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Two Men Choose Navy As Sentence
Philadelphis Inquirer ^

Posted on 03/05/2007 8:00:45 AM PST by PurpleMan

BELLEFONTE, Pa. - Two 19-year-olds facing probation and community service or even jail time in the shooting of a steer considered a family pet took advantage of another option offered by the judge - joining the Navy.

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Go to jail or go in the military. Are we back in the 50's?

Why is the Navy authorizing this. Criminals erode the service -- period.

1 posted on 03/05/2007 8:00:47 AM PST by PurpleMan
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To: PurpleMan

Sometimes IF you are not a serious felon or just a plain nut job, the military might just be the place to get a youmng man on the right track. Have we become so PC that someone has to be perfect in all they say and do to serve their country? After all look a John EFFING Kerry.

Meadow Muffin


2 posted on 03/05/2007 8:03:17 AM PST by rwgal
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To: PurpleMan
Amen,

Lt. USN ret. (call sign Strange)

3 posted on 03/05/2007 8:03:20 AM PST by strange1 ("Show the enemy harm so he shall not advance" Sun Tzu The Art of War)
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To: PurpleMan

Many courts are sentencing first time misdemeanor or felony offenders to a "boot camp" lasting 5-6 months, in lieu of jail.


4 posted on 03/05/2007 8:05:11 AM PST by CholeraJoe ("The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord shall be born as the seventh month dies.")
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To: PurpleMan

Because he can shoot and we need people to fight this war.


5 posted on 03/05/2007 8:05:30 AM PST by FLOutdoorsman (Hunter/Paul 08)
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To: PurpleMan

Cruelty to animals is how most sadists and serial murderers got started! These guys should be forever barred from the military or any other position of authority such as law enforcement, etc.


6 posted on 03/05/2007 8:05:53 AM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: PurpleMan
I think this is a great idea! These two kids were drunk and stupid, and the cops caught them at it.

Military service would help so many young and aimless men who don't have any direction. And you what...we used common sense on a daily basis back in the 50's. I am hoping it comes back into style!
7 posted on 03/05/2007 8:06:16 AM PST by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

Not applicable in this case. The real issue is their being stupid drunk with loaded guns.


8 posted on 03/05/2007 8:08:50 AM PST by Rb ver. 2.0 (A Muslim soldier can never be loyal to a non-Muslim commander.)
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To: PurpleMan

Have to admit I was kind of an idiot way back when and entered the Army - shaped me up, did my time, got my degree with VEAP. Not saying I'm exactly a model citizen now but I'm not a loser either.


9 posted on 03/05/2007 8:10:16 AM PST by lesko
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To: PurpleMan

Let's see, they come back from shore leave, drunk, wanting to kill something. Then they crawl into the rack next to me. Right... I'm sure to get a good nights sleep!

:-(


10 posted on 03/05/2007 8:10:27 AM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! If you are military please sign at: appealforcourage.org)
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To: rwgal
We're probably the longest maturing of God's creation ... we don't get it together until around our thirties (I have a whole sermon on this also ... think of a 33 year old Jesus).

The world tends to consider and treat a person as an adult waaayyyy before they are and are capable of being so.

The military is just the place to take up where what used to be dad's job, and provides the discipline to continue the maturation process.

I believe it is a wise judge that can discern which go into prison and which go into the military.

11 posted on 03/05/2007 8:13:25 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: rwgal

Used to happen a lot in the mid-late 60s. But it was ARMY that got these guys.


12 posted on 03/05/2007 8:13:38 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: PurpleMan

It will be interesting to find out if the Navy is aware of their criminal behavior and has approved their enlistments. I wouldn't be surprised to find out the Navy is (was) unaware.


13 posted on 03/05/2007 8:13:53 AM PST by Nutmeg08
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To: PurpleMan
Got a letter in the mail...
Said go to war or go to jail...
14 posted on 03/05/2007 8:14:12 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

I said - Cruelty to animals is how most sadists and serial murderers got started!

you said - Not applicable in this case.

We simply disagree.....and the reason I disagree is that I've seen such defects in human character played out in this regard.....in the field, btw.


15 posted on 03/05/2007 8:14:21 AM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: PurpleMan
My daughter was hit by a 17 year old kid who only had his license for less than a week while getting off the schoolbus. He went right through lights, left 110' of rubber skid marks and his car came to a stop at about the back tires or the bus, throwing my daughter about 30' from point of impact.

It took almost a year to get him in front of the judge, and by that time he was almost 18 and came in with his recruiter. I sat their seething while the judge explained that since he was going to go in the navy he would get his military license so it was pointless to take his state license from him. He asked the recruiter if he was a good candidate, and the guy said they would be happy to have him, and he had already took his tests and had a slot picked out.

When the guy said he was going to be an EOD specialist and the kid seemed excited about it. I just grinned, I figure that since my daughter was going to be OK that seemed like a good punishment to me. :-)

16 posted on 03/05/2007 8:14:44 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading the article since 2004)
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To: ishabibble

Drunk and stupid kids who abuse animals (what lowlifes) in the military?

We're going to arm these morons? Maybe they can be stationed in Okinawa and continue the recent Marine tradition:

http://www.estripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=42900&archive=true

http://www.estripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=42783&archive=true


17 posted on 03/05/2007 8:14:49 AM PST by PurpleMan
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To: FLOutdoorsman

testing


18 posted on 03/05/2007 8:15:22 AM PST by Nutmeg08
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To: lesko

Yep.

I wasn't told to by a judge but I knew it time to get out of "Dodge." The Army didn't do bad by me and I didn't do bad by the Army.


19 posted on 03/05/2007 8:15:56 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: PurpleMan

Wow. This is wonderful news. I thought the ACLU ushered this valuable form of alternative sentencing out a long time ago.

Military, through sentencing like this, has saved many a young poor boy this way.


20 posted on 03/05/2007 8:16:07 AM PST by RinaseaofDs (Ignorance should be painful)
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To: Nutmeg08

??


21 posted on 03/05/2007 8:17:39 AM PST by FLOutdoorsman (Hunter/Paul 08)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
Cruelty to animals is how most sadists and serial murderers got started! These guys should be forever barred from the military or any other position of authority such as law enforcement, etc.

Shooting an animal is not "cruelty," otherwise there would be millions of hunters in this country going to jail.

22 posted on 03/05/2007 8:18:30 AM PST by Junior (Losing faith in humanity one person at a time.)
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To: rwgal
I'm with you. I have a cousin that needs a swift kick. Military would be *perfect* for him. A little size 12 motivation from a DI would be the perfect answer.

His Mom disagrees. "No child of mine is going to....yadda yadda yadda." No wonder the kid has discipline issues. And of course, no Dad on the scene.

I had another cousin who just got done his second hitch in Iraq - he's doing training in Kuwait, now. AND - I distinctly remember his father threatening that "He's 17 and if I have my say he might not make it to 18 if he gets in trouble like that again." The Army straightened his stuff out in good shape, he's a fine young man, now.

23 posted on 03/05/2007 8:18:57 AM PST by wbill
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

My father stole a car in 1953 and they sent him to the USMC.
My brother stole a car in 1981 and the Air Force took him.

I never stole a car and went Army, all the way !
Didn't need a judge or nothin' ;)


24 posted on 03/05/2007 8:19:28 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: PurpleMan
JAKE HOLMAN (Steve McQueen): "So I started swinging. I forgot he was wearing glasses and I put out his eye. So the judge says, 'Army, Navy, reform school.'"

MISSIONARY (Candace Bergen): "Why did you chose the Navy?"

HOLMAN: "Well, there ain't much water in Utah."

-- The Sand Pebbles, 1966

25 posted on 03/05/2007 8:19:56 AM PST by pabianice (LLY)
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To: PurpleMan

The military may actually save these boys, but I would recommend sending them to the Marines. The Marines accept less crap and instill more discipline.

Before getting flamed, I am saying this as a prior member of the Navy attached to the Marines for 4 years.


26 posted on 03/05/2007 8:20:06 AM PST by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Used to happen a lot in the mid-late 60s. But it was ARMY that got these guys.

----------------------------------------------

'Joint or join'.......I know two guys who ended up in Vietnam that way.

27 posted on 03/05/2007 8:21:00 AM PST by wtc911 (I would like at least to know his name...)
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To: PurpleMan

Probably the best thing for them. Marine Corps Boot Camp is lots of fun too.


28 posted on 03/05/2007 8:22:00 AM PST by SF Republican
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To: PurpleMan
In Centre County (Bellefonte is the county seat), after they built the new jail, it was realized that the contractor forgot to install the wood shed out back, so the judges are having to improvise.
29 posted on 03/05/2007 8:22:52 AM PST by Herakles (Diversity is code word for anti-white racism)
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To: PurpleMan

I think this was wonderful of the judge to give them this alternative. The story says they shot the steer while looking for deer. It is a very short article and doesn't give a lot of details. So, this could have been a careless accident.


30 posted on 03/05/2007 8:24:25 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: dangerdoc
The military may actually save these boys, but I would recommend sending them to the Marines. The Marines accept less crap and instill more discipline.

I agree. One guy in my platoon was given the choice of jail or the Marines for a manslaughter charge. If anyone can straighten someone out, it's the Marine Corps. Semper Fi.

31 posted on 03/05/2007 8:28:36 AM PST by AlaskaErik (Everyone should have a subject they are ignorant about. I choose professional corporate sports.)
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To: Nutmeg08

How about Rear Admiral Kilkenny, Commander, Naval Recruiting Command? 901-874-9018

How about the Master Chief Petty Office of the Navy (MCPON)?
703-614-5643

Ya think they'd care


32 posted on 03/05/2007 8:29:34 AM PST by PurpleMan
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To: PurpleMan

IS CONSCRIPTION A FORM OF SLAVERY?
AND, IF SO, WHAT ABOUT A LITTLE JUDICIAL COERCION THROWN IN???

http://www.furl.net/item.jsp?id=17265159
http://www.furl.net/item.jsp?id=17265159

I, for one, have always blindly assumed that it has been a good thing that the courts assisted recruiting by throwing some business our way. After all, how bout all those retired Marines--colonels even, etc.--who claimed that that was their path into the Corps!

Back in the Old Corps, many of us entering Parris Island, were kids from the lower socio-economic areas of America--an America that no longer exists, BTW. Today, the services only accept even the non--HS graduates that they do accept because they are forced to do so. I would like to see the armed forces go back to that, myself.

The question of the draft/conscription being a form of slavery, however, is widely addressed, and countless essays on this are posted to Ms Google. I have cited only one above--and I think that question and topic is worthy of attention.
S/Fidelis
D1ckG
~~~~~


33 posted on 03/05/2007 8:30:12 AM PST by gunnyg
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To: PurpleMan

When I joined the Marine Corps in the early 70's, there were alot of Marines that enlisted because they were ordered to by a judge. The choice was either 4 years in prison or 4 years in the Marines. The results were disastrous as you can imagine.

Semper Fi'
Jarhead


34 posted on 03/05/2007 8:30:45 AM PST by Buffettfan (VIVA LA MIGRA! - LONG LIVE THE MINUTEMEN!)
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To: PurpleMan

They shot a family pet and the Navy will take them? I cannot believe this. These are disturbed people - the perps, that is.


35 posted on 03/05/2007 8:31:36 AM PST by twonie (RUDY FOR PRESIDENT '08. THERE - A COMMITMENT OUT LOUD.)
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To: PurpleMan

Maybe it's just me, but I don't think the Navy (or any of our other armed forces) needs these losers.
I spent twenty-five years in the Navy and saw what happened when miscreants like these two reached the fleet. Not pretty.
As far as I'm concerned, I don't want these losers around the fine men and women that have voluntarily joined our armed forces and a doing a great job. They have enough problems to deal with right now.


36 posted on 03/05/2007 8:35:18 AM PST by Stoigo
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
"Used to happen a lot in the mid-late 60s. But it was ARMY that got these guys."

That has changed. If a person tries to enlist rather than go to jail, they are automatically DISQUALIFIED! It may happen on occasion, but if it does, the kid lied or the recruiter hid it.
37 posted on 03/05/2007 8:38:22 AM PST by MPJackal ("If you are not with us, you are against us.")
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To: PurpleMan
I knew a guy this happened to in the 90s. Going 130 on the highway, had to set up a roadblock to stop him. They were not amused. Now it's time for the Navy theme song!

Where can you find pleasure, search the world for treasure, learn science, technology?
Where can you begin to make your dreams all come true on the land or on the sea?
Where can you learn to fly, play in sports or skindive, study oceanography?
Sign up for the big band or sit in the grand stand when your team and others meet.

In the Navy, yes, you can sail the seven seas.
In the Navy, yes, you can put your mind at ease.
In the Navy, come on now people, make a stand.
In the Navy, can't you see we need a hand.
In the Navy, come on, protect the motherland.
In the Navy, come on and join your fellow, man.
In the Navy, come on, people, and make a stand.
In the Navy, in the Navy.

38 posted on 03/05/2007 8:39:44 AM PST by jordan8
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To: knarf
I believe it is a wise judge that can discern which go into prison and which go into the military.

Apparently this judge allowed them a choice as to what branch of the military they served in. Typically, a judge has the court call the local Marine recruiter telling him/her that they have a new prospective recruit ready to sign on the dotted line.

39 posted on 03/05/2007 8:39:55 AM PST by BluH2o
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To: Nutmeg08

USAF won't take you if you have a conviction or are on deferred adjudication or disposition, as it's considered "the moral equivalent of a finding of guilt". Of course, we've always been more selective (he says, donning his Kevlar and yelling, "INcoming!!")

Colonel, USAFR


40 posted on 03/05/2007 8:40:19 AM PST by jagusafr (The proof that we are rightly related to God is that we do our best whether we feel inspired or not")
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To: PurpleMan
Great examples!

Do you have the link to the story of the mid-20's one prep school, four universities, no degree, ended up a bouncer in an Irish bar in Boston, no sense of discipline, shameless womanizer young man who found himself and a higher purpose in the United States Marine Corps? I have the link. I am his mother. My son is USMC proudly serving his third tour in Iraq (home in SIX days!).

There is nothing that my husband and I did not try in order to get this boy's life moving. He just would not comply. He never caused any trouble, he loved the bar life, the pretty easy girls, his drunken bum roommates, he just was one of those very nice guys that will never do a damn thing except be the life of the party. He joined the USMC in the days after 9/11 and he found what he was supposed to be in this life. The Marines gave him something that no amount of parenting, education, or social advantage could have given him, a sense of self and the strength and discipline that is so necessary for a man. My son is a Marine. I am so very proud of him.

Why not let the Navy give these two kids the same chance?
41 posted on 03/05/2007 8:49:07 AM PST by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: jagusafr

"USAF won't take you if you have a conviction or are on deferred adjudication or disposition"

or have a more than 10 handicap. :>)


42 posted on 03/05/2007 8:57:07 AM PST by PurpleMan
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To: ishabibble

Thank your son for his service from a former US Navy veteran.

God Bless!!!

Ibheath


43 posted on 03/05/2007 8:58:34 AM PST by ibheath (I liked America better when the threats to our freedom came exclusively from abroad.)
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To: ishabibble

"Why not let the Navy give these two kids the same chance? ...He never caused any trouble."

The other morons are criminals


44 posted on 03/05/2007 8:58:44 AM PST by PurpleMan
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To: PurpleMan

You may be right, but how many kids have entered some branch of the service as smart-ass selfish toadstools and come out decent men.


45 posted on 03/05/2007 9:01:41 AM PST by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

When I took over my MARINE CORPS squad in 1967 Viet Nam, I was the only man in the squad who had enlisted of his own free will, without a "judge" offering me a choice. I had the best squad in the whole Bn.

One of my guys was a moonshiner. When it came time to do something, these guys were great to get it done so they could screw off. Best "com-shaw" artists around. Could scrounge whatever the Bn. needed.


46 posted on 03/05/2007 9:08:52 AM PST by stumpy
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To: PurpleMan
"Criminals erode the service -- period."

Amen. I didn't think we were going back to that "jail or the army" that was common when I was growing up.

Carolyn

47 posted on 03/05/2007 9:12:46 AM PST by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: PurpleMan
If you read the article, you will see that neither of these young men were the ones who fired at the cow. The bottom of the article mentions that sentence of the one who did, and who was tried separately. I think that the judge realized that these two guys were just being drunken idiots and that they really weren't out to cause any harm.
Did you ever do anything incredibly stupid when you were 19 yrs. old? I did, many times. The judge in this case has given those boys a second chance, and now it is up to them to make the most of it. Again, I think it's a great idea.
48 posted on 03/05/2007 9:18:41 AM PST by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

"Used to happen a lot in the mid-late 60s. But it was ARMY that got these guys."




And the navy, that is how my brother entered the navy in 1965.



49 posted on 03/05/2007 9:21:22 AM PST by ansel12 (America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.)
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To: PurpleMan
I had a guy in my platoon in VN, where I was the platoon sgt, he had been given the option of going in the Army or go to jail after being convicted of statutory rape. He was a worthless coward. However, I have known a lot of other men given the same option and ended up retiring from the service.

Some people need a chance in life and others will still turn out no good, but at least they had their chance.
50 posted on 03/05/2007 9:23:32 AM PST by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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