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High-altitude helicopter training restricted
Rocky Mountain News ^ | March 5, 2007

Posted on 03/05/2007 1:10:11 PM PST by george76

The Colorado Army National Guard will maintain its annual high-altitude helicopter training on Bureau of Land Management and U.S. Forest Service lands in Eagle and Garfield counties at 3,000 hours.

The Guard also has agreed to additional stipulations in order to protect wilderness areas, wildlife and livestock, the White River National Forest and BLM announced today.

The military believes high-altitude combat training is vital for the protection of pilots and aircrews. In combat, aircrews trained in high-altitude aviation have a higher mission success rate as well as fewer accidents.

As such, the Army had asked for 6,000 hours that could spend training in the High-Altitude Army Aviation Training Site area around Gypsum.

Decrease significantly the number of landings within... the recommended wilderness areas.

(Excerpt) Read more at rockymountainnews.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; US: Colorado; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aerospace; afghanistan; army; armyaviation; armynationalguard; aviation; blm; colorado; forestservice; helicopter; helicopterpilots; highaltitude; nationalguard; pilots; us; usforestservice; usfs
They support the troops...

just not American troops.

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1 posted on 03/05/2007 1:10:13 PM PST by george76
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To: girlangler; proud_yank; Carry_Okie

Here they go again...managing our public lands as if Congress had acted.



2 posted on 03/05/2007 1:12:13 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

"The military believes high-altitude combat training is vital for the protection of pilots and aircrews. In combat, aircrews trained in high-altitude aviation have a higher mission success rate as well as fewer accidents."

Absolutely true. Plain old mishaps account for more than 2/3 of the helo losses in combat zones. The high-altitude LXs in Afghanistan are esoecially challenging.

TC


3 posted on 03/05/2007 1:13:54 PM PST by Pentagon Leatherneck
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To: colorado tanker; BIGLOOK; Unrepentant VN Vet; freema; Myrddin; JB in Whitefish; RightWhale
No she does not.

"We all understand and respect the need for this training, and the three agencies sat down to work through potential issues while keeping in mind the important goals of the Colorado National Guard," said White River National Forest Planner Wendy Haskins. ...

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4 posted on 03/05/2007 1:16:49 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

High altitude maneuvers has what to do with parks?


5 posted on 03/05/2007 1:18:32 PM PST by wastedyears ( Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: Pentagon Leatherneck; SierraWasp; Issaquahking

The Forest Service does not care much for supporting the pilots training.

They have been trying to close these areas for decades.

This is just their latest attempt.


6 posted on 03/05/2007 1:20:30 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: wastedyears
High altitude maneuvers has what to do with parks?

National Forests, actually. That's where the high altitude terrain is in these parts.

7 posted on 03/05/2007 1:25:25 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: wastedyears; KeyLargo

Wendy Haskins and her friends have been trying to kick us off our public lands for decades.

This forest area is high altitude and apparently excellent for flight training...and not a national park.





8 posted on 03/05/2007 1:25:31 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
I suppose they want to keep the military out so they can turn more land over to Boulder greenies to go backpacking in.
9 posted on 03/05/2007 1:28:15 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker; jan in Colorado

Wendy and her friends would love to have the greenies take over.

I thought that Scott McInnis had put a congressional hold on this longterm training area years ago. He was passionate about allowing the military to have permanent access to high quality training at altitude. He knew that it was very important for the pilots and crews to train at altitude.

If the army needs 6,000 hours then Wendy and friends should shut up and go away.



10 posted on 03/05/2007 1:35:20 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Pentagon Leatherneck

Can the Army push back for the 6,000 hours ?

Durning this global war, they should have priority ?


11 posted on 03/05/2007 1:37:22 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
If the army needs 6,000 hours then Wendy and friends should shut up and go away.

Yepper!

BTW, did the Air Force ever find that bomb that was missing when the A-10 pilot crashed his plane a few years ago?

12 posted on 03/05/2007 1:38:29 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

The Air Force was very quiet about what they found.

I never heard many details other than they spent lots of time over a couple years looking around.


13 posted on 03/05/2007 1:41:17 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
Have the moose been protected?
14 posted on 03/05/2007 1:41:37 PM PST by SGCOS
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To: wastedyears
High altitude maneuvers has what to do with parks?

Many of the high altitude landing locations are on mountain tops within BLM land, national forest or national parks. Those are the only locations on U.S. soil that are suitable for training our helicopter pilots for similar demands in places like Afghanistan.

15 posted on 03/05/2007 1:44:42 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: george76
The Forest Service thinks they OWN the land. They have gone so far as to dig tank traps into roads in Idaho to prevent people from accessing their own property. Bureaucrats gone wild.
16 posted on 03/05/2007 1:47:14 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin

Maybe Mauna Loa? All that requires is a bottle of rum for Pele...


17 posted on 03/05/2007 1:51:41 PM PST by null and void ("It is not your aptitude, but your attitude that determines your altitude." - Rev. Ike)
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To: colorado tanker

IIRC, the bombs were still on the plane. It's a big if, though...


18 posted on 03/05/2007 1:52:54 PM PST by null and void ("It is not your aptitude, but your attitude that determines your altitude." - Rev. Ike)
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To: SGCOS

They have been introducing lots of moose.

A least hundreds...maybe thousands ?

None have been hit that I know of ?


19 posted on 03/05/2007 1:55:30 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: colorado tanker
I suppose they want to keep the military out so they can turn more land over to Boulder greenies to go backpacking in.

Personally, I'd be thrilled if I was backpacking and wandered into a helo training exercise... provided it wasn't "live fire", it'd be more exciting than watching a deer chomp flowers.
20 posted on 03/05/2007 1:59:02 PM PST by SpinnerWebb (Islam... if ya can't join 'em, beat 'em.)
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To: Myrddin

"Bureaucrats gone wild..."

The Forest Service have been 'vacating' allotments that were active since the 1800's knowing that the ranchers and herders would go broke in a few years.

The Hollywood Ted Turner crowd is pleased.


21 posted on 03/05/2007 2:00:13 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: null and void; george76

It would be fun to "embed" Wendy and a few of her pals with some pilots in Afghanistan to see how high altitude flying and rescue works.


22 posted on 03/05/2007 2:03:49 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: SpinnerWebb
You and me both. Actually, some of the campgrounds are close to commercial air routes, so it's pretty common to see and hear commercial jets up there. Every now and then you see one going a lot faster than the rest - those are fun.
23 posted on 03/05/2007 2:07:16 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

Her friends apparently do not need a helicopter to get high.


24 posted on 03/05/2007 2:10:37 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

I wonder if Mike Johanns of the US Department of Agriculture knows about this.


25 posted on 03/05/2007 5:39:36 PM PST by James W. Fannin
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To: george76

FIRE Wendy and her agency pals right away, let them go off to commune with fellow enviro-wankers.

Yeah, they support the troops....... must be the Taliban they have in mind......


26 posted on 03/05/2007 5:44:41 PM PST by Enchante (Chamberlain Democrats embraced by terrorists and America-haters worldwide!!)
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To: george76


'They did what to our air show?'

27 posted on 03/05/2007 6:43:05 PM PST by BIGLOOK (Keelhauling is a sensible solution to mutiny.)
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To: James W. Fannin; Colorado Doug; Diana in Wisconsin

Please tell the USDA.

Ever since Bill Clinton sent in Martha K. as supervisor this forest has ignored the foresters, biologists...

Their political agenda is to ignore science and to ignore the concept of 'Land of Many Uses.' They work overtime to close as many acres as possible. They constantly manage huge areas 'as' if Congress had declared 'wilderness' .

One example of these eco-nut proposed travel rules related to travel management. The propsal was to restrict one person per mile camping; thus a family had to put each kid a mile away from the parents who also had to camp a mile apart. And there were many other stupid proposals.

They do not need a helicopter to get high.


28 posted on 03/05/2007 6:54:56 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Grampa Dave

29 posted on 03/05/2007 7:31:54 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: All; george76

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NEVER FORGET



Lifesaver Helicopter Pilot extraordinaire:


..BRUCE CRANDALL = Medal of Honor..

http://www.ArmchairGeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48215



NEVER FORGET

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30 posted on 03/05/2007 7:43:35 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: colorado tanker
Bombs; four MK-82s.


31 posted on 03/05/2007 7:43:39 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Thanks.

I do not understand how some mid level liberal in the forest service can deny the army their needed training hours and also their locations.


32 posted on 03/05/2007 8:48:00 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: colorado tanker
[Boulder greenies to go backpacking in.]

I went home over last summer and found large portions of the rock walls I used to frequent in Eldorado Canyon over 20 years ago are now mostly closed to climbing.  They were closed due to "Environmental concerns" related to birds that nest on the rock walls.
 
I don't know what their problem is with Helicopter training at high altitude - especially this time of year.   Spring is still months away above the timber line and everything is still covered with snow. 
 
You're right about the people's republic of Boulder though.  They'll do anything they can do to monkey-wrench the military.

33 posted on 03/05/2007 10:04:47 PM PST by VxH (There are those who declare the impossible - and those who do the impossible.)
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To: VxH
I went home over last summer and found large portions of the rock walls I used to frequent in Eldorado Canyon over 20 years ago are now mostly closed to climbing. They were closed due to "Environmental concerns" related to birds that nest on the rock walls.

In the greenies' world, animals run free everywhere, while people are corralled.

34 posted on 03/06/2007 7:13:14 AM PST by thulldud ("Para inglÚs, oprima el dos.")
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