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Young manager harassing Baby Boomer leads to EEOC fine
Oregon live ^ | 3/7/07 | Brent Hunsberger

Posted on 03/07/2007 2:34:46 PM PST by qam1

What happens when a twenty-something manager tells an older worker to turn up her hearing aid or take an herbal memory medicine? In this Oregon case, it got the employer in trouble with the feds.

Scott and Patty Corp., formerly Woodburn Fertilizer, Inc., agreed recently to pay Carolyn Arzino, a former longtime 55-year-old accounting secretary, $85,000 to settle age discrimination claims brought by the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.

The case arose, agency trial attorney Teri Healy told The Oregonian, from the actions of a female manager in her 20s, who criticized Arzino's work, telling her, among other things, that she should take ginkgo biloba, an herbal memory tonic, and turn up the volume on her Miracle Ear.

The manager gave Arzino a poor performance evaluation, withheld her raise and placed her on a 30-day probation before firing her on July 20, 2004, according to the EEOC's complaint. But EEOCs investigation revealed that Arzinos coworkers said she was an exceptional performer.

Scott and Patty Corp. denied liability.

This case, noted EEOC district director Joan Ehrlich, illustrates a phenomenon of today's workplace: It spans four generations -- Millennials, Gen Xers, Baby Boomers and the last of the Silent Generation born before the end of World War II -- and their members don't always speak the same language or work quite the same way. Employers need to be aware and sensitive to those dynamics.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: babyboomer; genx; lawsuits; tortreform
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1 posted on 03/07/2007 2:34:50 PM PST by qam1
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To: qam1
I'll be going to jail I suppose....

I love busting on baby-boomers: the young, dumb hippies who became old, dumb hippies....

2 posted on 03/07/2007 2:38:29 PM PST by Cogadh na Sith (There's an open road from the cradle to the tomb.)
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To: qam1

"a female manager in her 20s, who criticized Arzino's work, telling her, among other things, that she should take ginkgo biloba, an herbal memory tonic, and turn up the volume on her Miracle Ear."

Ordinarily I might sympathize with a company who is held responsible for something that ONE manager did but in this case you have to wonder how a company could be foolish enough to give a women like this who is only in her 20's that kind of power - you suspect she had to be related to someone in power to have climbed to a management position at that age with such a hateful outlook.


3 posted on 03/07/2007 2:38:39 PM PST by onevoter
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To: qam1; ItsOurTimeNow; PresbyRev; Fraulein; StoneColdGOP; Clemenza; m18436572; InShanghai; xrp; ...
Xer Ping

Ping list for the discussion of the politics and social (and sometimes nostalgic) aspects that directly effects Generation Reagan / Generation-X (Those born from 1965-1981) including all the spending previous generations are doing that Gen-X and Y will end up paying for.

Freep mail me to be added or dropped. See my home page for details and previous articles.

5 posted on 03/07/2007 2:39:23 PM PST by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: rocksblues

bump for later


6 posted on 03/07/2007 2:40:24 PM PST by rocksblues (Do unto others as they do unto you!)
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To: qam1
The manager gave Arzino a poor performance evaluation, withheld her raise and placed her on a 30-day probation before firing her on July 20, 2004, according to the EEOC's complaint. But EEOCs investigation revealed that Arzinos coworkers said she was an exceptional performer.

And where was the manager's boss and/or HR in all this? In my last position I had responsibility for about 60 people, and there's no way I could enact any of these actions without the approval of my boss and HR.

8 posted on 03/07/2007 2:40:58 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: onevoter

20 is the new 40.


9 posted on 03/07/2007 2:42:49 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: Cogadh na Sith

The greatest generation that spent the social security surplus.


10 posted on 03/07/2007 2:43:39 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: Cogadh na Sith

"I'll be going to jail I suppose....
I love busting on baby-boomers: the young, dumb hippies who became old, dumb hippies...."

Me and you both


11 posted on 03/07/2007 2:43:41 PM PST by Toggameid
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To: qam1

When asked how she felt about the settlement, Ms. Arzino said, "What?"


12 posted on 03/07/2007 2:45:59 PM PST by SampleMan (Islamic tolerance is practiced by killing you last.)
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To: qam1

But I thought have woman managers would make the workplace more civil.


13 posted on 03/07/2007 2:47:20 PM PST by art_rocks
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To: qam1

Please add me to your xer list


14 posted on 03/07/2007 2:49:11 PM PST by Toggameid
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To: qam1

I don't know, I'm a female and was supervisor (not manager but supervised a floor of 10-25 call center operators) and a lot of times I supervised people 2x my age. (I was 18-20 during that time.) I would have never spoken to someone the way this manager did - it's disrespectful and in poor taste. I certainly had some difficult people to work with who didn't like having a supervisor half their age, but I respected them and they learned that I was okay and knew what I was doing. /end rant


15 posted on 03/07/2007 2:52:15 PM PST by arizonarachel (Lord, thank you for this miracle!)
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To: ibheath

bump for later ref


16 posted on 03/07/2007 2:54:56 PM PST by ibheath (I liked America better when the threats to our freedom came exclusively from abroad.)
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To: arizonarachel

RE #15

This is exactly what I was thinking. This 20 something suffers from an extreme lack of manners. Disrespect seems to be the cornerstone of today's youth.


17 posted on 03/07/2007 2:57:57 PM PST by proudmilitarymrs (It's not immigration, it's an invasion!)
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To: Cogadh na Sith

Careful son, many of us here are old enough to be your father, and some your grandfather (mothers and grandmothers too)


18 posted on 03/07/2007 3:00:56 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: qam1
a female manager in her 20s, who criticized Arzino's work, telling her, among other things, that she should take ginkgo biloba, an herbal memory tonic, and turn up the volume on her Miracle Ear.

A$$holes come in all shapes, sizes, ages and sexes. They also come in all creeds and colors. A$$holes are universal.

19 posted on 03/07/2007 3:02:57 PM PST by Pontiac (Patriotism is the natural consequence of having a free mind in a free society.)
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To: qam1

"Get off your butt and do some work you hippie scum! And no more using the color printer to make ANSWER communist posters!"


20 posted on 03/07/2007 3:06:10 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: qam1

I am really surprised...finally, the EEOC actually did something to help someone who was definitely and outrageously discriminated against. The EEOC sides with the employer in 99.9% of the cases they hear.


21 posted on 03/07/2007 3:12:42 PM PST by pray4liberty (= >^..^< = Cat Lover)
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To: Pontiac

So true and there are lots of them everywhere.


22 posted on 03/07/2007 3:13:58 PM PST by packrat35 (Beware the Big Government Republicans!)
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To: knarf
Careful son, many of us here are old enough to be your father, and some your grandfather (mothers and grandmothers too)

Amen. There's some baby boomers here, but we're not all hippies.

23 posted on 03/07/2007 3:15:24 PM PST by pray4liberty (= >^..^< = Cat Lover)
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To: BurbankKarl
The greatest generation that spent the social security surplus.

You younguns ain't too swift. If you were, you'd know that social security is penny ante stuff. Take a look at what medicare is going to cost you. How's your back feelin, sonny? Stay strong. You've got a load to carry. :-)

24 posted on 03/07/2007 3:15:57 PM PST by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: qam1

let that be a lesson. Don't trust anyone under thirty.


25 posted on 03/07/2007 3:17:03 PM PST by bilhosty (to hell with ABCNNBCBS)
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To: qam1

The twenty-something manager is a jerk, end of story.


26 posted on 03/07/2007 3:17:24 PM PST by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Championship U)
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To: Racehorse

Oh, I had a back surgery when I was 18...it hasnt been the same since!


27 posted on 03/07/2007 3:18:03 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: Cogadh na Sith
There are a lot more baby boomers who served this country and quite a few are on THE WALL. Most of that generation are still working, still producing, and still very effective. Unfortunately many have tended to spoil their children and we are feeling the consequences.
28 posted on 03/07/2007 3:19:52 PM PST by lag along
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To: qam1

That's one 20-something that won't remain a manager for long. Likely not with the company for long either. Youthful stupidity.


29 posted on 03/07/2007 3:21:17 PM PST by OB1kNOb (After 20+ LONG years, a REAL conservative I can support 4 President - DUNCAN HUNTER '08)
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To: Cogadh na Sith
I love busting on baby-boomers: the young, dumb hippies who became old, dumb hippies....

And those boomers among us who were never the former and certainly not the latter, suggest you take up a real hobby.

30 posted on 03/07/2007 3:22:27 PM PST by prairiebreeze (I am PRO-VICTORY!!)
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To: BurbankKarl
Oh, I had a back surgery when I was 18...it hasnt been the same since!

I have great sympathy. I hurt mine on the flightline stupidly trying to help a crew chief wrestle an F-4 external fuel tank. Ouch.

I recovered after awhile, but I still remember how it felt and how long it took to heal.

R.

31 posted on 03/07/2007 3:27:24 PM PST by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: qam1

See, the mistake that was made here was that the manager should have
"eliminated the position" instead of "firing" the employee.
These young inexperienced managers ...
they just don't know anything about how the system works.


32 posted on 03/07/2007 3:29:10 PM PST by Repeal The 17th
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To: Toggameid; Cogadh na Sith
"'I'll be going to jail I suppose....
I love busting on baby-boomers: the young, dumb hippies who became old, dumb hippies....'

Me and you both"

You sound like some girly boys to me. A lot of us boomers are treacherous old bastards. Mind your manners, or you'll be lucky to make it to the jail.

Say, have you two been exchanging autographed photos of John Edwards?
33 posted on 03/07/2007 3:34:29 PM PST by Brucifer (JF'n Kerry- "That's not just a paper cut, it's a Purple Heart!")
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To: knarf; Cogadh na Sith
"Careful son, many of us here are old enough to be your father, and some your grandfather (mothers and grandmothers too)"

Yup. And, we aren't going to leave you anything in our will.

34 posted on 03/07/2007 3:35:11 PM PST by blam
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To: Cogadh na Sith
I love busting on baby-boomers: the young, dumb hippies who became old, dumb hippies....

Most of us boomers were never hippies. And the boomer Vietnam vets might come looking for you over that ...

35 posted on 03/07/2007 3:44:57 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (Never try to teach a pig to sing -- it wastes your time and it annoys the pig)
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To: Toggameid

What the hell are you and Cogadh na Sith talking about? Just because you are a young dumb ass and will become and old dumb ass doesn't mean the woman who was fired was anything but a fine worker.
Why don't you take that mouth of yours and try busting, one on one with some baby boomers of the combat variety.


36 posted on 03/07/2007 3:46:21 PM PST by em2vn
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To: pray4liberty
I am really surprised...finally, the EEOC actually did something to help someone who was definitely and outrageously discriminated against. The EEOC sides with the employer in 99.9% of the cases they hear.

That's of course assuming this story as reported is entirely true and/or in context

But I got to ask, why is this a federal case? The feds have this little to do that they can investigate a simple workplace dispute like this?

37 posted on 03/07/2007 4:03:38 PM PST by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: em2vn

Dont wet your depends. Those things cost money.


38 posted on 03/07/2007 4:04:32 PM PST by Toggameid
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To: art_rocks
But I thought have woman managers would make the workplace more civil.

Mrs Magslinger would argue against that. She would much rather work for a man than a woman. She says that the backbiting is much worse with a woman in charge. With limited experience of working for women, I find that hard to believe, but I take her word for it and count my blessings.

39 posted on 03/07/2007 4:05:53 PM PST by magslinger (Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make up something good.)
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To: Cogadh na Sith
I love busting on baby-boomers: the young, dumb hippies who became old, dumb hippies....

Somewhat like Ann Coulter, I fear I might be banned if I told someone that he talked like a man with a paper anus. So I won't.

40 posted on 03/07/2007 4:12:31 PM PST by Stentor
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To: qam1
But I got to ask, why is this a federal case? The feds have this little to do that they can investigate a simple workplace dispute like this?

Federal workplace discrimination laws were passed by Congress at a time when state governments could not be trusted to enforce equal rights -- often as not, they were as guilty as any company they were supposed to regulate. You could make a case that the EEOA, and a lot of other federal civil rights laws, are no longer necessary, and that the states could take over that duty -- but politically, no one's gonna want to touch that.

41 posted on 03/07/2007 4:31:32 PM PST by ReignOfError (`)
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To: Cogadh na Sith

The odds are pretty good that a "longtime 55-year-old accounting secretary" was never a hippie, just a longtime productive worker.


42 posted on 03/07/2007 4:34:38 PM PST by Tribune7 (A bleeding heart does nothing but ruin the carpet)
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To: qam1
But I got to ask, why is this a federal case? The feds have this little to do that they can investigate a simple workplace dispute like this?

It is the EEOC's job to enforce Federal law in employment disputes where discrimination occurs due to someone's age, race, sex or religion.

For more information, contact EEOC.gov.

43 posted on 03/07/2007 4:53:47 PM PST by pray4liberty (http://totallyunjust.tripod.com)
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To: qam1

I'd like to know the context in which these were delivered. If it's during an evaluation and as an excuse for substandard work the employee says;

1. "I'm having trouble remembering things" then the herbal suggestion would have been helpful.

2. "I'm a having trouble hearing things"

Do you have a hearing aid?

"Yes, it's a miracle Ear."

Try turning it up.

Having been involved with the EEOC in the past, unless you are part of a protected minority being a business person is the same as being guilty.


44 posted on 03/07/2007 4:55:51 PM PST by Bob J (RIGHTALK.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
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To: Toggameid

I was never a "hippy" and was born in 1960, which makes me a "baby boomer", right? You going to "bust" on me, friend?


45 posted on 03/07/2007 5:14:05 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Newt Gingrich/John Bolton 2008)
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To: qam1

I remember a temporary assignment that I went on in early 1998, where I had to do data entry for a law firm. My boss and co-workers were great...except for one 20-something-looking female, who wanted to boss me and other people around big-time, but sucked up like crazy to the management (judging from the one time I saw such an interaction). I hope she has a better attitude these days.


46 posted on 03/07/2007 5:25:15 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (The Republican primary field SUCKS!!!)
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To: Cogadh na Sith
I love busting on baby-boomers: the young, dumb hippies who became old, dumb hippies....

The boomers in highly skilled positions are very carefully filtering those who will follow in our footsteps. If "busting on baby boomers" is your style, be assured that you won't be among the select few that are mentored to replace us when we are ready to retire.

47 posted on 03/07/2007 5:30:14 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: onevoter

Well, there are two other ways she could have gotten the manger's position. One is, she was qualified. That doesn't seem to be the case. The other involves extreme friendliness with a male superior.


48 posted on 03/07/2007 5:30:56 PM PST by SALChamps03
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To: SauronOfMordor
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49 posted on 03/07/2007 5:45:03 PM PST by rocksblues (Do unto others as they do unto you!)
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To: Myrddin
My sister just left a managerial position because she found after four years of riding herd on 20-somethings her blood pressure was up, she had acid reflux, and she was having bouts of insomnia.

Her opinion? "When the Baby Boomers retire there are going to be a lot of businesses that go bankrupt."

50 posted on 03/07/2007 5:51:29 PM PST by Miss Marple (Prayers for Jemian's son,: Lord, please keep him safe and bring him home .)
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