Skip to comments.Two Men Choose Navy As Sentence
Posted on 03/05/2007 8:00:45 AM PST by PurpleMan
BELLEFONTE, Pa. - Two 19-year-olds facing probation and community service or even jail time in the shooting of a steer considered a family pet took advantage of another option offered by the judge - joining the Navy.
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Why is the Navy authorizing this. Criminals erode the service -- period.
Sometimes IF you are not a serious felon or just a plain nut job, the military might just be the place to get a youmng man on the right track. Have we become so PC that someone has to be perfect in all they say and do to serve their country? After all look a John EFFING Kerry.
Lt. USN ret. (call sign Strange)
Many courts are sentencing first time misdemeanor or felony offenders to a "boot camp" lasting 5-6 months, in lieu of jail.
Because he can shoot and we need people to fight this war.
Cruelty to animals is how most sadists and serial murderers got started! These guys should be forever barred from the military or any other position of authority such as law enforcement, etc.
Not applicable in this case. The real issue is their being stupid drunk with loaded guns.
Have to admit I was kind of an idiot way back when and entered the Army - shaped me up, did my time, got my degree with VEAP. Not saying I'm exactly a model citizen now but I'm not a loser either.
Let's see, they come back from shore leave, drunk, wanting to kill something. Then they crawl into the rack next to me. Right... I'm sure to get a good nights sleep!
The world tends to consider and treat a person as an adult waaayyyy before they are and are capable of being so.
The military is just the place to take up where what used to be dad's job, and provides the discipline to continue the maturation process.
I believe it is a wise judge that can discern which go into prison and which go into the military.
Used to happen a lot in the mid-late 60s. But it was ARMY that got these guys.
It will be interesting to find out if the Navy is aware of their criminal behavior and has approved their enlistments. I wouldn't be surprised to find out the Navy is (was) unaware.
I said - Cruelty to animals is how most sadists and serial murderers got started!
you said - Not applicable in this case.
We simply disagree.....and the reason I disagree is that I've seen such defects in human character played out in this regard.....in the field, btw.
It took almost a year to get him in front of the judge, and by that time he was almost 18 and came in with his recruiter. I sat their seething while the judge explained that since he was going to go in the navy he would get his military license so it was pointless to take his state license from him. He asked the recruiter if he was a good candidate, and the guy said they would be happy to have him, and he had already took his tests and had a slot picked out.
When the guy said he was going to be an EOD specialist and the kid seemed excited about it. I just grinned, I figure that since my daughter was going to be OK that seemed like a good punishment to me. :-)
Drunk and stupid kids who abuse animals (what lowlifes) in the military?
We're going to arm these morons? Maybe they can be stationed in Okinawa and continue the recent Marine tradition:
I wasn't told to by a judge but I knew it time to get out of "Dodge." The Army didn't do bad by me and I didn't do bad by the Army.
Wow. This is wonderful news. I thought the ACLU ushered this valuable form of alternative sentencing out a long time ago.
Military, through sentencing like this, has saved many a young poor boy this way.
Shooting an animal is not "cruelty," otherwise there would be millions of hunters in this country going to jail.
His Mom disagrees. "No child of mine is going to....yadda yadda yadda." No wonder the kid has discipline issues. And of course, no Dad on the scene.
I had another cousin who just got done his second hitch in Iraq - he's doing training in Kuwait, now. AND - I distinctly remember his father threatening that "He's 17 and if I have my say he might not make it to 18 if he gets in trouble like that again." The Army straightened his stuff out in good shape, he's a fine young man, now.
My father stole a car in 1953 and they sent him to the USMC.
My brother stole a car in 1981 and the Air Force took him.
I never stole a car and went Army, all the way !
Didn't need a judge or nothin' ;)
MISSIONARY (Candace Bergen): "Why did you chose the Navy?"
HOLMAN: "Well, there ain't much water in Utah."
-- The Sand Pebbles, 1966
The military may actually save these boys, but I would recommend sending them to the Marines. The Marines accept less crap and instill more discipline.
Before getting flamed, I am saying this as a prior member of the Navy attached to the Marines for 4 years.
'Joint or join'.......I know two guys who ended up in Vietnam that way.
Probably the best thing for them. Marine Corps Boot Camp is lots of fun too.
I think this was wonderful of the judge to give them this alternative. The story says they shot the steer while looking for deer. It is a very short article and doesn't give a lot of details. So, this could have been a careless accident.
I agree. One guy in my platoon was given the choice of jail or the Marines for a manslaughter charge. If anyone can straighten someone out, it's the Marine Corps. Semper Fi.
How about Rear Admiral Kilkenny, Commander, Naval Recruiting Command? 901-874-9018
How about the Master Chief Petty Office of the Navy (MCPON)?
Ya think they'd care
IS CONSCRIPTION A FORM OF SLAVERY?
AND, IF SO, WHAT ABOUT A LITTLE JUDICIAL COERCION THROWN IN???
I, for one, have always blindly assumed that it has been a good thing that the courts assisted recruiting by throwing some business our way. After all, how bout all those retired Marines--colonels even, etc.--who claimed that that was their path into the Corps!
Back in the Old Corps, many of us entering Parris Island, were kids from the lower socio-economic areas of America--an America that no longer exists, BTW. Today, the services only accept even the non--HS graduates that they do accept because they are forced to do so. I would like to see the armed forces go back to that, myself.
The question of the draft/conscription being a form of slavery, however, is widely addressed, and countless essays on this are posted to Ms Google. I have cited only one above--and I think that question and topic is worthy of attention.
When I joined the Marine Corps in the early 70's, there were alot of Marines that enlisted because they were ordered to by a judge. The choice was either 4 years in prison or 4 years in the Marines. The results were disastrous as you can imagine.
They shot a family pet and the Navy will take them? I cannot believe this. These are disturbed people - the perps, that is.
Maybe it's just me, but I don't think the Navy (or any of our other armed forces) needs these losers.
I spent twenty-five years in the Navy and saw what happened when miscreants like these two reached the fleet. Not pretty.
As far as I'm concerned, I don't want these losers around the fine men and women that have voluntarily joined our armed forces and a doing a great job. They have enough problems to deal with right now.
Where can you find pleasure, search the world for treasure, learn science, technology?
Where can you begin to make your dreams all come true on the land or on the sea?
Where can you learn to fly, play in sports or skindive, study oceanography?
Sign up for the big band or sit in the grand stand when your team and others meet.
In the Navy, yes, you can sail the seven seas.
In the Navy, yes, you can put your mind at ease.
In the Navy, come on now people, make a stand.
In the Navy, can't you see we need a hand.
In the Navy, come on, protect the motherland.
In the Navy, come on and join your fellow, man.
In the Navy, come on, people, and make a stand.
In the Navy, in the Navy.
Apparently this judge allowed them a choice as to what branch of the military they served in. Typically, a judge has the court call the local Marine recruiter telling him/her that they have a new prospective recruit ready to sign on the dotted line.
USAF won't take you if you have a conviction or are on deferred adjudication or disposition, as it's considered "the moral equivalent of a finding of guilt". Of course, we've always been more selective (he says, donning his Kevlar and yelling, "INcoming!!")
"USAF won't take you if you have a conviction or are on deferred adjudication or disposition"
or have a more than 10 handicap. :>)
Thank your son for his service from a former US Navy veteran.
"Why not let the Navy give these two kids the same chance? ...He never caused any trouble."
The other morons are criminals
You may be right, but how many kids have entered some branch of the service as smart-ass selfish toadstools and come out decent men.
When I took over my MARINE CORPS squad in 1967 Viet Nam, I was the only man in the squad who had enlisted of his own free will, without a "judge" offering me a choice. I had the best squad in the whole Bn.
One of my guys was a moonshiner. When it came time to do something, these guys were great to get it done so they could screw off. Best "com-shaw" artists around. Could scrounge whatever the Bn. needed.
Amen. I didn't think we were going back to that "jail or the army" that was common when I was growing up.
"Used to happen a lot in the mid-late 60s. But it was ARMY that got these guys."
And the navy, that is how my brother entered the navy in 1965.