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Catholic Newspaper Tells Anti-Abortion Voters Not to Support Giuliani ^ | March 7, 2007

Posted on 03/07/2007 1:41:55 PM PST by madprof98

A Catholic newspaper is telling readers that Catholics shouldn't support White House hopeful Rudy Giuliani because of his support for allowing women access to abortions.

The National Catholic Register's editorial urges anti-abortion voters to choose another candidate other than Giuliani.

"A Republican party led by a pro-abortion politician would become a pro-abortion party," according to the editorial that appears on the Web site and is set to appear next week in the newspaper's print edition.

Editors say "they hope that pro-lifers will 'be reasonable,' not let the perfect be the enemy of the good, and go along quietly," but "we won't."

"When they ask us to 'be reasonable' and go along with a pro-abortion leader, they assume that there is something unreasonable about the pro-life position to start with," the editors wrote. "We’re sorry, but we don’t see what is so unreasonable about the right to life.

"What looks supremely unreasonable to us is that we should trust a leader who not doesn’t only reject the right to life but even supports partial-birth abortion, which is more infanticide than abortion," according to the editorial.


"Would a pro-abortion president give us a pro-life Supreme Court justice? Maybe he would in his first term. But we’ve seen in the Democratic Party how quickly and completely contempt for the right to life corrupts. Even if a President Giuliani did the right thing for a short time, it’s likely the party that accepted him would do the wrong thing for a long time," the editorial reads.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: catholic; giuliani; rudy; rudy2008
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To: AZRepublican
Yeah, they want to support Hillary instead, and see another ACLU lawyer elevated to the SCOTUS.

Ask me this: Why should conservatives have to compromise all the time? None of the Democrats running for President are pro-life or pro-gun.

101 posted on 03/07/2007 3:51:44 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Good night Chesty, wherever you are!)
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To: LtdGovt

Disregard the title of the thread. Like FR, things go off-topic pretty quickly. Also - there are many non-Catholics there, as well as all flavors of the Catholic rainbow. Overall, the Catholic posters are on the more orthodox side.

102 posted on 03/07/2007 3:54:56 PM PST by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Howard Dean was pro-gun (believe it or not). Bill Richardson is pro-gun.

103 posted on 03/07/2007 3:56:44 PM PST by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: Patriotic1

Thank you!

104 posted on 03/07/2007 3:57:02 PM PST by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: CWOJackson

True, but I think that Dem loyalty is strong with many people i.e. 'my grandparents voted Dem, and so do I. They're the party of the working man'. People aren't quick to recognize change.

There's a thread at focused on the Bishops, communication, and pro-abortion politicians running there now:

I think it's fascinating reading, because there are so many knowledgeable and opinionated posters there (just like here).

105 posted on 03/07/2007 3:58:26 PM PST by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: Patriotic1

communication = communion

106 posted on 03/07/2007 3:59:22 PM PST by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: Patriotic1

Excellent. So has this publication that is telling Catholics they cannot support Guliani been doing the same thing for the last fifty years regarding the pro-abortion Catholics that keep getting reelected?

107 posted on 03/07/2007 4:01:40 PM PST by CWOJackson
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To: madprof98

Rudy Toot is toast. Pro-Abortion, Anti-Gun; forget it.

108 posted on 03/07/2007 4:07:41 PM PST by TigersEye (For Democrats; victory in Iraq is not an option!)
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To: CWOJackson

Considering how many Catholics in NY have already voted for Rudy, I'd say Rome is doing little more than preaching to the choir.

109 posted on 03/07/2007 4:09:56 PM PST by zook
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To: CWOJackson

I don't subscribe to the National Catholic Register, but I have read issues of it every now and then. I won't be at all surprised if they gave Kerry a very hard time in 2004.

110 posted on 03/07/2007 4:11:07 PM PST by Chesterbelloc
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To: madprof98; Liz; calcowgirl; dirtboy; A. Pole; hedgetrimmer; Alberta's Child
Well well welll......

Please note...Rudy have been duly warned.

The last thing the Republican party needs is a schism...among people who are some of the most dedicated voters AND campaign workers.

Reading through some of these threads, I see people who are trying to sell Rudy using high pressure sales techniques, the way a discount appliance salesman sells a refrigerator.

I'm offended by insults my intelligence...and this is way too early in the campaign cycle to declare anyone a defacto winner. Let the campaigns run...let the debates air...let the ads be run...let the candidates get out and make their case before the voters.

This is what it means to be a Democratic Republic...not a nation like Saddam's Iraq, or North Korea....where elections are decided well in advance of actually casting votes.

We don't operate like that here in the US.

The logic of 'Rudy vs Hillary'...only he can win... is based on NAME RECOGNITION POLLS...of people who may not even vote, let alone volunteer, work the polls, work phone banks, put out campaign signs and literature...AND donate money.

One of the reasons that G Bush defeated Kerry handily in 04 was the crossover effect of Catholics, evangelicals (particularly BLACKS), misc groups like the AMISH, Orthodox Jews etc., who turned out and made the difference, particularly in the flow down to the other repubs on the ticket. I don't recall the exact exit polling data sources, but we discussed it at length on FR at that time, and I made several posts regarding it.

The net result of all this...I recall the Repubs picked up seats in 04, defying conventional political expectations.

The political analysis Ive seen to date on Rudy is what I would call static one dimensional analysis, it hasnt, IMHO, taken into account all of the complex issues and factors that get molded and shaped in peoples minds during the course of debates, and campaigns.

Issues like leadership, personality, likeability, charisma, perceived character, integrity, and judgement.

All of these can be molded and influenced by the MSM to suit the Dems...if the candidate is weak or vulnerable in any of those areas. The Dems use the MSM, along with designated good cop / bad cop players, to play BOTH sides of issues, you see.

This is a multidimensional, dynamic process folks...not a static snapshot in time based on peoples perceptions of past 9-11.

Just stop...think...consider the possibilities..

You will see this process unfold in the coming months...
111 posted on 03/07/2007 4:23:41 PM PST by Dat Mon (Apply the same standards to THIS Justice Department as you once did to the Clinton Justice D.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
I am not advocating for conservatives to compromise, but merely consider the alternatives. I am less concerned with a pro-choice, anti-gun candidate who belives his views belong a local issue and not a federal issue than I am with a liberal nutcase who would want to further empower the courts and the legislative branch to force their agenda on everyone. I rather take my chances with the mayor appointing Reagan conservatives to the court then with any Democrap who would only appoint someone who would consider Roe respectable law.
112 posted on 03/07/2007 4:25:04 PM PST by AZRepublican ("The degree in which a measure is necessary can never be a test of the legal right to adopt it.")
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To: Dat Mon

Thank you for the voice of sanity.

I wholeheartedly agree.

113 posted on 03/07/2007 4:27:51 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: ex-snook

Santorum was beaten by Casey a pro-life Democrat.

That's exactly what I said. Conservative Republicans can win in PA if they aren't running against a pro-life Democrat.

114 posted on 03/07/2007 5:53:52 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Duncan Hunter: pro-life, pro-2nd Amendment, pro-border control, pro-family)
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To: JohnnyZ
The Church has taken a clear and vocal stand on life issues.

Yeah, so what? I said, 'As a label, "Catholic" is even more meaningless than "Republican"' And I am right. Take for example the Catholic doctrine on abortion, it is pro-life. But folks like Rudy call themselves Catholic and yet they support the "right" abortion. Hell, Ted Kennedy and John Kerry have the "Catholic" label. It has come to mean next to nothing, not so much because of the church itself, but because of the cafeteria-style approach of the majority of its members. I suppose that the Church is at least partially responsible for tolerating this approach.

Just last week, the local newspaper had a picture of a local lady painting a pro-Hilary sign for her recent visit to Dubuque. This lady is employed by the bishop as some head of child protection, or some such position. Now why would the church tolerate that? Where is your "clear and vocal stand" when it counts?

115 posted on 03/07/2007 6:23:57 PM PST by shempy (EABOF in '08)
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To: LtdGovt
Howard Dean was pro-gun (believe it or not). Bill Richardson is pro-gun.

If Richardson is the Dem nominee, and several folks feel he might be the darkhorse, there is a more than decent chance that the NRA might endorse him. That will be enough for him to win. The GOP really needs to find a pro-gun candidate or they're in major league trouble.

116 posted on 03/07/2007 6:40:27 PM PST by jmc813 (Rudy Giuliani as the Republican nominee is like Martin Luther being Pope.)
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To: latina4dubya
i think the Catholic Church must come out against pro-abortion candidates... however, it seems to me that this is the first time they've done so... why start with Guiliani?

This is certainly not the first time a candidate has been opposed by the Catholic Church over this issue (it may not have been mentioned as pointedly in print, but the priests certainly got the message across). However, if this is somehow new to your diocese, I have a better question: Why NOT start with Giuliani?

117 posted on 03/07/2007 6:52:15 PM PST by Charles Martel (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: shempy
I would hazard to guess that upwards of 90% of Catholics are closet protestants in that they don't follow the Catholic doctrine. Not out of ignorance, but out of choice. They feel no need to obey the church, yet they still consider themselves to be catholic.

As a label, "Catholic" is even more meaningless than "Republican".

Actually, the label that fits them most appropriately is "heretic."

St. Thomas (II-II:11:1) defines heresy: "a species of infidelity in men who, having professed the faith of Christ, corrupt its dogmas". "The right Christian faith consists in giving one's voluntary assent to Christ in all that truly belongs to His teaching. There are, therefore, two ways of deviating from Christianity: the one by refusing to believe in Christ Himself, which is the way of infidelity, common to Pagans and Jews; the other by restricting belief to certain points of Christ's doctrine selected and fashioned at pleasure, which is the way of heretics. The subject-matter of both faith and heresy is, therefore, the deposit of the faith, that is, the sum total of truths revealed in Scripture and Tradition as proposed to our belief by the Church. The believer accepts the whole deposit as proposed by the Church; the heretic accepts only such parts of it as commend themselves to his own approval. The heretical tenets may be ignorance of the true creed, erroneous judgment, imperfect apprehension and comprehension of dogmas: in none of these does the will play an appreciable part, wherefore one of the necessary conditions of sinfulness--free choice--is wanting and such heresy is merely objective, or material. On the other hand the will may freely incline the intellect to adhere to tenets declared false by the Divine teaching authority of the Church. The impelling motives are many: intellectual pride or exaggerated reliance on one's own insight; the illusions of religious zeal; the allurements of political or ecclesiastical power; the ties of material interests and personal status; and perhaps others more dishonourable. Heresy thus willed is imputable to the subject and carries with it a varying degree of guilt; it is called formal, because to the material error it adds the informative element of "freely willed".

118 posted on 03/07/2007 7:03:25 PM PST by Frank Sheed ("Shakespeare the Papist" by Fr. Peter Milward, S.J.)
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To: JohnnyZ

God bless! Me either!

119 posted on 03/07/2007 7:04:40 PM PST by Frank Sheed ("Shakespeare the Papist" by Fr. Peter Milward, S.J.)
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To: LtdGovt

The Church teaches that certain things are simply "non-negotiable" as Pope Benedict stated just recently. Others are to be matters of conscience.

Abortion is "non-negotiable." The killing of an unborn baby is a most hideous form of homicide.

120 posted on 03/07/2007 7:09:49 PM PST by Frank Sheed ("Shakespeare the Papist" by Fr. Peter Milward, S.J.)
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