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Expert in Russian poisoning case is shot
NBC News ^ | March 2 2007 | Pete Williams

Posted on 03/02/2007 5:25:46 PM PST by jmc1969

Edited on 03/02/2007 6:14:16 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: jmc1969
"In an odd twist, another person who appeared on the "Dateline" broadcast died of a heart attack last month. Reporter Daniel McGrory of the Times of London, who has written about the Litvinenko case, died Feb. 20, before the "Dateline" segment was broadcast. He was 54.

His family said he "died suddenly at home." He was a veteran British foreign correspondent who had reported from several war zones."

Speaking any ill of the Putin regime publicly seems to have gotten to be hazardous to ones personal health. So in the interest of healthy living, let me just state for the record right here (in case the KGB is monitoring FR), I think Puty-put is a really really kewl dude!

51 posted on 03/03/2007 6:38:30 PM PST by Babu
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To: NorCalRepub

Or some other party, which was the real one responsible for Litvinenko's death, saw a good opportunity to strengthen the framing of Putin.

Not saying that's the case, but it's perfectly plausible. There are some very sophisticated cloak-and-dagger evildoers at work here, and it would be naive to assume that things actually are as they are being made to appear.


52 posted on 03/03/2007 7:04:03 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: digger48

Hillery the Horrible.


53 posted on 03/03/2007 7:18:35 PM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: jmc1969
Iranian energy map
54 posted on 03/03/2007 11:45:31 PM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
There are some very sophisticated cloak-and-dagger evildoers at work here, and it would be naive to assume that things actually are as they are being made to appear.

Meaning what?

55 posted on 03/03/2007 11:45:49 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: jmc1969

I do not know what to believe.
On the one hand, the first thought you get is that Putin killed Politkovskaya and Litvinenko because they opposed him. But then you think - that it is so obvious who wants them dead is the reason why he could not have done it. Too self-discrediting.
So it might have been done by those who want to discredit Putin. But by who? Could the British and Americans come down to this? It is not likely because if that were true opponents of Bush or Blaire within their own countries would get assassinated every day.
The Chechens? Oh, they technically could have killed Politkovskaya. But that would mean killing someone who is one of the biggest protectors of their people's rights.
And they technically could not have killed someone in the UK or US.
That leaves dissidents like Berezovsky. But what makes them in apposition to the Kremlin - their non-approval of his authoritarian anti-democratic policies - makes me think they would not use their enemy's methods.

So the most likely option is that guys at the Kremlin are simply stupid and do not realize that killing someone in the West will not shut everyone's mouth but quite the contrary - will outrage the West and bring more attention and action to the situation in Russia.


56 posted on 03/04/2007 4:02:30 AM PST by Grazhdanin
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To: jmc1969

DC is a death trap area, but c'mon..


57 posted on 03/04/2007 4:04:40 AM PST by Tolsti
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To: padre35
During the Stalin's "consolidation", the Kemlin's FIS would kill people like Trotsky in Mexico, but not the US.

Tell it to Walter Krivitsky.

The Bellevue Hotel where Krivitsky was killed is now the Hotel George. This is, from my perspective, a loss. The Bellevue was a perfectly serviceable old railroad hotel a couple of blocks from Union Station. It was cheap enough to recommend to visiting friends and the location couldn't be beaten. I have smoked many a cigar there. The Hotel George is much nicer, completely rehabbed, and quite expensive. I hate sending out of town friends to the burbs but the downtown hotels are pushing me that way. The price of progress.

Anyhow, I happened to be in the Hotel George a few years back, ostensibly to check out their well-reviewed restaurant but mainly to compare it to the old Bellevue. The George was doing a marketing shtick related to the Spy Museum, which is nearby. Naturally, I asked at the desk whether they were doing anything with the Krivitsky case. I got blank stares from the three desk attendants, one of them the manager, present at the time. And so does history fall through the memory hole.

If I were running the Hotel George, I'd have the Krivitsky room restored to it's 1940's appearance, have a lobby display about Soviet espionage and KGB killers haunting Washington, get the Spy Museum to refer tourists back my way, and get in on the active D.C. history walking tour business, as well as the ghost tours around Halloween. Maybe I should become a marketing director.

58 posted on 03/04/2007 4:49:45 AM PST by sphinx
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To: jmc1969

Why isn't this front page news? MSM doesn't want to be "judgemental" about the Russians? Socialists sticking together?


59 posted on 03/04/2007 9:38:20 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1794983/posts


60 posted on 03/04/2007 9:40:32 AM PST by Sue Perkick (...what I was born to do, don't have to think it through.....)
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To: jmc1969
I think you are all looking at this wrong. The Russians didn't wack the guy. Dateline did. It turns out he was an Italian plumber from Jersey and not an expert on poisons.

Well...just a thought.
61 posted on 03/04/2007 9:41:45 AM PST by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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To: NorCalRepub; digger48
damn.....now I'll have to stick needles in my eyes

What eyes? Mine immediately burned to nothing!

And where did she get that necklace - Woolworth's?

62 posted on 03/04/2007 9:46:04 AM PST by Lijahsbubbe
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To: Yaelle

Drudge is part of the MSM now. He gets 14 million hits a day and cannot be stopped.


63 posted on 03/04/2007 9:56:25 AM PST by Sawdring
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To: dr_lew

I thought I explained that already.

If a person speaks out very publicly, saying "Putin's guys did it", and you want the public to believe that, because you or your guys actually did it with the objective of making people believe Putin was responsible, what better way to reinforce the widespread conviction that "Putin's guys did it" than by promptly offing the guy who said publicly "Putin's guys did it"? Remember, Litvinenko had also very publicly said Putin's guys were trying to kill him -- next thing you know, he's dead.

I have more than a little trouble believing that Putin and his operatives are stupid enough to repeatedly make themselves look like vicious political assassins by offing prominent people very shortly after they've spoken out publicly to accuse Putin & Co. of being vicious political assassins. I think there's a better than even chance that Putin's guys did NOT do either killing, and that the responsible parties' chief objective is to destabilize Putin's regime for their own gain, by making the world believe he's a ruthless power-gripper who has a worldwide network of operatives who can get away with offing high profile people who credibly speak out against him.

The total effect of these incidents and the public perception of them is to WEAKEN Putin's power in the international political community. I have to wonder why Putin and his guys would want to do that. And I don't really believe that they're such a bunch of bumblers that they are accomplishing that result unintentionally, especially since there is now a pattern of repeating the same power-weakening procedure in an almost identical manner to the previous round.


64 posted on 03/04/2007 9:59:58 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Grazhdanin

Maybe. But I'm having trouble with the concept that Putin and his operatives are that stupid.

There is of course, a third possibility, and that is that Putin & Co. ARE responsible, and are deliberately going about this in a way that, if the pattern continues, will convince the world that some powerful and vicious anti-Putin operatives are trying to frame him.

And a fourth: that parties who Putin believes are loyal to him, but actually are not, are doing this to convince Putin himself that he has very powerful enemies who are successfully framing him to undermine his power. This would make Putin more susceptible to being manipulated by underlings with ulterior motives, into doing things that he previously declined their advice to do. "See, we told you so."


65 posted on 03/04/2007 10:12:20 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker
What utter horsefeathers. Putin is transparently ordering the assassination of anybody he pleases in broad daylight, and idiot shills like you are making up excuses for him.
66 posted on 03/04/2007 11:08:51 AM PST by JasonC
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To: GovernmentShrinker

I insist on my simple theory that Putin is stupid and/or crazy.
Do not gas-wars with Russia's neighbours, especially Ukraine after the Orange revolution, bring Putin only ill fame and therefore weaken his influence?
Did the demolition of YUKOS do any good to Putin's international reputation or, more important, to Russia's economy's reputation, with the collapse of the stock market and the capital outflow?
Do the latest reforms in the russian government, slowly eating away the remains of democracy, help his international image?

He either doesn't realize or doesn't care.
Did Stalin or Hitler care much about how they looked to the rest of the world?
Of course this is because they both were perfectly sure they'd eventually seize the world anyway so why care about image. But who can guarantee Putin is not that sick? It seem to me he's quite unpredictable.


67 posted on 03/04/2007 11:19:22 AM PST by Grazhdanin
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To: Yaelle
Why isn't this front page news? MSM doesn't want to be "judgemental" about the Russians? Socialists sticking together?

If this has been 20 years ago, it would have been all over the front pages of the major newspapers.
68 posted on 03/04/2007 11:46:14 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: Babu
>Speaking any ill of the Putin regime publicly seems to have gotten to be hazardous

All the folks dying
are either reporters or
"experts" who use their

"professional" roles
to play political games.
I'm kind of happy

both kinds of people
are finding out politics
has consequences.

69 posted on 03/04/2007 11:52:33 AM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: padre35
This is surprising, even during the Cold War shooting people on the streets of DC was the stuff of John Lecarre' books.

Mostly true

70 posted on 03/04/2007 11:57:26 AM PST by wideminded
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To: jmc1969
Expert in Russian poisoning case is shot

Most people in this thread are assuming this man died. According to the article he is in the hospital.

71 posted on 03/04/2007 12:01:08 PM PST by wideminded
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