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Posted on 03/03/2007 9:23:28 AM PST by Calpernia

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To: nw_arizona_granny

>>>All you need to add is the communist manifesto 1963 and the story is complete.

I bought the book the FBI agent wrote that had the communist manifesto in.

I have been adding excerpts from it starting at post 27. I’ll keep adding as time permits.

161 posted on 07/10/2007 6:10:56 PM PDT by Calpernia (
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Liz J. Abzug, Rebuild Our Town Downtown, Co-Chair

Wow. there’s a name I have not heard of in a long while. Any relation to NY’s famous “Bellowing Bella” Abzug?

162 posted on 07/10/2007 6:13:03 PM PDT by Bogtrotter52 (Reading DU daily so you won't hafta)
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Bella Abzug is a Chairperson of Stonewall Vets and Liz Abzug is Co-Chair.

I can’t verify family relation though.

163 posted on 07/10/2007 6:24:20 PM PDT by Calpernia (
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I think the original big hat wearing Bellowing Bella Abzug is dead....for at least a decade. Gotta check on that. I always hate to google stuff until AFTER i have self-tested my middle-aged memory.

164 posted on 07/10/2007 7:23:26 PM PDT by Bogtrotter52 (Reading DU daily so you won't hafta)
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Just googled Bella Abzug. 1920 - 1998. 3 terms in congress. gave up seat in ‘76 to run for senate (lost), ran for NYC mayor (lost). Liz is her daughter.

165 posted on 07/10/2007 7:29:28 PM PDT by Bogtrotter52 (Reading DU daily so you won't hafta)
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I don’t know if this Chairman Bella is a relative of them too.

166 posted on 07/10/2007 7:30:21 PM PDT by Calpernia (
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To: DakotaRed

In my opinion, every member of this organization should have a nail driven right through their testicles and hung from the tallest tree around. And even that is too good foro these freaks.

167 posted on 07/10/2007 7:41:34 PM PDT by antiunion person (I vote letting the general public have open season on turbans)
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To: Calpernia

Thanks, I posted a link to your thread.

168 posted on 07/10/2007 8:05:22 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( Today is a good day for working on some heavy praying. The world needs God to hear them.)
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To: Calpernia

She is a co-chair actually. And yes, she is a lawyer and indeed “Bellowing Bella’s” daughter.

169 posted on 07/10/2007 10:31:11 PM PDT by Bogtrotter52 (Reading DU daily so you won't hafta)
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To: flash2368

There may be some info you will want to know in this thread. See the whole thread. Especially post 91.

170 posted on 07/15/2007 7:24:43 PM PDT by Calpernia (
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My image in post 7 isn't at that host any more. Reposting it:

171 posted on 08/27/2007 1:48:13 PM PDT by Calpernia (
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172 posted on 11/03/2007 5:37:32 AM PDT by MrEdd (Ron Paul is Ralph Nader for the right...)
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Thanks for bumping!

173 posted on 11/03/2007 6:26:12 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity
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174 posted on 12/28/2007 9:15:35 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity
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a web site for Radical Faerie information

Harry Hay

The Father of the Radical Faeries.

John Burnside and Harry Hay

"Confronted with the loving-sharing Consensus of subject-SUBJECT relationships all Authoritarianism must vanish. The Fairy Family Circle, co-joined in the shared vision of non-possessive love -- which is the granting to any other and all others that total space wherein each may grow and soar to his own freely-selected, full potential -- reaching out to one another subject-to-SUBJECT, becomes for the first time in history the true working model of a Sharing Consensus!" -- Harry Hay, Arizona, 1979

"The Hausa people of West Africa say that the men and women of the village who relate to each other have, each one, an eye in their soul by which they perceive themselves, however dimly, on the right path in the dark and perilous realm of SPIRIT. But the souls of those men among them who relate to other men, and women who relate to other women, have two eyes! This Two-Eyes feature, different from the way Eurocentric Imperialisms might misinterpret it, bestows neither special powers or privileges -- instead it lays upon the Two-Eyed ones a sacred responsibility. For Two-Eyed ones have the capacity of vision to penetrate the dread gloom of the SPIRIT world to discern the path that their Group, their Community should follow to discover the next resting place, where they all will be temporarily safe and nurtured, on the SPIRIT journey all must take." -- Harry Hay, San Francisco, 1991

The real Harry Hay

With his sometimes crackpot notions and radiant, ecstatic, vision of the holiness of being queer, Harry Hay refused to play the model homosexual hero

EVEN IN THE GLOW of its conservatism, America — which was formed via revolution, after all — has always taken a certain pride in its radicals. Even so, America prefers to remember its history-makers in sanitized versions with none of the messy, often embarrassing flaws that are usually inscribed on the souls who take it upon themselves to change the world. Thus, we prefer to think of Thomas Jefferson as a revolutionary genius, rather than as slave owner who not only had sexual relations with his female slaves but consigned his own children to slavery. The fiery stances taken by anarchist and feminist Emma Goldman in the early part of this century are softened — or forgotten — in her incarnations as a grandmotherly figure in the film Reds and an innocuous witty commentator in the musical Ragtime. The popular image of Rosa Parks as a tired seamstress who just wanted a seat on the bus is far more comforting than the reality: she was a skilled political thinker and secretary of the NAACP chapter that planned the bus boycott long before she refused to sit down. Even the most serious biographers of Martin Luther King Jr. portray him in rosy hues, as an American saint, not as a deeply religious man whose promiscuity and adulterous behavior tore him apart.

So it is with Harry Hay — founder of the gay movement in America — who died at the age of 90 on October 24. Obits in the New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, and the Associated Press left the impression that Hay was a passionate activist and something of a romantic. The New York Times referred to him as "an ardent American Communist, a romantic homosexual," who was a "restless middle-aged man" by the time he formed the Mattachine Society, the first gay-rights group in the United States. The Los Angeles Times described Hay’s penchant for wearing "the knit cap of a macho longshoreman, a pigtail and a strand of pearls" and also noted that he and John Burnside, his lover of 40 years, lived most recently in San Francisco in a pink Victorian house.

The reality is that while Hay may have been a romantic, he was also notoriously promiscuous, and his communism was far more rabid than "ardent." And while he did wear pearls with his longshoreman’s cap, it wasn’t a form of charming "gender-bender" chic, as the Los Angeles Times put it, but a political statement Hay first donned back when it was still quite dangerous to do so. Hay, in fact, was fanatically resistant to the grandfatherly image the modern gay movement not only tried to attribute to him but expected him to play out. The documentary Word Is Out, for instance, filmed in 1976, portrayed Hay and Burnside as paragons of gay domesticity. More recently, he was invited to address the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force’s Creating Change Conference, in 1998, and was billed as a major speaker. But he was given no context in which to talk about his politics and found himself treated more as an artifact of gay history than as an activist with ideas.

Hay had strong opinions and never pandered to popular opinion when he voiced them — whether he was attacking national gay organizations for what he saw as their increasingly conservative political positions ("The assimilationist movement is running us into the ground," he told the San Francisco Chronicle in July 2000) or when he condemned the national gay press — in particular, the Advocate — for its emphasis on consumerism. He was, at times, a serious political embarrassment, as when he consistently advocated the inclusion of the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) in gay-pride parades.

HAY’S UNEASY relationship with the gay movement — he reviled what he saw as the movement’s propensity for selling out its fringe members for easy, and often illusory, respectability — didn’t develop later in life. It was there from the start. In 1950, when Hay formed the Mattachine Society — technically a "homophile group," since the more aggressive idea of gay rights had yet to be conceived — his radical vision was captured in a manifesto he wrote stating boldly that gay people were not like heterosexuals. Indeed, Hay insisted, homosexuals formed a unique culture from which heterosexuals might learn a great deal. This notion was at decisive odds with the view put forth by many other Mattachine members: that homosexuals should not be discriminated against because gay people were just like straight people. By 1954, the group essentially ousted Hay.

It wasn’t the first time Hay had been booted out of a group he helped create. From the 1930s through the early 1950s, Hay had been an active member of the American Communist Party. In 1934, Hay and his lover Will Geer, who later played Grandpa on the long-running television series The Waltons, helped pull off an 83-day-long workers’ strike of the port of San Francisco. Though marred by violence, it was an organizing triumph, one that became a model for future union strikes — such as the one currently under way (but stymied by the Bush administration) at West Coast ports. During the 1940s, Hay struggled unsuccessfully to be honest about his homosexuality — of which he’d been certain since adolescence — while maintaining his status as a member of the Communist Party, which banned homosexuals from joining. He married a follow Communist Party member and adopted two daughters — even as he worked to form the Mattachine Society. But homophobia eventually won out. After the Mattachine Society gained notoriety in the early 1950s, Hay was unceremoniously kicked out of the Communist Party.

The story of Harry Hay’s life was that he was always a just little too radical — and since he was also a bit of an egotist, too disinclined to demure — for the groups with which he was involved. He was also too idealistic. Hay took the name Mattachine from a secret medieval French society of unmarried men who wore masks during their rituals as forms of social protest. They, in turn, took their names from the Italian mattaccino, a court jester who was able to tell the truth to the king while wearing a mask. As an old-time socialist, he was drawn to communism because of its egalitarian vision and, in the late 1930s and early 1940s, its stand against fascism. But he was also an actor and a musician drawn to a brand of scholarship that romanticized popular culture as intrinsically progressive and revolutionary.

Despite, or perhaps because of, Hay’s difficulty getting along with others, his vision of gay liberation was decades ahead of its time. His monumentally important contribution to the gay movement was his ability to communicate the notion that homosexuals made up a cultural minority with its own history, political concerns, and organizational strengths. An often-told story about Hay (retold in the New York Times’ obituary) recounts how he came up with a political strategy in 1948 that no one had ever voiced before: giving votes in exchange for ideological support. To wit: identity politics for homosexuals — on the same model African-Americans had begun to use in organizations like the NAACP. Hay wondered — out loud, the most basic form of political organizing — if Vice-President Henry Wallace, who was the Progressive Party’s candidate for president, would back a sexual-privacy law if he could be assured that a majority of homosexuals would vote for him. The politics of quid pro quo was revolutionary for its time. Remember, at that time it was dangerous to publicly identify as a "homosexual" — you could be arrested merely on the suspicion that you might be looking for sex; many states legally forbade serving drinks to homosexuals, much less allowing homosexuals to gather together in public. Indeed, the American Psychological Association’s lifting of the definition of homosexuality as a mental illness was a good 20 years away.

That said, Hay’s vision was not completely original. It drew partially on the work of late-19th/early-20th-century gay British socialist Edward Carpenter and, to a lesser extent, the political work of Magus Hirschfeld. Carpenter pushed the idea that people with homosexual desires were a distinct group with a well-defined identity, and thus could have a distinctive consciousness about their place in society. Hay, who was born in England in 1912 and moved to the US with his parents almost 10 years later, would have had easy access to Carpenter’s ideas, which were popular through the 1920s. But even though Hay’s notions had roots in European intellectual circles, they were truly radical in American political thought.

Political genius that he was, Hay never would have achieved what he did without his training as an organizer for the American Communist Party. He used the party’s own "cell" organization to build and propagate the ever-growing Mattachine. Even the group’s recruitment tactic — it was as dangerous to walk up to someone and say, "Hey, are you a homosexual? Want to join our club?" as it was for someone to drum up membership for a seditious political group — was modeled on the Communist Party’s strategy of getting names of potential members from current members.

THE HOMOPHILE movement of the 1950s and 1960s gave way after the 1969 Stonewall riots to the Gay Liberation movement. With its roots in feminism, the Black Power movement, street culture, and the antiwar movement, the Gay Liberation movement initially appealed to Hay. It was, essentially, the movement he had envisioned in 1950 but that never came to fruition. Soon, however, Hay became disenchanted as the radical Gay Liberation movement became corporatized with groups like Gay Activist Alliance and the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, whose goals were to assimilate into the mainstream rather than change the basic structures of society. Hay, yet again, was a queen without a movement.

During these years, Hay spoke out against what he saw as the increasing conservatism of the gay-and-lesbian movement. As he saw it, the gay — and now, lesbian — movement was far more interested in electing homosexuals to government positions than in making the government responsible to the needs of its people. It was more interested in making sure that gay people were represented in commercial television and films than in critiquing the ways mass culture destroyed the human spirit. It was too interested in making strategic alliances with conservative politicians, rather than exposing how most politicians were working hand in glove with bloodless, destructive corporations.

Hay’s response was to reinvent gay politics all over again: in 1979, he founded the Radical Faeries. The spiritual core of the Radical Faeries was the same as the one Hay had envisioned for his original Mattachine Society: the conviction that gay men were spiritually different from other people. They were more in touch with nature, bodily pleasure, and the true essence of human nature, which embraced both male and female. Hay’s spiritual radicalism had its roots in 17th-century British dissenting religious groups, such as the Diggers, Ranters, Quakers, and Levelers, who sought to refashion the world after their egalitarian, socialist, non-hierarchical, utopian views. Unlike his dissenting predecessors, however, it wasn’t millennial Christianity that drove Hay, but a belief that all sexuality was sacred. And a belief that queer sexuality had an essential outsider quality that made the outcast homosexual the perfect prophet for a heterosexual world lost in strict gender roles, enforced reproductive sexuality, and numbingly straitjacketed social personae. The Radical Faeries were something of a cross between born-again queers and in-your-face frontline shock troops practicing gender-fuck drag.

By this time, the gay movement — which had devolved from a "liberation" movement into a quest for "gay rights" — treated Hay as a benign crackpot. He was frequently praised as an important historical figure, but no one was really interested in what he had to say, especially since the Christian right had already begun to launch vicious anti-gay attacks with Anita Bryant ’s "Save Our Children" campaign of 1979 and California’s Briggs Initiative (which would have banned openly gay schoolteachers) a year later. Often the discomfort with Hay was coupled with an overriding discomfort with his long history of involvement with the American Communist Party. More often than not, though, his relationship with Will Geer was touted as proof that — just like Grandpa Walton — Hay was an icon of safe respectability.

Despite his 40-year relationship with John Burnside, the aging radical still proclaimed the joys of sexual promiscuity and denounced the increasingly popular mandate that monogamy was a preferable lifestyle. In his own determined, often irritating, manner, Harry Hay resisted becoming a model homosexual hero. Nowhere was this more evident than in Hay’s persistent support of NAMBLA’s right to march in gay-pride parades. In 1994, he refused to march with the official parade commemorating the Stonewall riots in New York because it refused NAMBLA a place in the event. Instead, he joined a competing march, dubbed The Spirit of Stonewall, which included NAMBLA as well as many of the original Gay Liberation Front members. Even many of Hay’ s more dedicated supporters could not side with him on this. But from Hay’s point of view, silencing any part of the movement because it was disliked or hated by mainstream culture was both a moral failing and a seriously mistaken political strategy. In Harry’s eyes, such a stance failed to grapple seriously with the reality that there would always be some aspect of the gay movement to which mainstream culture would object. By pretending the movement could be made presentable by eliminating a specific "objectionable" group — drag queens and leather people were the objects of similar purges in the 1970s and 1980s — gay leaders not only pandered to the idea of respectability but betrayed their own community.

In death, though, Harry Hay’s critics have finally been able to do what they couldn’t do when he was alive: make him presentable. The National Gay and Lesbian Task Force and the Human Rights Campaign have issued laudatory press releases. (The HRC’s Davis Smith says, for example, "When you were in a room with him, you had the sense you were in the company of a historic figure." A sense I certainly didn’t get at a cocktail party 12 years ago, when he came across as nothing but a cantankerous old queen who was more interested in speculating about what some of the younger party guests would be like in bed than discussing the connections between 1950s communism and gay-community organizing.) Even the Metropolitan Community Church issued a statement hailing Harry Hay’s support for its work (a dubious idea at best). Neither of the long and laudatory obits in the New York Times and the Los Angeles Times mentioned his unyielding support for NAMBLA or even his deeply radical credentials and vision. Harry, it turns out, was a grandfatherly figure who had an affair with Grandpa Walton. But it’s important to remember Hay — with all his contradictions, his sometimes crackpot notions, and his radiant, ecstatic, vision of the holiness of being queer — as he lived. For in his death, Harry Hay is becoming everything he would have raged against.

175 posted on 12/31/2007 10:37:47 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity
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by David Thorstad

The speeches that Harry Hay made at meetings in New York City, San Francisco, and Los Angeles in the 1980s and in New York in June 1994 during Stonewall 25, the twenty-fifth anniversary of the Stonewall Riots that launched the modern-day gay liberation movement, are published here for the first time.

Harry, founder in 1950 of the first American gay group to survive, the Mattachine Society, cofounder of the Gay Liberation Front, Southern California chapter, in 1969, cofounder of the Radical Faeries in 1979, father of the U.S. gay movement, and grandfatherly icon of gay liberation, died on October 24, 2002, at the age of ninety.  Harry was a vocal and courageous supporter of NAMBLA and intergenerational sexual relationships, though since his death many of the assimilationists in the gay and lesbian movement, including its most prominent organizations, have already sought to erase that part of his radicalism (not to mention his Communist roots and vocal critiques of their own accommodationist approach to the powers that be).  In order to bring truth to the record, I have transcribed these comments.

I first met Harry in early 1983, at the time of the first of these speeches.  I was introduced to him and his lovely—I almost said saintly—companion, John Burnside, a lovable gay man if ever there was one, by lesbian activist, self-professed witch, and sometime weed partner Katherine Davenport, a mutual friend and journalist for the New York Native.  I knew about Harry’s past as a Communist and labor activist, as well as the central role he had played in efforts to launch a gay movement in the dreary, conformist 1950s—a time when homosexuality was still totally medicalized as a sickness or excoriated as a satanic perversion.  I also knew that he had developed a philosophy of same-sex love that seemed inspired by the writings of Edward Carpenter, though without the explicit “intermediate sex” or “third sex” baggage, yet retaining a hint of the idea that gay men were destined to lead society to a higher level of sexual freedom and social justice.

When I was president of New York’s Gay Activists Alliance in 1975, we received a letter from Harry from Taos, where he was then living, in which he expounded his ideas, with lots of capital letters and, to me, rather strange formulations.  I was excited, because I hadn’t realized that he was still alive, since he had remained largely silent so far as gay issues were concerned since he was driven out of Mattachine for his radicalism.  So when I met him in 1983, I prepared a lavish turkey dinner for him, John, and Katherine.

From then on, I considered him a friend.  I was lucky to have spent more time with him than I could have hoped for, yet far less than I would have liked—at Phil Willkie’s Wisconsin cabin and his St. Paul apartment; at the Stonewall 25 demonstration in New York in 1994, where Harry and John, as well as the late Jim Kepner (another early member of the Mattachine Society and a gay archivist) marched with the Spirit of Stonewall contingent that included NAMBLA; and at the International Lesbian and Gay Association (ILGA) conference in New York that same week, which expelled NAMBLA (despite Harry’s vocal protests and subsequent disgust) under pressure from U.S. Senator Jesse Helms, the Clinton administration, gay congressman Barney Frank, and the gay and lesbian assimilationist organizations; at his and John’s apartment in San Francisco; at a Faerie event in Stuyvesant Square Park in New York; at several NAMBLA conferences…

When I learned last September that Harry had inoperable cancer and only weeks to live, I wrote him a card that ended with a thought that expresses an appreciation for his life that I am sure many others would share: “You are leaving the world an unforgettable legacy, and will be an eternal part of our gay Pantheon, along with Ulrichs, Carpenter, and Whitman.”

Of course, Harry stood for much more than the comments published here.  But these views were also important to him, as his moving expressions of love for Matt, the man in his life as a boy, make clear.  Wherever he is, I thank him for them, and offer them to posterity.

     —David Thorstad.

Copyright © NAMBLA, 2003. All rights reserved.

176 posted on 12/31/2007 10:52:00 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity
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Drivers License renewal in Massachusetts now includes "transsexual" checkoff.

Since same-sex marriage ruling, homosexual agenda railroads through government, institutions. 'Transgenderism / transsexual' is latest depravity being pushed in schools & companies by gay movement.

Notice that they don't have a checkoff for your height being changed? That actually happens as people get older. But there's not a well-funded lobby for that one!    

177 posted on 01/07/2008 8:32:23 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity
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To: Coleus; wagglebee

178 posted on 01/07/2008 8:32:49 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity
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Lou Posner was the lawyer who owned:
Cops say lawyers ran midtown brothel (Big Apple)

The brothel wasn’t just a brothel. They made available to order, Premium Events.

The brothel and events laundered money through activist groups such as VoterMarch and

The contact information of this Direct Action Network shows nobloodforoil is also

WHO: Direct Action Network

WHAT: DAN began as a coalition of activists during the WTO protests in Seattle, formed in the hope of maintaining a “continental network of activists” to share resources and facilitate future mobilization through the guerrilla tactics of direct action. In response to the situation in Iraq, NYC DAN started the No Blood for Oil Coalition.

WHY: “Our mission is to bring direct action into the movement against the war. We’re not organized around holding large rallies; our focus is more around civil resistance: facilitating affinity groups, organizing guerrilla action and other visible ways that show we’re ready to put our bodies in line to speak against this war.”

WHAT NEXT: Mass mobilization on Times Square in New York City at 5 pm the day of the invasion of Iraq.

NYC DAN e-mail:


No Blood For Oil e-mail:


Chicago DAN e-mail:

Now look who is affiliated with. Email contact is

Saturday, September 29 (eve) — “PARADE WITHOUT PERMIT” PROTEST MARCH

The unauthorized but well-planned march sponsored by the Radical Homosexual Agenda (”RHA”) gathers at Tompkins Square Park after 6 p.m. amd kicks off @ 7 p.m. It is planned to have the famous “Stonewall Car” — well-known to the NYCPD — symbolically leading the protest march. One of the protest issues is the unnecessary new law that any gathering of 50 or more people need a “parade permit”!? What is this pre-Stonewall 1968? Shame on the City Council Speaker for supporting such undemocratic trash! For further 411, e-mail the RHA’s chief coordinator Tim Doody at

S.V.A. Editor’s Note: What an absolutely treble busy day for the S.V.A. It’s like deja vu 1969!

Now, go through this entire thread to ensure you have a good understanding as to who Stonewall is.

Makes you wonder how unusual the Premium Events requests could get.

179 posted on 07/29/2008 7:03:41 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity
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To: Calpernia

*NYC DAN started the No Blood for Oil Coalition*

nobloodforoil is also

Sunday, September 23 — S.V.A. and the RADICAL HOMOSEXUAL AGENDA

For the planning of their protest march on Saturday, September 29th, their special guests today are logically members of the STONEWALL Veterans’ Association. There is no question that the S.V.A. has experience with “protests”. The Radical Homosexual Agenda (”RHA”) also invited the S.V.A. today to plan protest strategies and make arrangements for the protest march to feature the big blue classic convertible known as the “Stonewall Car”. Williamson Henderson of the S.V.A. originated the symbolic and visible Stonewall history idea. It was quickly embraced by both groups united in Gay respect and Gay rights cause. One of the RHA’s popular banners cleverly states: “The Stonewall Veterans didn’t ask for a parade permit!” Today’s representation for the S.V.A. is headed up by Bert Coffman. Meeting location is at Bike Space, 49 East Houston Street in the East Village @ 4 p.m. For more 411, you may e-mail the RHA at:

180 posted on 07/29/2008 8:34:41 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity
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