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"Potter" puts model trains back on track
Reuters via Yahoo! News ^ | Sat Mar 3, 9:25 AM ET | Reuven Fenton

Posted on 03/04/2007 7:53:07 AM PST by Ready4Freddy

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Sales of model trains are picking up steam again thanks to deals linking them to the "Harry Potter" and "The Polar Express" movies, along with a new approach to marketing the old-fashioned toys.

Lionel, one of the big names in model trains in the 1950s, has watched as its business had to focus less on selling toys to kids than serving an older but much smaller hobbyist market. Folk-rock singer Neil Young, 61, is so passionate about trains that he bought a fifth of the company in 1995.

Now, the company is bringing trains back to young people, and sales are up 40 percent in the last two years.

Lionel signed deals to bring out "Harry Potter" and "The Polar Express" trains, and filled shelves at department stores such as Macy's and Target, instead of just hobby shops.

"We're a resurgent brand based on nostalgic appeal," said Jerry Calabrese, chief executive of Lionel.

Last Christmas, the company advertised toy trains as the ultimate gift by setting up displays at Macy's Santaland and Grand Central Terminal in New York. Forty percent of Lionel's sales of $70 million in 2006 came during the Christmas season.

This sort of advertising is as much geared to children as it is to parents who remember Christmas train displays when they were young, said Andy Edleman, vice president of marketing for MTH Electric Trains.

MTH sells its trains with promotional DVDs and catalogs that portray parents and children enjoying trains together.

"We almost make them feel guilty," Edleman said, before adding that "people would prefer family participation and nostalgia" to things like Game Boys and PlayStations.

Companies such as Lionel and MTH also showcase their products at events like the World's Greatest Hobby...

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KEYWORDS: lionel; modeltrains; potter; trains
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I've got my old Lionel train set in the original box, think it's ~12 ft of track, locomotive & 4 cars. I still remember the Christmas it was under the tree! :)
1 posted on 03/04/2007 7:53:09 AM PST by Ready4Freddy
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To: Ready4Freddy
Thank God.

Something is just pure-T freaky about kids not liking to play with toy trains.

2 posted on 03/04/2007 7:55:05 AM PST by Condor 63
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To: Ready4Freddy

Whenever I think of model trains I think of Gomez Addams....


3 posted on 03/04/2007 7:55:30 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: luv2ski; leilani
The "I have no idea who will be interested in this, but it's probably not you two" PING!

lol

4 posted on 03/04/2007 7:56:35 AM PST by Ready4Freddy ("Everyone knows there's a difference between Muslims and terrorists. No one knows what it is, tho...)
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To: Ready4Freddy
My 3 year old son is a Thomas the Tank Engine freak. We have so many of the wooden track sets it is obscene. My grandfather had a huge Lionel train set up in his basement. He had loads of models, scenery, etc. It was magical to watch it all in motion.
5 posted on 03/04/2007 8:01:21 AM PST by WV Mountain Mama (Algore put the mental in environmental.)
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To: Condor 63
Slot-cars, too, I've read that they're having a bit of a resurgence.

I remember the slot-car stores / tracks up in Bellaire, TX when I was but a wee lad. Tons of analog fun!

Something is just pure-T freaky about kids not liking to play with toy trains.

6 posted on 03/04/2007 8:01:54 AM PST by Ready4Freddy ("Everyone knows there's a difference between Muslims and terrorists. No one knows what it is, tho...)
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To: WV Mountain Mama
Hopefuly you still have the equipment? Makes one wonder what it would be worth now...

My grandfather had a huge Lionel train set up in his basement. He had loads of models, scenery, etc. It was magical to watch it all in motion.

7 posted on 03/04/2007 8:03:16 AM PST by Ready4Freddy ("Everyone knows there's a difference between Muslims and terrorists. No one knows what it is, tho...)
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To: Ready4Freddy
Oh yeah, slot cars.....

No self-respecting boy in my day went without.

8 posted on 03/04/2007 8:04:53 AM PST by Condor 63
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To: Ready4Freddy

His son (my uncle) got it all. I'll bet it is worth lots. I also wouldn't be surprised if my uncle sold it. :(

I still have the memories though.


9 posted on 03/04/2007 8:06:46 AM PST by WV Mountain Mama (Algore put the mental in environmental.)
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To: Ready4Freddy

Thanks for the ping. What's a slot-car?


10 posted on 03/04/2007 8:10:24 AM PST by leilani
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To: Ready4Freddy
I got the three rail Lionel set up in about 1956 or 57 and didn't have a permanent place for it. A Japanese carpenter in Yokohama, where we lived at the time, made a nice toy box with sections for the locomotive and cars, track and the scenery. I remember the center rail was the electric pickup for the engine. It had a heated smokestack where little tablets could be dropped in to create the smoke effect.
11 posted on 03/04/2007 8:10:54 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: Condor 63
Something is just pure-T freaky about kids not liking to play with toy trains

It may be making a comeback.I have 17,000 nephews. And none of them have gotten into trains, despite my parents' (their grandparents') best efforts to turn 'em on to the hobby, except one. He's 4, but I think it's telling that he may be the smartest of the bunch.

12 posted on 03/04/2007 8:14:04 AM PST by leilani
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To: leilani

http://www.hoslotcarracing.com/

We have a cool track in the basement for the boys.


13 posted on 03/04/2007 8:14:50 AM PST by WV Mountain Mama (Algore put the mental in environmental.)
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To: Ready4Freddy

"Last Christmas, the company advertised toy trains as the ultimate gift by setting up displays at Macy's Santaland..."


I never knew they stopped, although it is understandable.
Macy's used to have great set-ups back in the early 50's. When I was a kid, one of the best things about going Christmas shopping with Mom in Manhattan was getting to see the trains in Macy's. She'd park me there while she "...helped Santa" by shopping in the toy dept. She knew I'd still be there and not have wandered off no matter how long she took.


14 posted on 03/04/2007 8:15:54 AM PST by Roccus (They're living in the Dark Ages and they act like they own the world. [Dmitri Gredenko])
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To: leilani
Geez, girls... I knew there was a reason we didn't let them in the clubhouse! I mean, besides the obvious - cooties!! lol ;>)

Slot Car Illustrated

What's a slot-car?

15 posted on 03/04/2007 8:19:09 AM PST by Ready4Freddy ("Everyone knows there's a difference between Muslims and terrorists. No one knows what it is, tho...)
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To: WV Mountain Mama

Hey Mama!, how's things?
Recently dug my old Lionels out and have started cleaning and repairing them. Every thing runs and works now but am having a dickens of a time replacing all the dried out, rubber insulated wires.


16 posted on 03/04/2007 8:23:26 AM PST by Roccus (They're living in the Dark Ages and they act like they own the world. [Dmitri Gredenko])
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To: WV Mountain Mama
Oops, of course! My brothers had model car tracks,just didn't know (or remember) that's what they were called. Sunday morning brain-lock.

(Waitress! More coffee needed at this table!)

17 posted on 03/04/2007 8:23:33 AM PST by leilani
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To: Ready4Freddy

Lionel long missed its most brilliant advertising possibility.

Building, or buying *real* trains!

Not practical trains, but fantasy trains. Nostalgic, futuristic, ornate, etc., for touring around the country.

A modern locomotive costs about $2M, the rest of the cars considerably less. But that price could be amortized over twenty or thirty years, and even then the train could be sold at a good price.

Most of the time, these trains would sit on small sidings near public parks, and their cars would be small retail, like a Starbucks car and a high tech product display and retail car for high end electronics. From local businesses, with just empty cars traveling around with the locomotive, keeping fuel costs low.

And each time a new style of train arrived in a town, it would get a free promo in the local newspaper.

They might have also commissioned a luxury train that would move around the country like a cruise ship solely for tourism. An American Oriental Express.


18 posted on 03/04/2007 8:23:55 AM PST by Popocatapetl
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To: Ready4Freddy

lol. see my reply to WV MTn Mama!


19 posted on 03/04/2007 8:26:16 AM PST by leilani
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To: Roccus

Things are OK here. Although, I have a bad cold...

I can't help you with the wire problem but it sounds like you are having fun getting them ready for action! :)


20 posted on 03/04/2007 8:26:30 AM PST by WV Mountain Mama (Algore put the mental in environmental.)
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To: Ready4Freddy

When my younger daughter was five she developed a passion for toy trains. We bought a modest set and then expanded it over time. Each trip to the hobby shop was a pure delight.

Sadly, as she got older the trains turned to I-pods and boys. I miss the good old days!


21 posted on 03/04/2007 8:26:52 AM PST by rockrr (Never argue with a man who buys ammo in bulk...)
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To: Popocatapetl
I like the traveling store idea. I think your idea might have worked very well. Much as the "YO-YO Man" who would come to theaters on Sat afternoons, demonstrate and then sell Duncan Yo-Yo's.
22 posted on 03/04/2007 8:27:04 AM PST by Roccus (They're living in the Dark Ages and they act like they own the world. [Dmitri Gredenko])
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To: leilani

LOL!!


23 posted on 03/04/2007 8:27:19 AM PST by WV Mountain Mama (Algore put the mental in environmental.)
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To: leilani

Take them for a train ride. It's a sure fire way to get them interested in Locomotives. I took a train from Albany to Niagra Falls with the kids and they had a great time, plenty of room to move around, switch seats, snack car and lots of leg room for Dad!


24 posted on 03/04/2007 8:28:15 AM PST by ABN 505
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To: Condor 63

Then our house would be the least freaky place on earth. My 5 year old loves trains and I am sorry to admit we are spoiling him. Just got another HO gauge train last night. Going to Lowes to get board to put it on. I have to admit that I like them too. Never had one as a kid. My parents thought it was too macho for a girl. More confessions, when he is at school I play with them. (Shhhh don't tell anyone) ;-)


25 posted on 03/04/2007 8:28:54 AM PST by spotbust1 (Gun control is when you use both hands.)
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To: Ready4Freddy; leilani
Geez, girls... I knew there was a reason we didn't let them in the clubhouse! I mean, besides the obvious - cooties!!

Yup. Even though I turned 15 and went crazy for 'em - at 43 years old I'm smart enough to know that at the molecular level they are still icky.

And those true-love comic books they read were just atrocious.

It may be making a comeback.

That really is nice to hear. Computers and Playstations are nice and all but I do sometimes miss the days when kids used their own imaginations to entertain themselves. It made for more interesting kids too IMO. They all seem the same to me now-a-days.

26 posted on 03/04/2007 8:28:56 AM PST by Condor 63
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To: Ready4Freddy

Anyway, girls did cars too, you know. I had a Barbie Car. A big, pink plastic convertible so she & Ken could go to the beach with me. Wasn't motorized though (guess all the cooties would just muck up the transmission, so manual was the way to go!)


27 posted on 03/04/2007 8:30:57 AM PST by leilani
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To: rockrr

Back in the day, my kid sister had a wind up train and wanted electric like me. I traded something to a friend for a beat-up Lionel diesel loco. Took the clockwork out of my sister's engine and jammed the shell down on the Lionel chassis and motor. Gave her some track and a small transformer and she was in business.


28 posted on 03/04/2007 8:34:04 AM PST by Roccus (They're living in the Dark Ages and they act like they own the world. [Dmitri Gredenko])
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To: spotbust1
Then our house would be the least freaky place on earth.

That must be tough to admit in a world where the freakier the better - but I'm damn proud of you and yours. Keep up the good work raising real kids. ;-)

29 posted on 03/04/2007 8:35:31 AM PST by Condor 63
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To: Condor 63
those true-love comic books they read were just atrocious

What the heck were those? We didn't have 'em in my neighborhood. My bros had superman & spidie. I had Barbie & Betty & Veronica. Also was a big fan of Beano, but that was British, IIRC, don't know if you could get it here w/o a transatlantic subscription.

30 posted on 03/04/2007 8:38:14 AM PST by leilani
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To: Condor 63

Can you imagine the display if one of these computer whiz-kids decided to integrate a program with a freight yard set-up? All automatic switching, coupling etc?


31 posted on 03/04/2007 8:38:39 AM PST by Roccus (They're living in the Dark Ages and they act like they own the world. [Dmitri Gredenko])
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To: WV Mountain Mama

Sorry 'bout the cold.

The wiring just takes patience and a steady hand. Things I find to proportionatly decrease as the years increase. LOL!


32 posted on 03/04/2007 8:43:42 AM PST by Roccus (They're living in the Dark Ages and they act like they own the world. [Dmitri Gredenko])
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To: Roccus

You sound like a great big brother.


33 posted on 03/04/2007 8:47:03 AM PST by Let's Roll ("...given the choice between war and dishonor, you chose dishonor - you will have war"- W.Churchill)
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To: Let's Roll

"You sound like a great big brother."

I wouldn't go that far. :)
It didn't stop her from being a brat. Heck, she's 58 now and she's still a brat! LOL!!


34 posted on 03/04/2007 8:51:54 AM PST by Roccus (They're living in the Dark Ages and they act like they own the world. [Dmitri Gredenko])
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To: leilani
What the heck were those?

At the time I thought they were just a nuisance but it turned out they were a harbinger of troubles yet to come.

Romance Comics

35 posted on 03/04/2007 8:52:28 AM PST by Condor 63
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To: Ready4Freddy; All
Wooo hoooo! Love model trains!

When my hubby and I first met, he was BIG into running his model railroad, and I naturally joined in.

We still have our original setup on a big hinged plywood base - you can haul it up to the ceiling on pullies to get it out of the way, or it will fold up. All HO scale.

He was glad when I started helping him, because I am an expert at doing the landscape, houses, stations, etc. I have always been very nearsighted (good for detail!) and I love fiddly work. Our main passenger station is a thing of beauty!

Sadly, after we had our second child we had to disassemble everything and store it in the garage because he needed the train room for his bedroom.

36 posted on 03/04/2007 8:54:10 AM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: leilani
Hehehe, it occurred to me after I posted that you might be too young to remember slot-cars... Guess not... heheheh ;>)

Anyway, girls did cars too, you know.

37 posted on 03/04/2007 8:55:33 AM PST by Ready4Freddy ("Everyone knows there's a difference between Muslims and terrorists. No one knows what it is, tho...)
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To: Roccus
"Can you imagine the display if one of these computer whiz-kids decided to integrate a program with a freight yard set-up? All automatic switching, coupling etc?"

It's all been done. If you have the money you can automate everything. And it is not the hokey automation from the 1950s, but very sophisticated and complex automation of signals and switches that mimics the way real trains are operated. Many train layouts are now run by something called digital command control which is an encoded computer chip using multiplexed ac signals and not your basic dc transformer. The hobby has become very technologically sophisticated in the last 5 years, but also very expensive. A single locomotive engine with digital command control and on-board sound encoders can run from $200 up to several hundred dollars. Hand built brass engines will run into the thousands.
38 posted on 03/04/2007 8:58:31 AM PST by Kirkwood
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To: Condor 63

DANG! I would have so loooooved those! Way cooler than Barbie & Ken!


39 posted on 03/04/2007 8:58:50 AM PST by leilani
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To: Roccus
Much as the "YO-YO Man" who would come to theaters on Sat afternoons, demonstrate and then sell Duncan Yo-Yo's.

Man, I had completely forgotten about that...

Duncan Yo-Yos.

I used to have the one called Satellite or something like that that had the lights on the inside that flashed as you yo-yoed. LOL

Occasionally if your skills weren't up to snuff the thing would get open and the batteries would fly out and pop someone in the head!

40 posted on 03/04/2007 9:05:42 AM PST by Condor 63
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To: Ready4Freddy

Didn't play with 'em (that I recall), but if yall are talking about model cars on racetracks, those have never gone out of style you know. Lots of kids still have 'em. I'm just not sure they're called "slot-cars", at least not here.


41 posted on 03/04/2007 9:07:52 AM PST by leilani
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To: ABN 505; All
Great idea! Here's a few links to trains I've had the pleasure to ride:

Cumbres & Toltec Scenic Railroad

Historic Texas State Railroad from Rusk, Texas to Palestine, Texas

And a good article:

Railroad Rides in New Mexico and Colorado

42 posted on 03/04/2007 9:11:17 AM PST by Ready4Freddy ("Everyone knows there's a difference between Muslims and terrorists. No one knows what it is, tho...)
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To: Condor 63

We didn't have no steeenkin' lights!LOL!
IIRC, the top Duncan model at the time had 4 rhinestones on one side and was made if wood. (Urban legend at the time said that this upset the yo-yo's balance.) In the schoolyard game of "can you top this?" I put a couple of dozen rhinestones on my yo-yo using a center punch and glue. Sparkled like crazy but the sharp edges tore up my fingers!


43 posted on 03/04/2007 9:22:40 AM PST by Roccus (They're living in the Dark Ages and they act like they own the world. [Dmitri Gredenko])
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To: Ready4Freddy; Ramius; ecurbh
My dad's O scale Lionel train at Christmas...


44 posted on 03/04/2007 9:23:29 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Ready4Freddy
The "I have no idea who will be interested in this, but it's probably not you two" PING! lol

Ha! That answers the question of "Gee, I wonder why I was pinged for this post?" LOL! Actually, when my sons were young we used to take them to the model train shows in downtown Denver. My husband had what he calls a "Christmas Garden" around the tree every year with a model train so he likes them, too. There is just something fascinating about those tiny towns with all of their detail! I could sit and watch (often multiple) trains move through the big setups for hours! So- R4F- good guess! :-D

45 posted on 03/04/2007 9:26:55 AM PST by luv2ski
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To: BenLurkin
Whenever I think of model trains I think of Gomez Addams....

I enjoyed watching the trains crashing into each other. Gomez always had the funniest maniacal grin when he crashed his trains.

46 posted on 03/04/2007 9:29:05 AM PST by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: Roccus
Yeah, I had the one with the diamond too. I remember it well - The Imperial.
47 posted on 03/04/2007 9:38:08 AM PST by Condor 63
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To: BenLurkin
Whenever I think of model trains I think of Gomez Addams....

My friends and I would occasionally pool our resources and come up with a "mixed consist" of windup, battery, and power pack locomotives and rolling stock.

The main objective of each get-together was, naturally, cornfield meets. Or in our case, living room carpet meets.

I had a lot of fun, as long as it was the other kids' locos that were involved.

48 posted on 03/04/2007 9:38:28 AM PST by Erasmus (Rage, rage against the dying of the light. Or, get out your 50mm/1.2.)
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To: spotbust1
More confessions, when he is at school I play with them. (Shhhh don't tell anyone) ;-)

Here are some useful linguistic tips which will stand you in good stead if you get caught:

1. They're not "toy trains." They're scale model trains.

2. It's not a "toy train layout." It's a scale model rail system.

3. You never "play with your toy trains." You operate your scale model rail system.

4. "Engine" --> locomotive.

5. "Switch" --> turnout.

--From Sid W Sodnagel's Rules of the Scale Road.

49 posted on 03/04/2007 9:52:04 AM PST by Erasmus (Rage, rage against the dying of the light. Or, get out your 50mm/1.2.)
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To: Erasmus

Lionel "O" and "O27" and American Flyer were not made to scale. IIRC that started with "HO".


50 posted on 03/04/2007 10:02:42 AM PST by Roccus (They're living in the Dark Ages and they act like they own the world. [Dmitri Gredenko])
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