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Addition or subtraction?: Ann Coulter and the conservative crossroads
Townhall.com ^ | March 7, 2007 | Michael Medved

Posted on 03/07/2007 6:28:29 AM PST by MadIvan

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To: Rummyfan

"Recruitment of gays? How many of them are there, and how many bother to vote?"

It's right there in the article.

"In fact, exit polls showed that self-identified gay people made up 4% of the total electorate in the incomparably close election of 2000, and nearly one third of those homosexual voters cast their ballots for George W. Bush."

If this is actually right, that would be more than 4 million homosexuals voting.


21 posted on 03/07/2007 6:40:45 AM PST by gracesdad
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To: MadIvan
*** No further comment required. ****

Yes there is. Michael Medved can bite me.




22 posted on 03/07/2007 6:42:00 AM PST by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a Right Wing 'Gun Nut' Extremist)
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To: NewCenturions
Ann and my sense of humour is somewhat different. I wouldn't have called Edwards gay - because it's pretty clear he isn't. What he actually is (an ambulance chasing leech attached to tbe buttocks of the body politic), is bad enough, and indeed, risible enough.

Regards, Ivan

23 posted on 03/07/2007 6:42:27 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: MadIvan
Medved - We need to RECRUIT MORE Latinos, Gays, and Blacks!

Absolute nonsense. Conservatives need to state conservative principles and any person in agreement should join us. Medved sounds like Howard Dean. Medved thinks the border guards got exactly what they deserved which melds nicely with his stand on open borders! Please, the guy is a pompous movie critic.

24 posted on 03/07/2007 6:42:39 AM PST by Doc Savage ("You couldn't tame me, but you taught me.................")
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To: OldFriend
Liberals have their own litmus test: you must be socialist, be for higher taxes, for gun control and 100% pure on the Holy Grail before which all good liberals kneel: abortion. Dissent from that last position is simply quashed. If there's a movement that brooks no real diversity of views, its our opponents. They're the ones who invented political correctness, have enforced speech codes and prosecuted their political enemies. Besides that record, Ann Coulter's transgression is small potatoes.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

25 posted on 03/07/2007 6:42:52 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Condor51
Yes there is. Michael Medved can bite me.

It is somewhat amusing how many people seem willing to step up and prove Medved's point without realising they're doing it.

Ivan

26 posted on 03/07/2007 6:43:14 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: MadIvan

Faggot is not a forbidden slur.

It is quite common in art and literature, it is a slang word among youth of the last few decades, and it is also a description of a particular type of gay....the flaming, flamboyent, uber effeminate variety.

Personally, I don't have it at the high end of the Outrageous Word Scale. It's probably about a 5 or 6. The "N" word is a 10.

FWIW, Elton John gladly supported Eminem's work that was laced with the word faggot.


27 posted on 03/07/2007 6:43:55 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: Doc Savage
Conservatives need to state conservative principles and any person in agreement should join us.

In recent days, I've seen arguments about how conservative goals can be achieved descend into accusations that one side is merely "traitorous liberals" in disguise. In terms of conservatives eating their own, Medved has a point.

As to the recruitment point - I would take at least some of that seriously. Without the African American vote, no Democrat can win the Oval Office.

Ivan

28 posted on 03/07/2007 6:44:53 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: Rummyfan
Recruitment of gays? How many of them are there, and how many bother to vote?

He claims that 4% of voters are homosexual and if that applies to the general population then there are 12,000,000 queers in the USA. I don't believe that number or anything close to it. That would mean that 4,000,000 voters in the last general election were gay.

29 posted on 03/07/2007 6:44:54 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: cripplecreek

I think that we need to stop expending so many resources during political campaigns courting "minority" votes. They absolutely won't vote for us and even after all the effort we only move the bar a few percentage points.

On the flip side of the coin, by pandering to such groups like illegal immigrants we wind up losing those that have been known to easily vote for us in the past, i.e. the Reagan coalition. This includes rural voters, blue collar voters, white catholic voters, and even suburban women. A platform of safety and security, capitalism and traditional values might lose a small number of voters that are unlikely to vote R anyway. But the reverse will wind up causing all of the others who are larger in numer and more apt to voting R, to disert the party. (2006 election)


30 posted on 03/07/2007 6:45:03 AM PST by red meat conservative
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To: goldstategop

So when your kid gets into trouble and he tells you that the other kids did worse......you say......oh, okay then?


31 posted on 03/07/2007 6:46:23 AM PST by OldFriend (Swiftboating - Sinking a politician's Ship of Fools by Torpedoes of Truth)
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To: Doc Savage
I can't believe I heard Mike right: how are we going to gain recruits from Democrat-leaning groups without watering down conservatism? When we stand against open borders, the gay agenda and reverse racism, we offend people in each of those groups. We could abandon our views but once we do that we alienate our own base. Becoming more like the Democrats isn't the answer to our plight.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

32 posted on 03/07/2007 6:47:13 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: MadIvan

Good point, Ivan.

Calling people names may be gratifying for a moment, but any long term gain by doing so is hardly ever in evidence.


33 posted on 03/07/2007 6:47:32 AM PST by RexBeach
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To: MadIvan

You don't understand the meaning of the word nor the context she was using it in. Yet, you have no problem accepting the definition handed to you by the Left. Do you really think you can play another man's game by his rules and win?

Thank God for people like Ann - to paraphrase a great man, "We can't spare this woman - she fights."


34 posted on 03/07/2007 6:49:54 AM PST by PajamaTruthMafia
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To: MadIvan
The problem is that there are a group of people - albeit a minority - who are very willing to call in the Inquisition against any perceived heresy.

And you are not seeing what is going on. The problems isn't those saying she shouldn't have said it. I, for one, think the joke flopped (and it was not a smear aimed at homosexuals, btw, but a reference to speech codes, the Isaiah Washington incident and Edward's metrosexuality).

The problem is those demanding she be driven from polite company, (actually be made to grovel apologetically then driven from polite company) while, Edwards, who has actually hired and defended true bigots gets a pass. While Joe Wilson -- a proven liar and arguably a traitor-- gets a basically innocent man convicted of a crime and is given a movie deal. While, liars and smear artists like Michael Moore and Al Gore get Oscars.

I'm sick of it.

Keep fighting Annie!! Never apologize!!

35 posted on 03/07/2007 6:52:21 AM PST by Tribune7 (A bleeding heart does nothing but ruin the carpet)
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To: RexBeach
What Ann said was a matter of personal opinion. She's NOT making policy. One can say she shouldn't have said it. We live in a country where people are free to say it was in bad taste. Now its time to move on.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

36 posted on 03/07/2007 6:52:31 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia
You don't understand the meaning of the word nor the context she was using it in. Yet, you have no problem accepting the definition handed to you by the Left. Do you really think you can play another man's game by his rules and win?

This is politics we are talking about. Sometimes the appearance of a thing is just as important as what actually is. Discretion, modesty and courtesy are virtues, not signs of weakness.

Yes, it may not be fair, but life isn't fair. Everyone over the age of seven gets used to this.

Ivan

37 posted on 03/07/2007 6:52:36 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: MadIvan
Vote for a liberal, and you'll get more liberalism.
Don't vote (D/L). Don't vote (R/L). Don't vote for a letter of the alphabet.
Vote for a philosophy.
Vote for a Conservative, and you'll get more Conservatism.

You'll get what you voted for. Vote wisely.

38 posted on 03/07/2007 6:54:02 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Tribune7
The two things are disconnected. We are supposed to operate at a higher standard than the liberals - that's one of the reasons why I signed up for conservatism - partially because they are base, venal and disgusting.

We should not ape their behaviour - particularly when our vocabulary is much better than theirs and can be used to deadlier effect.

Regards, Ivan

39 posted on 03/07/2007 6:54:06 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: concerned about politics
I'd ask you to refrain from copying and pasting slogans. Thank you kindly.

Ivan

40 posted on 03/07/2007 6:55:03 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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