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State Makes Big Fuss Over Local Couple's Vegetable Oil Car Fuel (Told To Pay Taxes on Fuel or Else)
Heald Review ^ | 3/1/2007 | HUEY FREEMAN

Posted on 03/03/2007 11:14:08 AM PST by Dallas59

DECATUR - David and Eileen Wetzel don't get going in the morning quite as early as they used to.

So David Wetzel, 79, was surprised to hear a knock on the door at their eastside home while he was still getting dressed.

Two men in suits were standing on his porch.

"They showed me their badges and said they were from the Illinois Department of Revenue," Wetzel said. "I said, 'Come in.' Maybe I shouldn't have."

Gary May introduced himself as a special agent. The other man, John Egan, was introduced as his colleague. May gave the Wetzels his card, stating that he is the senior agent in the bureau of criminal investigations.

"I was afraid," Eileen Wetzel said. "I came out of the bathroom. I thought: Good God, we paid our taxes. The check didn't bounce."

The agents informed the Wetzels that they were interested in their car, a 1986 Volkswagen Golf, that David Wetzel converted to run primarily from vegetable oil but also partly on diesel.

Wetzel uses recycled vegetable oil, which he picks up weekly from an organization that uses it for frying food at its dining facility.

"They told me I am required to have a license and am obligated to pay a motor fuel tax," David Wetzel recalled. "Mr. May also told me the tax would be retroactive."

Since the initial visit by the agents on Jan. 4, the Wetzels have been involved in a struggle with the Illinois Department of Revenue. The couple, who live on a fixed budget, have been asked to post a $2,500 bond and threatened with felony charges.

State legislators have rallied to help the Wetzels.

State Sen. Frank Watson, R-Greenville, introduced Senate Bill 267, which would curtail government interference regarding alternative fuels, such as vegetable oil. A public hearing on the bill will be at 1 p.m. today in Room 400 of the state Capitol.

"I would agree that the bond is not acceptable, $2,500 bond," Watson said, adding that David Wetzel should be commended for his innovative efforts. "(His car) gets 46 miles per gallon running on vegetable oil. We all should be thinking about doing without gasoline if we're trying to end foreign dependency.

"I think it's inappropriate of state dollars to send two people to Mr. Wetzel's home to do this. They could have done with a more friendly approach. It could have been done on the phone. To use an intimidation factor on this - who is he harming? Two revenue agents. You'd think there's a better use of their time," Watson said.

The Wetzels, who plan to speak at a Senate hearing in Springfield today, recalled how their struggle with the revenue department unfolded.

According to the Wetzels, May told them during his Jan. 4 visit that they would have to pay taxes at either the gasoline rate of 19½ cents per gallon or the diesel rate of 21½ cents per gallon.

A retired research chemist and food plant manager, Wetzel produced records showing he has used 1,134.6 gallons of vegetable oil from 2002 to 2006. At the higher rate, the tax bill would come to $244.24.

"That averages out to $4.07 a month," Wetzel noted, adding he is willing to pay that bill.

But the Wetzels would discover that the state had more complicated and costly requirements for them to continue to use their "veggie mobile."

David Wetzel was told to contact a revenue official and apply for a license as a "special fuel supplier" and "receiver." After completing a complicated application form designed for businesses, David Wetzel was sent a letter directing him to send in a $2,500 bond.

Eileen Wetzel, a former teaching assistant, calculated that the bond, designed to ensure that their "business" pays its taxes, would cover the next 51 years at their present usage rate.

A couple of weeks later, David Wetzel received another letter from the revenue department, stating that he "must immediately stop operating as a special fuel supplier and receiver until you receive special fuel supplier and receiver licenses."

This threatening letter stated that acting as a supplier and receiver without a license is a Class 3 felony. This class of felonies carries a penalty of up to five years in prison.

On the department of revenue's Web site, David Wetzel discovered that the definition of special fuel supplier includes someone who operates a plant with an "active bulk storage capacity of not less than 30,000 gallons." Wetzel also did not fit the definition of a receiver, described as a person who produces, distributes or transports fuel into the state. So Wetzel withdrew his application to become a supplier and receiver.

Mike Klemens, spokesman for the department of revenue, explained that Wetzel has to register as a supplier because the law states that is the only way he can pay motor fuel tax.

But what if he is not, in fact, a supplier? Then would he instead be exempt from paying the tax?

"We are in the process of creating a way to simplify the registration process and self-assess the tax," Klemens said, adding that a rule change may be in place by spring.

David Wetzel wonders why hybrid cars, which rely on electricity and gasoline, are not taxed for the portion of travel when they are running on electrical power. He said he wants to be treated equally by the law.

David Wetzel, who has been exhibiting his car at energy fairs and universities, views state policies as contradicting stated government aims.

"You hear the president saying we need to reduce our dependence on foreign oil," Wetzel said. "You hear the governor saying that."

State Rep. Bob Flider, D-Mount Zion, also plans to support legislation favoring alternative fuels.

"I'm disappointed that the Illinois Department of Revenue would go after Mr. Wetzel," Flider said. "I don't think it is a situation that merits him being licensed and paying fees.

"The people at the department of revenue apparently feel they need to regulate him in some way. We want to make sure that he is as free as he can be to use vegetable oil. He's an example of ingenuity. Instead of being whacked on the head, he should be encouraged."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: criminals; energytax; fuelfascists; statefuel; vegtableoil
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So where is this "green" stuff taking us?....Might be criminal to use Solar power without a license before too soon...
1 posted on 03/03/2007 11:14:11 AM PST by Dallas59
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To: Dallas59

When I was a kid we would often say "it's a free country". That was obviously a long, long time ago.


2 posted on 03/03/2007 11:17:12 AM PST by all the best
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To: Red Badger
Do users of plug in electrics also have to pay a special motor fuels tax on their electricity?

I can see the state's point of view, the motor fuel tax is what pays for road maintenance. However, this was nothing but strong arm tactics to make an example out of this poor couple.

3 posted on 03/03/2007 11:18:45 AM PST by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: Dallas59

We would not want our great guvmint to miss out on any taxes now, would we?


4 posted on 03/03/2007 11:18:48 AM PST by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: Dallas59
Sounds like BS to me.

And kudos to Frank Watson too.

5 posted on 03/03/2007 11:19:04 AM PST by Condor 63
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To: Dallas59

There's a lesson here. If you're running your car on used cooking oil, shut up about it.


6 posted on 03/03/2007 11:19:05 AM PST by coydog (Cowardice does not make you safe. It makes you a safe target. - - Dale Amon)
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To: Dallas59

The new state motto should read"Let nothing of value go untaxed."


7 posted on 03/03/2007 11:19:19 AM PST by Farmer Dean (Every time a toilet flushes,another liberal gets his brains.)
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To: Yo-Yo

Looks like the Illinois SG isn't too concerned with saving the planet.....AL Gore should jump on this...


8 posted on 03/03/2007 11:20:03 AM PST by Dallas59 (AL GORE STALKED ME ON 2/25/2007!)
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To: Dallas59

Yesterday gas was up about 30 cents. I commented to my DIL that I guess we needed to start growing corn. She commented, "oh, I'm sure they would still find some way to make you pay" I actually laughed. Yikes.


9 posted on 03/03/2007 11:21:06 AM PST by CindyDawg
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To: Dallas59

Sounds like the guy was recycling. But I suppose you need a permit or need to pay taxes for that also. Is there a fuel tax for electric? After all some tpye of fuel is used to make the electricity. Sounds like a circle jerk.


10 posted on 03/03/2007 11:21:34 AM PST by beltfed308 (Rudy: When you absolutely,positively need a liberal for President.)
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To: Dallas59

Fight on, Wetzel, you have them on the run!


11 posted on 03/03/2007 11:22:02 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Prevent Glo-Ball Warming ... turn out the sun when not in use)
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To: all the best

"Government is not the solution...Government is the problem."


12 posted on 03/03/2007 11:23:26 AM PST by patton (Sanctimony frequently reaps its own reward.)
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To: Yo-Yo

What is the money for car tags for then?


13 posted on 03/03/2007 11:23:35 AM PST by CindyDawg
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To: Dallas59

"I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help"


14 posted on 03/03/2007 11:24:01 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Dallas59

If you use solar power, do you still have to purchase carbon credits from Al Gore's company?


15 posted on 03/03/2007 11:24:05 AM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: Gabz

Worthy of a Nanny State Ping?


16 posted on 03/03/2007 11:24:32 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: ancient_geezer; Man50D; pigdog
"A hand from Washington will be stretched out and placed upon every man's business; the eye of the federal inspector will be in every man's counting house....The law will of necessity have inquisical features, it will provide penalties, it will create complicated machinery. Under it men will be hauled into courts distant from their homes. Heavy fines imposed by distant and unfamiliar tribunals will constantly menace the tax payer. An army of federal inspectors, spies, and detectives will descend upon the state."

-- Virginian House Speaker Richard E. Byrd, 1910, predicting the consequences of an income tax.
17 posted on 03/03/2007 11:24:49 AM PST by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: Dallas59
"They told me I am required to have a license and am obligated to pay a motor fuel tax," David Wetzel recalled. "Mr. May also told me the tax would be retroactive."

The motor fuel taxes pay for the roads. Cars using vegetable oil fuel (or whatever) have to pay for the roads they drive on. How unfair lol!

The state should have a reasonable regulatory scheme for people who just acquire/produce alternative fuels for their own use however.

18 posted on 03/03/2007 11:25:10 AM PST by mrsmith
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To: Dallas59
This couple wasn't even accused of tax evasion... just using fuel bureaucrats didn't like.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

19 posted on 03/03/2007 11:26:16 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Dallas59

all money belongs to the state. We only get to keep it at its discretion.


20 posted on 03/03/2007 11:26:52 AM PST by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: socialismisinsidious
"... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one MAKES them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. ......just pass the the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted -- and you create a nation of law-breakers -- and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with." - p.411, Ayn Rand, ATLAS SHRUGGED, Signet Books, NY, 1957
21 posted on 03/03/2007 11:26:54 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax , you earn it , you keep it!)
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To: Dallas59; All

Just the tax, mam.


22 posted on 03/03/2007 11:27:12 AM PST by starbase (Understanding Written Propaganda (click "starbase" to learn 22 manipulating tricks!!))
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To: CindyDawg
That money is used to keep the DMV stocked with rolls of tear off numbers.

There is also an excise tax on tires for road maintenance.

23 posted on 03/03/2007 11:27:33 AM PST by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: patton

Jackbooted thugs in dark suits.


24 posted on 03/03/2007 11:27:55 AM PST by mgstarr (I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore.)
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To: socialismisinsidious

Thanks - I never saw that quote before.

Darn smart man.


25 posted on 03/03/2007 11:28:58 AM PST by patton (Sanctimony frequently reaps its own reward.)
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To: Condor 63
I used to fill up my '63 Corvette with high octane leaded gas at the local airport. They had to eventually cut me off because road taxes weren't included (obviously).

I would have paid the taxes if they added them -- I was only doing it to get the gas which was not available anywhere else.

26 posted on 03/03/2007 11:29:15 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Dallas59
A retired research chemist and food plant manager, Wetzel produced records showing he has used 1,134.6 gallons of vegetable oil from 2002 to 2006. At the higher rate, the tax bill would come to $244.24.

Hell, I'll pay this for them to reward them for their innovation... I'm sure the government has paid far more in trying to collect this amount..

27 posted on 03/03/2007 11:29:20 AM PST by mnehrling (Anyone who is with you 80% percent of the time is your 80% friend, not. your 20% your enemy- Reagan)
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To: Dallas59; Gabz; Calpernia

Holy Schmoly! This does not bode well for those of us that want to eventually be "off the grid" as far as energy consumption goes.

Smacks of what the Nanny Staters have done to smokers. Run them down, run them underground as much as possible, while still reaping the benefits of tobacco product taxes. And then hunt them down and demand taxes for on-line cigarette purchases, etc.

Fat people are next. I see a tax on food in the future; first fast food, then convenience items, then lastly fresh fruits and veggies. Then those of us that grow our own food and/or have livestock will be forced to turn over our food to the state for distribution amongst the proletariat.

It's insanity!


28 posted on 03/03/2007 11:29:25 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Dallas59

If this is true, the agents and anybody who directed them or instigated this should have their kneecaps broken.


29 posted on 03/03/2007 11:29:43 AM PST by umgud (I did not sleep with Anna Nicole)
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To: NonValueAdded

Not really. Here in Michigan, and I'm sure in other states as well, you can buy fuel for farm use and you don't pay the excise tax for road maintenance on it. But you're not allowed to use it in a road vehicle, only farm vehicles that don't use public roads.

So, if you're allowed to skip the fuel tax if you don't use the fuel on the road, then you should have to pay the tax for fuel you do use on the road, even if you got that fuel from the McDonald's fryer.


30 posted on 03/03/2007 11:30:13 AM PST by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: Dallas59

There is not enough information in the article to make a positive judgement on what really happened. It can be read that he ran gis golf on veggie oil sometimes and diesel fuel sometimes. It can be read that he used a blend of veggie oil and diesel.

If he blended the two it would appear that the tax was already paid on the diesel. The question then is what does the law actually say? If he says Fuel, he has to pay the tax because that is the law. The blend is running a diesel engine so the state does have a case.

There is a whole other set of laws regulating the use and manufacture of chemicals. He is manufacturing fuel when he blends the fuel and thus becomes subject to laws regulating chemical manufacture. Barring some limits or statutory minimums. he is manufacturing.

It is wise to remember that Illinois is a democrat liberal union state that places the government incharge of all aspects of one's life....including the fuel that gets you from place to place. Lawyers insist on control of every aspect of American life.


31 posted on 03/03/2007 11:31:24 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P.)
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To: Dallas59

Anyone using Green Power should be made to pay tribute to the Goracle, the annointed one.


32 posted on 03/03/2007 11:33:39 AM PST by Aikonaa
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To: Yo-Yo
Yep. The State Of Illinois could have sent an updated bill to their address. Instead, it looked thuggish going after elderly people in what seemed to be a very personal way. If they are required to pay a tax - fine. Just don't force them to jump through bureaucratic hoops to pay it.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

33 posted on 03/03/2007 11:34:22 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Dallas59

There is no state in the Union more Socialist than Illinois.
Like living in the Old Soviet Union.


34 posted on 03/03/2007 11:37:36 AM PST by golfisnr1 (Democrats are like roaches - hard to get rid of.)
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To: Dallas59; Just another Joe; CSM; lockjaw02; Publius6961; elkfersupper; nopardons; metesky; Mears; ..

Nanny State Ping.........

Utter insanity.


35 posted on 03/03/2007 11:39:13 AM PST by Gabz (I like mine with lettuce and tomato, heinz57 and french-fried potatoes)
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To: goldstategop

It ain't for nothin' that the people who go after illegal whiskey stills in the hills of Kentucky are called "Revenooers."


36 posted on 03/03/2007 11:39:27 AM PST by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: Yo-Yo
This couple manifestly did nothing wrong. No law covered their activity at all. The "government" is lying about that, but it is a lie which has assumed the status of law itself.

We used to have a country in which, if there wasn't a law against it, you could do it. We now live in a country where, you can't do it until the government decides whether it wants to regulate it first.

And that is the cutting edge of the statist, totalitarian left.

37 posted on 03/03/2007 11:39:33 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I'm still trying to wrap my brain around this one - but what a crock.........sheesh.


38 posted on 03/03/2007 11:40:19 AM PST by Gabz (I like mine with lettuce and tomato, heinz57 and french-fried potatoes)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Fat people are next. I see a tax on food in the future; first fast food, then convenience items, then lastly fresh fruits and veggies. Then those of us that grow our own food and/or have livestock will be forced to turn over our food to the state for distribution amongst the proletariat.
It's insanity!


The taxes are already exist but you don't see. Our current tax code imposes taxes at each stage of production. These hidden taxes called Value Added Taxes(VATS) are a cost to companies that they in turn pass onto the consumer in the form of higher prices. Out of sight out of mind so the consumer never knows they exist. This is exactly what all levels of government hope to achieve. Taxpayers would overwhelm their politicians demanding a change if they aware of these taxes. Instead no one is the wiser and the sheep unwittingly keep paying.
39 posted on 03/03/2007 11:40:50 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax , you earn it , you keep it!)
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To: golfisnr1
There is no state in the Union more Socialist than Illinois. Like living in the Old Soviet Union.

You should try living in Connecticut.
40 posted on 03/03/2007 11:42:37 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax , you earn it , you keep it!)
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To: Dallas59
So they arbitrarily decided that this guy fell under a law that he quite clearly didn't so they could tax him.

Sounds like someone broke the law but it wasn't Mr. Wetzel.

41 posted on 03/03/2007 11:43:00 AM PST by CaptRon (Pedecaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: mrsmith
The motor fuel taxes pay for the roads. Cars using vegetable oil fuel (or whatever) have to pay for the roads they drive on. How unfair lol!

What about bicycles? They use the roads too. Maybe a sweat tax?

42 posted on 03/03/2007 11:43:18 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Dallas59

I wondered when this was coming....

The one class of entities that profits the MOST from fuel use by motorists, is the various levels of government. There shall never be a suitable substitute power source, until the taxes may be applied to the purchase of that energy supply, at the point of sale. This goes for ethanol, hydrogen, compressed natural gas, powdered coal, or even a charge on the battery of an electric automobile.

For pure economy, a plug-in hybrid electric vehicle would make considerable sense. But there are no road taxes paid on that electricity used to charge the batteries overnight, making the vehicle independent of the burning of motor fuel.

No fuel taxes collected = no slush fund available at the state and Federal level for roadway construction, funding of other transportation infrastructure, or buying influence.

In a word, much less money for pork barrel projects, at least not from that source. Highway fuel tax "trust funds" have always been kept segregated from general funds (unlike Social Security), but carefully planned and staged raids on these funds, for projects that really have very little to do with motor vehicle roadways and streets, have become more and more successful over the years. Think of the funding of "light rail" which does zilch for replenishing the fuel tax revenue fund. When more highways are built, at least people drive more, and in the process, consume more fuel, thus generating still more revenues. Or so-called "bridges to nowhere", that benefit perhaps a few hundred individuals, but cannot, ever, be justified as making the infrastructure work to repay its own cost of construction and maintenance.

When you think about energy sources, think first of how the government at all levels can get their cut. That explains about 90% of the law dealing with growth and development.

You are allowed to leave behind an enormous carbon footprint, if you just pay the fees up front. Just ask Al Gore how that is done.


43 posted on 03/03/2007 11:44:00 AM PST by alloysteel (If you cannot bring yourself to condemn someone, at least make the praise as faint as possible.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Don't give the Commiecrats any ideas.


44 posted on 03/03/2007 11:44:36 AM PST by darkangel82 (Socialism is NOT an American value.)
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To: Dallas59
I bet they are lefties. Lefties love forms, rules, regulations, agencies, enforcement, fines, fees and taxes. If it is good for Mr. Capitalist, it's good for Mr. Crunchy-Granola.
45 posted on 03/03/2007 11:45:05 AM PST by Leisler (REAL ENVIRONMENTALISTS WALK.)
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To: Man50D
Out of sight out of mind so the consumer never knows they exist. This is exactly what all levels of government hope to achieve. Taxpayers would overwhelm their politicians demanding a change if they aware of these taxes. Instead no one is the wiser and the sheep unwittingly keep paying.

You nailed that one good.

Delaware brags about being the "HOme of Tax Free Shopping" because of a lack of a sales tax. However, there is another tax called the gross receipts tax, which is exactly what the name implies, a tax on a business's gross, in addition to all the other taxes it pays. Supermarket's are particularly susceptible to it because of high volume. I never really paid that much attention to until I moved to Virginia, where we pay sales tax on our groceries. I shop in the same chain supermarket I did in Delaware, but even after the sales tax my grocery bill is less because product prices are lower.

46 posted on 03/03/2007 11:45:52 AM PST by Gabz (I like mine with lettuce and tomato, heinz57 and french-fried potatoes)
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To: coydog

"There's a lesson here. If you're running your car on used cooking oil, shut up about it."

I know of some country hippies that quietly brew their own bio-diesel and tell no one.


47 posted on 03/03/2007 11:48:39 AM PST by Rb ver. 2.0 (A Muslim soldier can never be loyal to a non-Muslim commander.)
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To: Yo-Yo

Grand-dad use to run shine here and would pour some in his 42 Dodge PU,,said it kept the motor clean and gave it alittle boost..tasted good,, too


48 posted on 03/03/2007 11:50:40 AM PST by silentreignofheroes (When the Last Two Prophets are taken, there will be no Tommorrow!)
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To: patton
""Government is not the solution...Government is the problem.""

The solution is the 2nd amendment which is why the JBTs have been eroding the rights contained therein

49 posted on 03/03/2007 11:54:51 AM PST by Wurlitzer (Islam is the result of puss and maggot poop for brains.)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

Brew your own and keep it quiet.

That's what the govt teaches us.


50 posted on 03/03/2007 11:55:57 AM PST by Lady Jag (A positive attitude will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.)
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