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Cherokee Nation To Vote on Expelling Slaves' Descendants
The Washington Post ^ | Saturday, March 3, 2007 | Ellen Knickmeyer

Posted on 03/03/2007 9:06:01 AM PST by rabidralph

VINITA, Okla. -- J.D. Baldridge, 73, has official government documents showing him to be a descendant of a full-blood Cherokee. He has memories of a youth spent among Cherokee neighbors and kin, at tribal stomp dances and hog fries. He holds on to a fair amount of Cherokee vocabulary. " Salali," Baldridge says, his face creasing into a smile at the word. "Squirrel stew. Oh, that was good."

What Baldridge, a retired Oklahoma county sheriff, also has is at least one black ancestor, a former slave of a Cherokee family. That could get Baldridge cast out of the tribe, along with thousands of others.

The 250,000-member Cherokee Nation will vote in a special election today whether to override a 141-year-old treaty and change the tribal constitution to bar "freedmen," the descendants of former tribal slaves, from being members of the sovereign nation.

"It's a basic, inherent right to determine our own citizenry. We paid very dearly for those rights," Cherokee Principal Chief Chad Smith said in an interview last month in Oklahoma City.

But the Cherokee freedmen see the vote as less about self-determination than about discrimination and historical blinders. They see in the referendum hints of racism and a desire by some Cherokees to deny the tribe's slave-owning past.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: black; cherokee; followthemoney; freedmen; indians; nativeamericans; slaves
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Very interesting factors in this story. Here's another snip, regarding possible reasons for expelling the black indians

SNIP...Advocates of expelling the freedmen call it a matter of safeguarding tribal resources, which include a $350 million annual budget from federal and tribal revenue, and Cherokees' share of a gambling industry that, for U.S. tribes overall, takes in $22 billion a year. The grass-roots campaign for expulsion has given heavy play to warnings that keeping freedmen in the Cherokee Nation could encourage thousands more to sign up for a slice of the tribal pie.

"Don't get taken advantage of by these people. They will suck you dry," Darren Buzzard, an advocate of expelling the freedmen, wrote last summer in a widely circulated e-mail denounced by freedmen. "Don't let black freedmen back you into a corner. PROTECT CHEROKEE CULTURE FOR OUR CHILDREN. FOR OUR DAUGHTER[S] . . . FIGHT AGAINST THE INFILTRATION."

End of SNIP

Read the rest of the story here

1 posted on 03/03/2007 9:06:04 AM PST by rabidralph
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To: marsapan

Cherokee Nation huh?!! heehee


2 posted on 03/03/2007 9:07:34 AM PST by Shimmer128 (Molon labe)
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To: rabidralph
Yes - the indians had slaves and were slave owners and slave traders. Some they bought and some they captured. The slaves were black, white and other indians.

And now they want to kick out the descendants for not being "indian enough"

This should be fun to watch. Which PC group will give in first...
3 posted on 03/03/2007 9:09:42 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: rabidralph
It's a basic, inherent right to determine our own citizenry.

Does that apply to Americans, too?
4 posted on 03/03/2007 9:11:20 AM PST by frankenMonkey (Are there any men left in Washington, or are they all cowards?)
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To: Shimmer128

Chad Smith?

Chief Chad Smith?


5 posted on 03/03/2007 9:12:03 AM PST by michaelt
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To: rabidralph

"It's a basic, inherent right to determine our own citizenry. "
It would be nice if the USA would adopt that principle, and start expelling people whose ideology includes killing us.


6 posted on 03/03/2007 9:12:19 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: 2banana

I had no idea about all this. I'd really like to know what they do with the $22B and the all our tax money, while Indians are dirt poor and have so many social problems.


7 posted on 03/03/2007 9:12:40 AM PST by rabidralph
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged

Yes, it's funny that all other nations are proud to be pure but only America is concerned with multiculturalism.


8 posted on 03/03/2007 9:15:33 AM PST by rabidralph
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To: rabidralph

Nice, I guess that this is the way of increasing their profit share huh?


9 posted on 03/03/2007 9:15:55 AM PST by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked)
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To: 2banana

Agreed! Lefties will go into full meltdown mode over this, wondering who to support. Pass the popcorn.....;)


10 posted on 03/03/2007 9:18:28 AM PST by Frank_2001
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To: rabidralph

I know where Jesse Jackson will fall, but what about Ward Churchill?


11 posted on 03/03/2007 9:20:40 AM PST by aft_lizard (born conservative...I chose to be a republican)
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To: 2banana
Yes - the indians had slaves and were slave owners and slave traders. Some they bought and some they captured. The slaves were black, white and other indians.

Yup... gonna' be a lot of lib hand-wringing and brow-furrowing goin' on over this.

12 posted on 03/03/2007 9:22:28 AM PST by johnny7 ("We took a hell of a beating." -'Vinegar Joe' Stilwell)
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To: aft_lizard

"I know where Jesse Jackson will fall, but what about Ward Churchill?"

***
What about the ghost of Will Rogers?


13 posted on 03/03/2007 9:26:22 AM PST by kiriath_jearim
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To: rabidralph
Don't get taken advantage of by these people. They will suck you dry," Darren Buzzard, an advocate of expelling the freedmen, wrote last summer in a widely circulated e-mail denounced by freedmen. "Don't let black freedmen back you into a corner. PROTECT CHEROKEE CULTURE FOR OUR CHILDREN. FOR OUR DAUGHTER[S] . . . FIGHT AGAINST THE INFILTRATION."

Sounds like they're taking lessons from Mr Farrakhan and La Raza.

14 posted on 03/03/2007 9:29:51 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (ĦEl proletariado del mundo, une! - Xuygo Chavez)
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To: Frank_2001
You all should read the comments on the Post's site, regarding this story.
15 posted on 03/03/2007 9:33:36 AM PST by rabidralph
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To: rabidralph

Follow the money...


16 posted on 03/03/2007 9:38:23 AM PST by BlessedBeGod (Benedict XVI = Terminator IV)
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To: 2banana

Just so you know the whole story, many many Indians were slaves also to white men and Mexican families. I have documentation to this but of course all of you already know it but just don't mention it.


17 posted on 03/03/2007 9:45:20 AM PST by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: rabidralph

I say, Son, there's too much infiltratin' goin' on round 'chere!


18 posted on 03/03/2007 9:49:41 AM PST by Wally_Kalbacken (Seldom right but never in doubt)
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To: rabidralph

Some of those people are... freaks. They even got in the Bush-Bash.


19 posted on 03/03/2007 9:50:12 AM PST by Jaded ("I have a mustard- seed; and I am not afraid to use it."- Joseph Ratzinger)
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To: Frank_2001

Lefties will just bury the story and refuse to didcuss it


20 posted on 03/03/2007 9:55:29 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (Never try to teach a pig to sing -- it wastes your time and it annoys the pig)
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To: rabidralph

Where I grew up, in northwestern NC, nearly all people, black or white, had documented or legendary Cherokee ancestry. It's a shame that it sounds so much like old-school segregationist talk, but I suspect there's an attempted money-grab going on behind the scenes. They're within their rights to determine who belongs to their tribe and nation, regardless of how it sounds to us, or what we think, imho.


21 posted on 03/03/2007 9:59:51 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: fish hawk

"Just so you know the whole story, many many Indians were slaves also to white men and Mexican families. I have documentation to this but of course all of you already know it but just don't mention it."

Bondage was legal and largely accepted, in most of the world, prior to the early 1800's. We fought a lethal, bloody war, that left half the country at that time in shreds, with the ultimate end result being the end of legal human bondage in this country, regardless of the precise whys and hows at the start of the war. However, it's still legal and practiced in fairly large areas of the planet to this day. In North America, whites enslaved blacks and Indians, Indians enslaved blacks and whites, blacks enslaved blacks and Indians. I can't speak to Mexicans, because I am not as familiar with the history of the southwest, but they are human, too, so I'm sure they practiced slavery, just as everybody else did. It happened. Sanitizing history doesn't do anybody any good, in the long run.


22 posted on 03/03/2007 10:29:37 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: 2banana
Lots of the time, Indian's called themselves black on the census, because they were the hated ones in Oklahoma.
23 posted on 03/03/2007 10:32:29 AM PST by Coldwater Creek
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To: RegulatorCountry
I can't speak to Mexicans, because I am not as familiar with the history of the southwest, but they are human, too, so I'm sure they practiced slavery, just as everybody else did. It happened. Sanitizing history doesn't do anybody any good, in the long run.

The Brazilians had black and Indian slaves, too. In Sao Paolo there's a statue commemorating the settlers who opened the Brazilian "West." Some of the figures are clearly Black or Indian. I was surprised that they were so open about the history of their country.

24 posted on 03/03/2007 10:43:51 AM PST by JoeFromSidney
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To: JoeFromSidney
The Brazilians had black and Indian slaves, too. In Sao Paolo there's a statue commemorating the settlers who opened the Brazilian "West." Some of the figures are clearly Black or Indian. I was surprised that they were so open about the history of their country.

Brazil didn't abolish slavery until sometime in the 1880's

25 posted on 03/03/2007 10:56:08 AM PST by fso301
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To: rabidralph

I'm part Cherokee, although through marriage and not slavery. I had been under the impression that one need only have a certain percentage of heritage to be considered a tribal member...this seems to imply 100% pure blood is required...or am I misreading this?


26 posted on 03/03/2007 12:06:13 PM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: All

There needs to be outrage against somebody for this! Who do we rage against?


27 posted on 03/03/2007 12:08:34 PM PST by Altura Ct.
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To: rabidralph
The 250,000-member Cherokee Nation will vote in a special election today whether to override a 141-year-old treaty...

Suddenly they don't have a problem with a broken treaty?

28 posted on 03/03/2007 12:11:10 PM PST by SlowBoat407 (A living insult to islam since 1959)
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You call 141 years sudden?

How long did those treaties usually last in the 1800's?

29 posted on 03/03/2007 2:24:09 PM PST by CJ-50
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To: rabidralph
a former slave of a Cherokee family

Sounds like the Cherokee nation owes money in reparations. Better dontate every other slot machine to repay the debt.

30 posted on 03/03/2007 2:55:34 PM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: fish hawk

You must know by now that factual information is no longer appreciated or even heeded on Free Republic.

Unless you are on the MSM bandwagon one way or another, FR seems a very strange place to be.


31 posted on 03/03/2007 4:57:33 PM PST by La Enchiladita (Hunter/Poe 2008 "Once again, our government is on the wrong side of the border war")
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To: Shimmer128

Why do you say "heehee?"

There are no tribes among American Indians. They each call themselves a Nation, hence Cherokee Nation, Iroquoi Nation, Crow Nation, etcetera. Or, they are simply the People, such as the Lakota People. The Navajo word that translates to People is Dine. They call themselves simply Dine (Dinay).

The Navajo and the Hopi have clans within their nations. I don't know how each of the other Nations are organized, but this is the little bit that I know.


32 posted on 03/03/2007 5:03:42 PM PST by La Enchiladita (Hunter/Poe 2008 "Once again, our government is on the wrong side of the border war")
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To: rabidralph

More WayPo poopoo, huh? FReepers can't seem to get enough of it these days.

I guess this article would fall under the "divide and conquer" section of the leftist agenda.


33 posted on 03/03/2007 5:05:31 PM PST by La Enchiladita (Hunter/Poe 2008 "Once again, our government is on the wrong side of the border war")
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To: La Enchiladita

Private joke between my friend and me. :)


34 posted on 03/03/2007 5:08:01 PM PST by Shimmer128 (Molon labe)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Yup, I also could care less what the Cherokee Nation decides to do. It's their business. But ferreting out this little tidbit and broadcasting it as a "story" suits the WayPoo agenda.



35 posted on 03/03/2007 5:10:10 PM PST by La Enchiladita (Hunter/Poe 2008 "Once again, our government is on the wrong side of the border war")
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To: rabidralph
It's interesting because I've got a book published in the 1880's with hundred's of photographs from the Civil War. What is interesting, in the "veterans" section, there is a large plate showing "Cherokee Confederate Veterans" meeting under a very conspicuous "Bonny Blue Cross", Lee's flag.
36 posted on 03/03/2007 5:14:15 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (When I search out the massed wheeling circles of the stars, my feet no longer touch the earth)
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To: highlander_UW
"I'm part Cherokee, although through marriage and not slavery. I had been under the impression that one need only have a certain percentage of heritage to be considered a tribal member...this seems to imply 100% pure blood is required...or am I misreading this?"

I here in Oklahoma, and Channel 9 news had a segment this morning with one of the Freedmen descendents who noted that they aren't trying to throw out the people with white blood, only those with black blood. John Ross, one of the principal chiefs during the Trail of Tears period was, IIRC, half-white... This is gonna be a mess anyway it goes.
37 posted on 03/03/2007 6:31:18 PM PST by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: Old Student

That's pretty sad. Is it correct to assume that reservations are not subject to Federal laws regarding equal rights etc?


38 posted on 03/03/2007 6:37:28 PM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: La Enchiladita
Nishnabec...."The True People"

Potawatomi....of which I am one.

39 posted on 03/03/2007 6:41:20 PM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: rabidralph
A joke comes to mind...something about them being tired of looking at those guys and being reminded of their ancestors' long-ago liaisons with bison...but no, it would be wrong.
40 posted on 03/03/2007 6:44:16 PM PST by RichInOC ("Oh, dear!" "No...no deer...run too fast and [butt] too high. No deer.")
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To: rabidralph

A very interesting story. I'm not entirely sure where to begin unraveling this ball of yarn.


41 posted on 03/03/2007 6:45:50 PM PST by Old_Mil (Duncan Hunter in 2008! A Veteran, A Patriot, A Reagan Republican... http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: Old Student
one of the Freedmen descendents who noted that they aren't trying to throw out the people with white blood, only those with black blood.

Well that's crap. Either is you is or you ain't. Are they going to tell them to sit in the back of the teepee?

42 posted on 03/03/2007 6:49:51 PM PST by Lijahsbubbe
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To: RegulatorCountry
Indians enslaved blacks and whites...

No they didn't...they held them captive not as slaves.

Europeans (English and Spanish) owned slaves...not the natives. Mexico is basically controlled by the same 20 or so european families that have always controlled Mexico.

43 posted on 03/03/2007 6:52:21 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: highlander_UW

"That's pretty sad. Is it correct to assume that reservations are not subject to Federal laws regarding equal rights etc?"

I don't know. They have their own tribal police, for example, but I've heard of county sheriffs arresting people on the reservation. Just to complicate things, it may vary from tribe to tribe (or nation to nation). Some of the tribes/nations lost more than others in various treaties. The Cherokee lost much of their land and independence after siding with the Confederacy during the Civil War, despite also having people fighting on the Union side.


44 posted on 03/03/2007 6:52:22 PM PST by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: rabidralph

The battle for most favored minority is heating up I see, wait until we have the next amnesty for the majority minority.


45 posted on 03/03/2007 6:53:28 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Lijahsbubbe
"Well that's crap. Either is you is or you ain't. Are they going to tell them to sit in the back of the teepee?"

Lady the news people were quoting said if they (the Cherokee) were going to throw out the Freedmen descendents, and not the white descendents, that was just blatant racism, and I cannot disagree with her.
46 posted on 03/03/2007 7:37:48 PM PST by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: frankenMonkey
Does that apply to Americans, too?

It should


47 posted on 03/03/2007 7:39:20 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (Waiting for Samson)
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To: rabidralph

These are desperate times. If the Cherokee Nation can't reduce their numbers they're going to have to assimilate into society, get jobs and all those other unpleasant things us Non-Hyphenated-Americans have to do.


48 posted on 03/03/2007 7:51:43 PM PST by Doohickey (I am not unappeasable. YOU are just too easily appeased.)
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To: 2banana

"Which PC group wll give in first".

In the PC world of "Group Rights", Blacks are atop the heap but that is changing. Hispanics are gaining rapidly and will displace them before long.
"Faggotts" are gaining even more rapidly and could gain the #1 spot over both Hispanics and Blacks.


49 posted on 03/03/2007 7:53:17 PM PST by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: rabidralph
You all shouldread the comments on the Post's site, regarding this story.

Revealing.

More people recognized Miss Ellen's feeble grasp of history than I thought.

The unifying traits within the journalism profession today are a.) ignorance and b.) inability to perform even a modicum of research.

50 posted on 03/03/2007 7:54:42 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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