969.

From Dedman’s article:

In the end, she judged that Alinsky's “power/conflict model is rendered inapplicable by existing social conflicts” — overriding national issues such as racial tension and segregation. Alinsky had no success in forming an effective national movement, she said, referring dismissively to “the anachronistic nature of small autonomous conflict.” … Putting Alinsky's Rochester symphony threat (the fart-in) into academic language, Rodham found that the conflict approach to power is limited. “Alinsky's conclusion that the ‘ventilation’ of hostilities is healthy in certain situations is valid, but across-the-board ‘social catharsis’ cannot be prescribed,” she wrote.

Dedman goes on to write of this miraculous exhibit:

“In spite of his being featured in the Sunday New York Times," she wrote of Alinsky, "and living a comfortable, expenses-paid life, he considers himself a revolutionary. In a very important way he is. If the ideals Alinsky espouses were actualized, the result would be social revolution. Ironically, this is not a disjunctive projection if considered in the tradition of Western democratic theory. In the first chapter it was pointed out that Alinsky is regarded by many as the proponent of a dangerous socio/political philosophy. As such, he has been feared — just as Eugene Debs or Walt Whitman or Martin Luther King has been feared, because each embraced the most radical of political faiths — democracy.”

Folks, this sanitized, updated, transformed, then exhibited Thesis doesn’t sound at all like the same Thesis Barbara Olsen read for her writing of Hell To Pay. I do extensive research for writing books. I understand the process of digging and assimilating, then synthesis and exposition. I trust our precious BKO to have synthesized the truth of Hillary Rodent-rodham over this Clinton servant posting at MSNBC.

Does the following Dedman opine sound like honesty, or sycophancy? …

That doesn't mean, said the professor of political science (Alan H. Schschter of Wellesley College), that we won't see an Alinsky-Clinton attack ad. One can envision black-and-white photos of Hillary Clinton and Saul Alinsky, wearing remarkably similar Coke-bottle glasses, while the words scroll by: "radical ... socialist? ... exceptional charm ... sealed in the archives." … But at its heart, her mentor (Schechter) says, the Alinsky-socialist-Rodham connection is a falsehood. "My conclusion, she was already thinking in terms of practical politics, what works, what doesn't, more than on ideology," Schechter said. "She wouldn't have paid any attention to whether Alinsky was a Marxist.”

50 posted on 03/03/2007 1:22:18 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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