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Posted on 03/03/2007 9:23:28 AM PST by Calpernia
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According to the Times, Giuliani has attended every gay pride parade in New York during his eight years as mayor. In 1992, during his first run for mayor, Giuliani took part in a homosexual pride parade that included a contingent of pedophile activists marching behind a banner for NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love
the organizing committee of Stonewall 25 is dominated by those intent on imposing political censorship. To march in the parade, groups must take the equivalent of a loyalty oath. They must pledge their support for age-of-consent laws. Any group that favors the abolition of these laws has been denied permission to march. The obvious intent of this ruling is to keep the North American Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) out of the parade, presumably from a desire to avoid bad publicity. But it galls me that people are being excluded not for what they do but for what they think.
Which of these members voted to allow NAMBLA to march under their own banner? And what does NAMBLA being part of Stonewall MEAN?
S.V.A. Honorary Members (STONEWALL Veterans' Association)
(all 14 are supportive, considered and voted upon)
Liz J. Abzug, Rebuild Our Town Downtown, Co-Chair
N.Y.C. Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg
N.Y.C. Councilmember James E. (Jed) Davis, In Memorium
Congressmember Geraldine A. Ferraro
Borough President C. Virginia Fields
America's Mayor Rudy W. Giuliani
B. Thomas Golisano, Paychex, President
N.Y.C. Public Advocate Betsy F. Gotbaum
Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
Councilmember Margarita L. Lopez
Martha Reeves, Motown Singer & Detroit Councilwoman
N.Y.S. Attorney General Eliot L. Spitzer
Steven L. Wesler, R.D.P. Group, President
N.Y.S. Assemblymember Keith L.Wright
They can cry Pedophilia isn't a homosexual problem all they want to, but as far as I'm concerned, a older MALE seeking a younger MALE is as homosexual as it gets.
They are deviants, and need to be treated with a .45 Simple and inexpensive treatment!
.22 Short. More discrete, and all they are worth.
self-ping for later.
I am officially grossed out.
Phil Donahue on his old daytime show, used to give NAMBLA a lot of air time.
New York City Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani's 1999 Gay Pride
Celebration at Gracie Mansion
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Harry made the following statement to a press conference on June 24, 1994, in the former Stonewall Inn on Sheridan Square in New York, site of the riots that launched the modern gay movement in June 1969. The press conference was called to announce the Spirit of Stonewall (SOS) contingent in the Stonewall 25 march two days later. It was moderated by SOS co-organizer and indefatigable activist Bill Dobbs. Other participants were Christine Martin, sex educator and documentary filmmaker; Glenda Orgasm (aka Glenn Belverio), drag queen activist and filmmaker; Scott O�Hara, editor and publisher of Steam magazine; Val Langmuir of Feminists Against Censorship (London); Julia Smedley, member of Stonewall Now; and Charley Shively of Fag Rag and professor of American Studies at the University of Massachusetts.
This statement was transcribed from a videotape of the press conference. A much shorter version�which omits any mention of NAMBLA or SOS, as well as the entire last half of the statement and the first paragraph�appeared in Radically Gay: Gay Liberation in the Words of Its Founder Harry Hay, ed. Will Roscoe (Boston: Beacon Press, 1996), p. 303. These omissions seem odd in view of the fact that Harry read from a written text. The truncated version also used capital letters for words such as �Brothers and Sisters� and �Queers,� a convention that is not followed here since this complete version is not based on a written text.
Sir Julian Huxley, the great English biologist, said, at the beginning of this century, no negative trait�and, as you know, a negative trait is one that does not reproduce itself�no negative trait ever appears, and reappears, millennia after millennia after millennia, unless it in some way serves the survival of that species. We gays and lesbians may embody, or have discovered, some things that you folks desperately need to know about.
I�m here today as a survivor, as well as the founder of the first ongoing gay organization in the United States, the Mattachine Society, first formed in 1950 in Los Angeles, and now, naturally, a member of SOS, the Spirit of Stonewall, because things we discovered about ourselves and principles we developed in 1950 to �53 are now being trashed by queers who don�t know their own history, all over the place.
We decided from the beginning that, first, because we were still discovering our parameters, we wouldn�t censure each other. If people like NAMBLA self-identify themselves to me as gays and lesbians, I accept them as brothers and sisters with love.
Second, when we decided to rejoin the social or political mainstream again, we would integrate as the group we saw ourselves to be, complete with our own set of values, or we would not integrate at all.
And third, we would no longer permit any heteros�nationally or internationally, individually or collectively�to tell us who we are, what persons our groups should or should not consist of. We assert our right to self-determination, we assert our right to collective self-definition. We queers will decide for ourselves who our members should be.
Members of SOS, notably NAMBLA, have been accused of child molestation. Insofar as child molestation is concerned, the most common form is the sexual coercion by which gay and lesbian children are bedeviled into hetero identities and behaviors. And this is practiced daily by the whole national and international hetero community�parents, family, teachers, preachers, doctors, lawyers, and Indian chiefs, not to overlook U.S. senators and pooh-bah media.
This outrageous coercion of gay kids into hetero identities and behaviors against their wills is not only sexually abusive, it is spiritually devastating rape, because the child unbeknowingly is being led into developing self-loathing at the same time. For this gigantic criminal trespass against not only today�s children but against all of us also�all of us�since childhood, from the queers my age of 82 down through all the generations of queers assembled here in New York, to the gay kids still being bedeviled by sexual coercion against their wills, we the international gay and lesbian people here this week should unite to sue the whole guilty heterosexual community lock, stock, and barrel to within an inch of their lives, and for every nickel they�ve got, as a beginning of compensation. And while we�re at it, we should request our first-class citizenship as well. This could be the class-action suit of the century.
I'm with Posts 3, 4 & 6 - totally grossed out and loading my guns.
Disgusting that these people even still exist after 30 years.
gross. Rudy is not mypick./
One more, though I am unable to tell if it is still available as I can only see the abstract myself anymore. Those who have a NYT sub (or Lexis Nexis) can access the full article:
Comments by eight New Yorkers on where and how Rudolph Giuliani has made a difference in three years he has been mayor.
Mary Cummings, Queens resident: "...I EXPLAINED why I didn't vote for Mayor Giuliani in the last election. I look at the gay pride parade coming up the avenue and I see the gay activists and they are followed by a group from Nambla, the pedophiles. And in back of the pedophiles come, smiling brightly and waving their hands, the two aspirants to be my Mayor, Mr. Dinkins and Mr. Giuliani. I couldn't under those circumstances vote for anyone that would march in a parade with pedophiles."
Buchanan was on Scarborough before the 2006 election discussing this same issue about both Giuliani and Hillary (BUCHANAN: -- If they march with NAMBLA, they're going to have answer it!). Pelosi did so as well in San Fran. But it's only acceptable as a criticism when we mention those who actually acknowledge the "D" behind their names? Wrong.
>>>>I couldn't under those circumstances vote for anyone that would march in a parade with pedophiles."
Now, let's look at post 12 again and ponder this member list at post 1.
Pop Quiz: Will Geer ("Grandpa Walton") and Nancy Pelosi.
What's the connection?
A: Harry Hay.
Will Geer was Harry Hay's, ahem, "companion" in the 1930s, and
Pelosi marched a couple spots behind Hay in the 2001 "Pride Parade".
Because republicans/conservatives have become like Giuliani, McLaim and Romney..
Liberals.. and socialists..
Basically, SOS was founded by Stonewall members to protest the Stonewall 25's attempt to exclude NAMBLA, because they insisted NAMBLA had been a part of the fight for gay liberation. So yes, NAMBLA is SOS is Stonewall. So those who are 'honorary members' support, even if it is only in name, their mission statement/declaration.
In noting the passing of Harry Haythe man who first organized homosexuals as a political minorityno mainstream media outlets reported that Hay was an advocate of pedophile rights and the notorious group NAMBLA.
NAMBLA is the North American Man/Boy Love Association, a group that advocates for the legalization of sex between men and boys, and an end to all age of consent laws.
Hay, who died on October 24, at age 90, formed the first American homosexual activist group, the Mattachine Society, in 1950. He conceived of the idea of organizing homosexuals at a time when most were afraid to even be discovered as such. Hay was also a committed Communist who married to hide his homosexuality so that he could join the Party.
He went on to found The Radical Faeries, a shamanistic spirituality movement for homosexual men. Gay pride parades frequently include local contingents of Faeries:semi-naked men prancing and dancing in variations of Native American rituals.
Hay strongly opposed the notion that gays should assimilate into larger straight culture. Thus, in the eighties and nineties, when homosexual activists began banning NAMBLA from gay pride parades to clean up their public image, he and other gay liberationists were outraged.
In 1994, Hay, then in his eighties, was among the signers of a Spirit of Stonewall proclamation that argued that efforts to ban NAMBLA from the New York pride parade violated the spirit of the original Stonewall rebellion, which is revered by homosexual activists as the spark of the modern gay rights movement. (In 1969, homosexuals and others then regarded as deviants rioted in response to a police crackdown of the Stonewall Inn in New York City.)
The Spirit of Stonewall (SOS) declaration read in part:
Stonewall was the spontaneous action of marginal people oppressed by the mainstreamof teenaged drag queens, pederasts, transsexuals, hustlers, and others despised by respectable straights and discreet homosexuals.
SOS is an ad hoc committee of lesbian, gay and other individuals and groups formed to bring Stonewall 25
[celebrating the 25th anniversary of the riots] back to the principles of gay liberation. We focus on one of the most glaring departures from those principles: the attempt to exclude [NAMBLA].
NAMBLAs record as a responsible gay organization is well known. NAMBLA was spawned by the gay community and has been in every major gay and lesbian march. NAMBLAs call for the abolition of age of consent is not the issue. NAMBLA is a bona fide participant in the gay and lesbian movement. NAMBLA deserves strong support in its rights of free speech and association and its members protection from discrimination and bashing.
In 1986, Hays pro-NAMBLA activism had a role in what became known in homosexual circles as the Harry Hay incident. As part of a protest against the Los Angeles Gay Pride Parade, Hay taunted organizers for excluding the North American Man/Boy Love Association by wearing a sandwich board that read, NAMBLA Walks with Me. This event is chronicled by Hays biographer, homosexual writer Stuart Timmons, in The Trouble with Harry Hay: Founder of the Modern Gay Movement. The book includes a photo of Hay in the NAMBLA sandwich board.
More recently, Hay wrote an essay for the pederasty magazine GAYME, according to a queer magazine Web site. GAYME is a magazine for men who are sexually into boys, according to one Web reviewer. It is produced by former NAMBLA Bulletin editor Bill Andriette.
Timmons sympathetic biography of Hay reveals that he had his first homosexual sexual encounter at age nine, with another boy. At age 14, in a grove of trees, he discovered his first [homosexual] lovemaking with a 25-year-old sailor named Matt. Hay refused to describe the experience as molestation, according to Timmons, to make the point of how sharply gay life differs from homosexual norms. The account continues:
As a child, [Hay] explained, I molested an adult until I found out what I needed to know. Far from being an experience of molestation, Harry always described it as the most beautiful gift that a fourteen-year-old ever got from his first love!
A Nexis database search of Harry Hay obits in over 30 print news outletsincluding The New York Times, The Los Angeles Times, Associated Press and Time Magazineturned up no mention of his pro-NAMBLA advocacy.
Culture and Family Report, October 30, 2002
My Email to the Republican National Committee
With emphasis on posts: 54, 57, and 71
Especially post 57 in conjunction with post 25 by cgk
An outstanding post Calpernia. I have pinged two of our most prominent RudyBots so you may be called a Rudy-hater (and of course a homophobe), your post labeled as a pack o' lies, and naturally they will call down upon you the usual swarm of fellow RudyBots who will likewise denounce you and scream murder most foul.
Again Calpernia, excellent work and kudos to you! :)
They aren't 'freepers'. They are liberal activists planted within to influence opinions and information.
Glad to see that cgk had the answer to your question.
NAMBLA is despicable - never heard of SOS, but they'll be included in the description from now on. Bill O'Reilly is irritating, but he is one of the very few media 'folks' that has taken on NAMBLA.
SOS stands for 'Spirit of Stonewall' (reference post 12). As per that press release in post 12 NAMBLA is suppose to be the same as Stonewall.
What is disturbing is the member list at post 1 for the Stonewall Vets.
I should have said, until now, I had never heard of SOS.
Yes, everything is disturbing about these groups, including the list of 'honorary' members. There is no honor in what these groups advocate.
Oh, OK, it's for the CHILDREN! /sarc
There's a childlove site at Live Journal. I emailed the FBI about it, and they told me to contact someone else.
National Center for Missing and Exploited Children - that's who they said to report it to :\
I was like WTH - that's not EVEN a government site!
>>>I was like WTH - that's not EVEN a government site!
You are correct. That *is* why ICE.gov made this part of their area:
I was sickened by the word "childlove" in the title. They are members of the childlove movement in the same way that slaveowners were part of the automatic cotton-picking apparatus of foreign origin owners' association.
I agree. I was using one of their own words [buzzwords].
I did that in hopes this gets pulled along with whatever they are searching for when they are on line using search engines.
Calpernia, is there anyone I can complain to about what the FBI told me?
I mean that's ridiculous, and thank you for the link can you send it to me via freepmail so I always have it?
Did you see this from earlier today? and #12. My God.
Horrified & scared is where I am too. This bs has got to stop ! ~P~
THAT was why I posted this.
I want to know what we can do!
I'm ready....just what?
Thank you for this excellent job of research.
I will also link it on the WT thread, as everyone should read it.
I guess we have to get together and figure out some kind of a draft to send to whoever is in charge of education in this state and tell them that we don't want this cr@p in our schools or if it is going to be taught we want a class that treating our children that is ok to be straight. Or else we get a petition going. We need someone to hear us . I just am getting to the point I wonder what in hell is going on ...where are all the normal people?
The problem is, GLAAD has a strangle hold on NJEA
As long as the NJEA Union owns the public schools, the get to dictate this crap into the classrooms.
So those who insisted Rudy "saw the light" after 9-11 and wasn't so pro-homosexual, well... this certainly disputes that.