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New York Times ^ | 3/3/07 | NYT Editorial Board

Posted on 03/03/2007 1:13:46 PM PST by CondiRice08

A famous hunter and outdoorsman recently voiced misgivings about people who use assault rifles to kill prairie dogs. “Assault rifle” is a much touchier term. It is generally understood to be the kind of gun that soldiers use in wars and terrorists use on the evening news. But the gun lobby despises “assault rifle,” considering it a false, scary label tacked onto perfectly legitimate weapons by people who want to take away others’ rights. That is a debate for another day. “Excuse me, maybe I’m a traditionalist,” he wrote, “but I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity.” He added: “To most of the public, an assault rifle is a terrifying thing. Let’s divorce ourselves from them. I say game departments should ban them from the prairies and woods.” Until he wrote that, Mr. Zumbo was one of the most admired hunters in America, a widely read magazine writer with his own cable TV program and lots of lecture appearances and corporate sponsorships. He of all people should have known that “ban” is the mother of all fighting words to gun zealots. His 250-word posting caused a huge eruption on gun blogs, and Mr. Zumbo instantly became their second-most-hated man, after the gun-control advocate James Brady. He lost his blog, was dumped by Outdoor Life magazine and was disowned by the National Rifle Association, after 40 years of membership. His corporate sponsors, including the gunmaker Remington, ditched him. His cable show was canceled. The N.R.A. issued a chilling statement warning Congress to take heed of Mr. Zumbo’s fate. By the time Blaine Harden told his story in The Washington Post, Mr. Zumbo was professionally dead. The paranoia and gloating that Mr. Zumbo’s name has evoked on gun discussion boards like ar15.com and freerepublic.com speak for themselves.p>

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1 posted on 03/03/2007 1:13:48 PM PST by CondiRice08
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To: CondiRice08

Ha! So now we're a "gun discussion board"???

Good Lord, the lib media is laughable!


2 posted on 03/03/2007 1:16:07 PM PST by JennysCool ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." -Mencken)
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To: Jim Robinson

Ha! Don't miss this one!


3 posted on 03/03/2007 1:16:53 PM PST by JennysCool ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." -Mencken)
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To: JennysCool

"Ha! So now we're a "gun discussion board"??? "

I was wondering about that.
I've never talked about guns here ...


4 posted on 03/03/2007 1:17:38 PM PST by Muentzer2005
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To: CondiRice08

Hahahah, I think they meant a "Gum" discussion board.

I like Chiclets.


5 posted on 03/03/2007 1:19:45 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: JennysCool

FR must be doing something right if the NYT is against it. :)

I expect an influx of leftists since they worship at the alter of the times.


6 posted on 03/03/2007 1:20:07 PM PST by MARKUSPRIME
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To: CondiRice08
Gee, after shooting his mouth off sites like FR destroyed his career? Sounds like he has a Dixie Chick mania.
7 posted on 03/03/2007 1:20:50 PM PST by Jim Robinson (It's "originalists" not "constructionists.")
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To: CondiRice08
Where I live we are still recovering from the economic devastation of the Civil War. Our unemployment rate is higher than average and our wage rate is lower than average. The great thing about a Chinese or Soviet-bloc SKS is that a poor man can buy one here for as little as $90 and go out and shoot a deer and eat for awhile.
8 posted on 03/03/2007 1:21:28 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee (Anything a politician gives you he has first stolen from you)
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To: Muentzer2005
I've never talked about guns here ...

Yeah, and I've been wondering about that. We're watching you. You'd better get some gun stuff on here PDQ, if you know what's good for you.

Seriously, the one thing you can always count on with the NYT, aside from their ever present slanting of the news, is a pomposity level that is unmatched, except in fine arts circles.

9 posted on 03/03/2007 1:22:27 PM PST by Richard Kimball (Why yes, I do have a stupid picture for any occasion)
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To: CondiRice08

We're a gun discussion board according to the NY Slimes...kind of like saying they are a gay wedding announcement rag...


10 posted on 03/03/2007 1:24:54 PM PST by Geronimo
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To: Jim Robinson
Sounds like he has a Dixie Chick mania.

Now that's original. LOL

11 posted on 03/03/2007 1:26:07 PM PST by org.whodat (Never let the facts get in the way of a good assumption.)
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To: CondiRice08

Free Republic is a gun focused website?

Extrapolate this lie to anything else you read in the NY Times editorial page.


12 posted on 03/03/2007 1:26:53 PM PST by FormerACLUmember
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To: CondiRice08

For all your gun discussion needs remember AR15.com , and freerepublic.com


13 posted on 03/03/2007 1:29:17 PM PST by ansel12 (America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.)
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To: CondiRice08

“Excuse me, maybe I’m a traditionalist,” he wrote, “but I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity.”

Like who cares what kind of a gun they use bub? Afterall, the ground hog is dead either way.


14 posted on 03/03/2007 1:29:49 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Muentzer2005
If the NYT = MSM, then by the weight of the number of posts or the number words, FR is by either measure far more of a MSM discussion board than a gun discussion board. But then the NYT's motto is now, All the News that Fits, We Print.
15 posted on 03/03/2007 1:30:18 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: CondiRice08
This is my rifle
This is my gun...
16 posted on 03/03/2007 1:32:11 PM PST by don-o (Fight, fight. fight to drive the GOP to the right!!!!)
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To: CondiRice08

Guns are used to defend yourself and property and kill the bad guys. People kill people...not guns...SUV's....or....


17 posted on 03/03/2007 1:33:55 PM PST by Dallas59 (AL GORE STALKED ME ON 2/25/2007!)
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To: CondiRice08
Of course this sort of thing could never happen in the loving, caring wings of the democrats and liberals... After all, they're so open-minded, tolerant, and accepting of other points of view. Like when Senator Joe Lieberman, a man who has a 90%+ hard left liberal voting record, supports the War on Terror and the war in Iraq, is thrown under the bus by the dems?

Mark

18 posted on 03/03/2007 1:34:38 PM PST by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: MARKUSPRIME
But the gun lobby despises “assault rifle,” considering it a false, scary label tacked onto perfectly legitimate weapons by people who want to take away others’ rights.

Because that's exactly what it is -- "a false, scary label" concocted by gun-grabbing liberals for propaganda purposes. As the New York Times damn well knows...

19 posted on 03/03/2007 1:35:56 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: CondiRice08

You can't rely on anything published on the internet because web folks don't have editors or fact checkers like the NYT.


20 posted on 03/03/2007 1:35:56 PM PST by umgud (I did not sleep with Anna Nicole)
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To: Brilliant
Like who cares what kind of a gun they use bub? Afterall, the ground hog is dead either way.

You're not on board with the "mindset".

It goes something like this:

1. A bullet fired from a bolt-action rifle in .223 that kills a ground hog = OK

2. A bullet fired from a semi-auto military-style rifle in .223 that kills a ground hog = EVIL. The gun and shooter are EVIL, and furthermore, a menace to society. The gun should be confiscated and the owner thrown in prison for life.

Got it?

21 posted on 03/03/2007 1:36:36 PM PST by Disambiguator
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To: CondiRice08
Watch for a new left-wing phrase, soon to become common usage:

"He's been Zumbo'd."

22 posted on 03/03/2007 1:36:52 PM PST by Tinian
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To: CondiRice08
That is a debate for another day. “Excuse me, maybe I’m a traditionalist,” he wrote, “but I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity.” He added: “To most of the public, an assault rifle is a terrifying thing. Let’s divorce ourselves from them. I say game departments should ban them from the prairies and woods.”

That is close to what he said but here is the actual quote:

"Excuse me, maybe I'm a traditionalist, but I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity. I'll go so far as to call them “terrorist” rifles. … Sorry, folks, in my humble opinion, these things have no place in hunting. We don't need to be lumped into the group of people who terrorize the world with them, which is an obvious concern."

The BOLD parts are what caused Zumbo the problem, and he has not taken that back in any appology. Every article defending him I have seen has left that part out.

Fraking New York Slimes

23 posted on 03/03/2007 1:38:00 PM PST by Domandred
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To: CondiRice08
He of all people should have known that “ban” is the mother of all fighting words to gun zealots.

Well, yes, he should have.

"Gun zealots" translates to "gun enthusiasts", and gun enthusiasts are precisely who buys the guy's magazine. You would think someone who made his living off of "gun enthusiasts" would know that.

24 posted on 03/03/2007 1:38:39 PM PST by marron
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To: CondiRice08

Happiness is knowing NYT's stock is a dog and loser, just like NYT iself.


25 posted on 03/03/2007 1:41:53 PM PST by Tax Government (If and when America is hit by terrorists again, I expect all democrats to fall on their swords.)
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To: JennysCool

"Ha! So now we're a "gun discussion board"??? "

You have never heard of the FR Bang List ?


26 posted on 03/03/2007 1:43:51 PM PST by Beagle8U (Jimmy Carter changed me into a Republican.......R. W. Reagan made me DAMN proud of it!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Sounds like he has a Dixie Chick mania.

Probably a big fan of their "escort" here, too!


27 posted on 03/03/2007 1:44:00 PM PST by JennysCool ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." -Mencken)
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To: Disambiguator

I own semi autos for shooting target and self defence.I will not hunt with them tho.That is a traditionalist way of thinking.Most of my hunting is done with traditional muzzleloaders or bolt and break action rifles.If someone else wants to use them thats fine with me.In my state[yes I own it ] of PA semi loader shot guns are legal but rifles are not.


28 posted on 03/03/2007 1:44:06 PM PST by JOHANNES801 (I have no tag line, cause I say nasty things.)
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To: Tinian

The NYT has an agenda and that is to do whatever they can to contribute to the demise of the "Red States"....and the Gun Owners of America.

The NYT represents all that is horrible about liberal thinking....and they could never understand why we conservatives are the way we are...they just see us as the enemy.

Ok...so be it...

Zumbo screwed up in that he bought into the leftest mind set...that its not ok to own certain weapons...not that some idiot used a semi-automatic for rodent overkill.

It looks like the Second Amendment will be the crucible over which America chooses to survive or becomes the new western EU....that event which will be resisted in the extreme by us conservatives.


29 posted on 03/03/2007 1:52:54 PM PST by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: Beagle8U
You have never heard of the FR Bang List ?

I have indeed! It's among the three zillion other lists on just about every possible topic here on the "gun discussion board"!

30 posted on 03/03/2007 1:55:33 PM PST by JennysCool ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." -Mencken)
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To: JOHANNES801

Those semi-autos are for hunting game, all right; just not the game you'll usually find in the woods. They're more for hunting tyrants. That's what's got the gun banners so worried.

"When the Government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the Government, there is tyranny."

-Thomas Jefferson-

"If someone is so fearful that they're going to start using their weapons to protect their rights, makes me very nervous that these people have weapons at all!"

-Representative Henry A. Waxman, (D-CA)


31 posted on 03/03/2007 2:08:44 PM PST by seowulf
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To: CondiRice08


a pity about Zumbo (rhymes with..) however if you are going to stab members of 2nd amendment fraternity in the back, tehy may not care for the feeling and they may even *gasp* DO something about it.

He was a public figure making public statements that disparaged fellow gun owners. I am not happy that his career has taken such a hit, but you writes your words and you takes your chances....


32 posted on 03/03/2007 2:11:58 PM PST by p[adre29 (Arma in armatos)
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To: JennysCool

The New York Times.

A treason advocacy tabloid


33 posted on 03/03/2007 2:13:11 PM PST by Phsstpok (Often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: JennysCool; CondiRice08

34 posted on 03/03/2007 2:14:49 PM PST by caveat emptor
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim,

You should send the NYT the mission statement from the home page about the principals FreeRepublic was founded on.

That would help to clear up their confusion about everything that Conservatives stand for.

Then you can explain that this is a REAL news forum that can discuss and analyze ALL topics in the news. ( even those they refuse to cover)

They would gasp at the fact that not only do we have a large membership that follows 2nd amendment news items, we have (Gasp) groups devoted to supporting the Troops and the military!

I haven't stumbled across the page devoted to "Taking down the Ditsy Chunks", but I do see them discussed here when they say really stupid, anti-American things.

They would be truly surprised what a real news forum should be, even though Rather, The Chunks, and Zumbo think it was only about them.
35 posted on 03/03/2007 2:18:51 PM PST by Beagle8U (Jimmy Carter changed me into a Republican.......R. W. Reagan made me DAMN proud of it!)
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To: tet68
Hahahah, I think they meant a "Gum" discussion board. I like Chiclets.

I hate you Bazooka banners. Bazooka is the One True Gum. Troll!

36 posted on 03/03/2007 2:22:26 PM PST by LexBaird (98% satisfaction guaranteed. There's just no pleasing some people.)
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To: caveat emptor

Of course the original posting on Zumbo's blog is incomplete. Read for yourself and judge. Here is the complete text:

Assault Rifles For Hunters?

As I write this, I'm hunting coyotes in southeastern Wyoming with Eddie Stevenson, PR Manager for Remington Arms, Greg Dennison, who is senior research engineer for Remington, and several writers. We're testing Remington's brand new .17 cal Spitfire bullet on coyotes.

I must be living in a vacuum. The guides on our hunt tell me that the use of AR and AK rifles have a rapidly growing following among hunters, especially prairie dog hunters. I had no clue. Only once in my life have I ever seen anyone using one of these firearms.

I call them "assault" rifles, which may upset some people. Excuse me, maybe I'm a traditionalist, but I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity. I'll go so far as to call them "terrorist" rifles. They tell me that some companies are producing assault rifles that are "tackdrivers."

Sorry, folks, in my humble opinion, these things have no place in hunting. We don't need to be lumped into the group of people who terrorize the world with them, which is an obvious concern. I've always been comfortable with the statement that hunters don't use assault rifles. We've always been proud of our "sporting firearms."

This really has me concerned. As hunters, we don't need the image of walking around the woods carrying one of these weapons. To most of the public, an assault rifle is a terrifying thing. Let's divorce ourselves from them. I say game departments should ban them from the prairies and woods.

February 16, 2007 in Hunting

Notice how he calls them "terrorist weapons". As a soldier I didn't realize that I was using a terrorist weapon.


37 posted on 03/03/2007 2:25:45 PM PST by scout34 (scout34)
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To: CondiRice08

Hey, NYT, KISS MY "ASSAULT RIFLE"! (muzzle end, please)


38 posted on 03/03/2007 2:26:44 PM PST by TADSLOS (Iran is in the IED exporting business. Time to shut them down.)
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To: CondiRice08; Liberty Valance

So we took out the Dixie Chicks AND Zumbo. We must be bastards. Magnificent Bastards! Who shall feel our wrath next?


39 posted on 03/03/2007 2:30:05 PM PST by Brucifer (JF'n Kerry- "That's not just a paper cut, it's a Purple Heart!")
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To: CondiRice08
“Assault rifle” is a much touchier term. It is generally understood to be the kind of gun that soldiers use in wars and terrorists use on the evening news. So the NYT is admitting lieing to readers?
40 posted on 03/03/2007 2:32:40 PM PST by School of Rational Thought (Dont')
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To: JennysCool
"I have indeed! It's among the three zillion other lists on just about every possible topic here on the "gun discussion board"!"

That was my point exactly. The NYT has no idea what a real sourse of news covers every single day.

FreeRepublic is the "One stop Shopping" of news. Kinda like a Conservative Super Walmart for news!
41 posted on 03/03/2007 2:34:59 PM PST by Beagle8U (Jimmy Carter changed me into a Republican.......R. W. Reagan made me DAMN proud of it!)
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Dan Rather
Dixie Chicks
Jim Zumbo
Rudy Giuliani
42 posted on 03/03/2007 2:36:38 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: Brad from Tennessee
Where I live we are still recovering from the economic devastation of the Civil War. Our unemployment rate is higher than average and our wage rate is lower than average. The great thing about a Chinese or Soviet-bloc SKS is that a poor man can buy one here for as little as $90 and go out and shoot a deer and eat for awhile

Yup, and they make a very good deer rifle. Ballistically nearly identical to the 30-30 lever gun that is about as politically correct as a gun can get.
43 posted on 03/03/2007 2:38:38 PM PST by CrazyIvan (If you read only one book this year, read "Stolen Valor".)
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To: CondiRice08

>“Excuse me, maybe I’m a traditionalist,” he wrote, “but I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity.”<

...well it's too bad it's not your decision then eh?

Second amendment? What's that?


44 posted on 03/03/2007 2:43:19 PM PST by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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To: tet68

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1794667/posts


Hahahah, I think they meant a "Gum" discussion board.

I like Chiclets.


I think the above article is what you are looking for!


45 posted on 03/03/2007 2:46:34 PM PST by CrazyIvan (If you read only one book this year, read "Stolen Valor".)
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To: CondiRice08

As predicted, zumbo becomes a martyr for the anti-gunners. Thanks again, you stupid old fudd.


46 posted on 03/03/2007 2:48:23 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: ozzymandus
"As predicted, zumbo becomes a martyr for the anti-gunners. Thanks again, you stupid old fudd."

The "Brady Bunch" were using Zumbo's words before the ink was barely dry.

Wait until the mean ole gun owners get a good whiff of the stench of Rootie Tootie's record and views on guns.
47 posted on 03/03/2007 2:57:27 PM PST by Beagle8U (Jimmy Carter changed me into a Republican.......R. W. Reagan made me DAMN proud of it!)
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To: CondiRice08

"like ar15.com and freerepublic.com"

Fantastic. My two favorite sites on the web.


48 posted on 03/03/2007 2:58:37 PM PST by Radio_Silence
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To: Brilliant
Like who cares what kind of a gun they use bub? Afterall, the ground hog is dead either way.

I think using an AK to hunt a prairie dog is pretty stupid, but I'm not going to try to ban the practice.

49 posted on 03/03/2007 3:02:47 PM PST by Zeroisanumber (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: CondiRice08
But the gun lobby despises “assault rifle,” considering it a false, scary label tacked onto perfectly legitimate weapons by people who want to take away others’ rights.

Ah, no. Trust the pompous NY Times to get even that one wrong. "Assault rifle" has a very specific meaning and the firearms Zumbo was talking about were not assault rifles. The term that is contrived, meaningless, and subject to outrageous abuse by ignoramuses in both media and government is "assault weapon."

The confusion is natural enough - it's been a deliberate objective of the lying gun control lobby to confuse the two. An assault rifle is a rifle-caliber firearm with select-fire capabilities; i.e. is capable of full-auto fire. An assault "weapon" is anything that somebody who doesn't like how your firearm looks says it is. I realize everyone on this board knows the difference, but just on the off chance that somebody on the staff of the Times might actually want to learn something about the topic, there it is.

50 posted on 03/03/2007 3:06:19 PM PST by Billthedrill
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