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SF May Ban Plastic Grocery Bags
WKMG TV NEWS ^ | 3-8-2007

Posted on 03/08/2007 2:08:18 PM PST by Cagey

SAN FRANCISCO -- Paper or plastic won't mean the same for shoppers in San Francisco if some city supervisors get their way.

A proposal up for consideration next week would prohibit large grocers from using regular plastic bags. Supporters of the ban say the bags eat up fossil fuels, litter the streets and choke wildlife.

The measure would require grocery stores to offer only bags made of recyclable paper, plastic that can be turned into compost, or sturdy cloth or plastic that can be reused.

The proposed ban has the support of San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom. But it's opposed by the California Grocers Association as potentially doing more damage to the environment.

President Peter Larkin said confused consumers would wind up mixing biodegradable bags with regular plastic bags in recycling bins, thereby contaminating recycled plastic.


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1 posted on 03/08/2007 2:08:19 PM PST by Cagey
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To: Cagey

It's nice to see Newsome doing something productive with his time instead of making headlines with his personal life.


2 posted on 03/08/2007 2:10:10 PM PST by voltaires_zit (Government is the problem, not the answer.)
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To: Cagey

Twenty years ago, shoppers were encouraged to use plastic bags, they were even forced on you in some stores, all this in the Name of " Save a tree"...


3 posted on 03/08/2007 2:10:57 PM PST by JoanneSD
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To: Cagey
LOL!

I remember when they banned paper bags!

Obviously, we are headed into a repeat of the "Global Ice Age of the 1970s".

4 posted on 03/08/2007 2:11:16 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: voltaires_zit

You call this liberal left wing lunacy "productive"?


5 posted on 03/08/2007 2:12:15 PM PST by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: Cagey
However stupid this is, paper bags are better. We need to find a use for the lousy trees the government is growing so that the USFS can start over.
6 posted on 03/08/2007 2:14:34 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The fourth estate is the fifth column.)
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To: Cagey

If they want to reduce the unnecessary use of plastice bags, they can have people pay for the bags, say 5 cents per bag.


7 posted on 03/08/2007 2:15:09 PM PST by paudio (WoT is more important than War on Gay Marriage!)
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To: Cagey

I'm glad to hear that. I really don't care about newsome at all and could care less what he thinks about the idea cause it is not his idea and not HIS world.

That said...I love the idea and hope it catches on around the country. I personally am sick and tired of seeing plastic bags stuck in trees and plastered up against fences with names of stores on them. Let's go back to paper. It's the best.

I'm sure with today's technology they could do something so that the plastics wouldn't be mixed up in the recycle bins.


8 posted on 03/08/2007 2:15:48 PM PST by cubreporter
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To: jveritas

> You call this liberal left wing lunacy "productive"?

I don't think this is liberal left wing lunacy.


9 posted on 03/08/2007 2:15:59 PM PST by voltaires_zit (Government is the problem, not the answer.)
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To: Cagey

I prefer the plastic and I reuse them till they fall apart. Also plastic recycles more cleanly than paper. I don't know about biodegradable plastic. Is it really clean or is it just out of sight out of mind?


10 posted on 03/08/2007 2:15:59 PM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: Cagey

I guess that hefty grocery bag tax they imposed a while back did not do the trick. Why don't they just ban groceries? They do far more damage to the environment then bags.

Dear Lord, why do I think I gave them an idea!?!


11 posted on 03/08/2007 2:16:28 PM PST by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by their fruity little club.)
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To: cripplecreek
Me too, all my grocery bags double as um >cough< poo bags for my pooch.
12 posted on 03/08/2007 2:17:37 PM PST by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by their fruity little club.)
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To: Cagey

fags but no plastic bags


13 posted on 03/08/2007 2:18:04 PM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Cagey
What about all the people walking around breathing? They just use the air once -- then they put a bunch of CO2 into it. Why not make everyone wear a SCUBA rebreather? If you can't afford a rebreather, you could just breathe into plastic bags -- or just wear one over your head until you nearly pass out -- then tie it to hold the CO2 for collection. The bags could be opened in greenhouses, or taken to a facility for sequestering in old oil fields.
14 posted on 03/08/2007 2:18:45 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Carry_Okie

I like plastic bags. They fit my kitchen trash can. Sometimes, when the bags run low, I go to the supermarket and buy some items and bag them myself. You would be surprized at how many bags it takes to bring home the groceries.


15 posted on 03/08/2007 2:19:00 PM PST by lafroste (gravity is not a force. See my profile to read my novel absolutely free (I know, beyond shameless))
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To: finnman69

Fox News this went through all the nutty things that is floating around the state.


16 posted on 03/08/2007 2:19:08 PM PST by Paul8148
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To: JoanneSD
Yup. We'll be cutting down more trees.

Like the global warming goofs who think that all will be solved if we simply stop using fossil fuels.

We'll all just burn more wood, etc. to stay warm. Need a MrFusion for my car, though.

Heck, we can even eat the protected prairie dogs if we get really hungry.

Humans come first.
18 posted on 03/08/2007 2:19:33 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: cripplecreek

I use plastic bags for my trash, I never buy trashbags.

I bet ther energy reuired to cut down trees and manufacture paper is much more wasteful than the energy required to manufacture plastic bags.


19 posted on 03/08/2007 2:19:56 PM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Cagey
The measure would require grocery stores to offer only bags made of recyclable paper

Isn't most paper recyclable? Or perhaps they meant recycled paper? Idiots.

20 posted on 03/08/2007 2:20:08 PM PST by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: Cagey
But it's opposed by the California Grocers Association as potentially doing more damage to the environment.

Facts, schmacks. It's how you feeeeel that counts.
21 posted on 03/08/2007 2:20:26 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (I have a big carbon footprint and I'm not afraid to use it.)
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To: Cagey

How do plastic bags 'choke' wildlife?


22 posted on 03/08/2007 2:21:31 PM PST by lesko
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To: Cagey

Is it possible to ban San Francisco?


23 posted on 03/08/2007 2:21:34 PM PST by Altura Ct.
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To: Cagey

Canvas bags are nice, but if you put meat in them or if you end up with some of our famous contaminated food and you don't wash your bags you could have some issues on your next purchase. People don't like to spend time washing grocery bags.


24 posted on 03/08/2007 2:22:17 PM PST by AmericanChef
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To: Carry_Okie
However stupid this is, paper bags are better. We need to find a use for the lousy trees the government is growing

Can't use the trees. Those are Algore's carbon credit offsets.

25 posted on 03/08/2007 2:22:38 PM PST by Arrowhead1952 (This tag line has no carbon credit offsets for sale.)
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To: Cagey

US should ban SF.


26 posted on 03/08/2007 2:22:46 PM PST by snowrip (Liberal? YOU HAVE NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT. Actually, you lack even a legitimate excuse.)
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To: Cagey

Supporters of the ban say the bags eat up fossil fuels, litter the streets and choke wildlife.
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This is as good as the global warming scam -- the mentally-challenged liberals of San Freakcisco just keep getting better.


27 posted on 03/08/2007 2:22:55 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: Cagey
I love the plastic grocery bags. I get the store to double bag my groceries and when I get home, I save the bags.

When I have enough bags saved up, I have a big, plastic bag bonfire. They make pretty colors and lots of smoke.

28 posted on 03/08/2007 2:23:25 PM PST by SIDENET (Now selling carbon offsets. Get some today!)
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To: cripplecreek

I have a feeling California will outlaw plastic and paper within the next four or five years.

29 posted on 03/08/2007 2:23:25 PM PST by Cagey
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To: Cagey

I know a guy who owns one of the few paper bag plants left. This will be welcome news to him.


30 posted on 03/08/2007 2:23:37 PM PST by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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To: Cagey

I knew that when IKEA announced they would no longer provide plastic bags to their customers that the environmental socialists would take the cue through government restriction.


31 posted on 03/08/2007 2:23:42 PM PST by jonrick46
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To: Balding_Eagle
If I remember correctly - and I do - :) Global cooling was the impetus for catalytic converters, et al.

And exactly what fossil fuel is consumed by the manufacture of plastic bags. - I thought that they were made from the byproducts of petroleum distillation?

Of course, they don't teach "facts" anymore.
32 posted on 03/08/2007 2:24:05 PM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: Cagey

Plastic bags are bad, plastic boobs and botox and condoms, okay. Geez.


33 posted on 03/08/2007 2:24:19 PM PST by dforest (Liberals love crisis, create crisis and then dwell on them.)
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To: Carry_Okie

At least with paper bags the sackers didn't put one item in each bag.


34 posted on 03/08/2007 2:24:42 PM PST by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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To: EagleUSA

Yep, we gotta be liberal. The latest liberal thing is about plastic bags? I remember when stores switched away from paper bags to save the trees. So it was liberal then to use plastic and not paper. Now to be a good liberal you have to avoid plastic?

What does it take to be a good liberal? How can we keep up with the latest liberal trends?


35 posted on 03/08/2007 2:24:55 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: SIDENET

LOL!


36 posted on 03/08/2007 2:24:58 PM PST by Cagey
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To: Arrowhead1952

> Can't use the trees. Those are Algore's carbon credit offsets.

Maybe it's another underhanded move in the fight to legalize cannabis, since hemp paper is produced from an annual crop, is acid free, and requires less energy to produce?


37 posted on 03/08/2007 2:26:08 PM PST by voltaires_zit (Government is the problem, not the answer.)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
If you can't afford a rebreather, you could just breathe into plastic bags -- or just wear one over your head until you nearly pass out -- then tie it to hold the CO2 for collection.

Why not just hold it over your head until you die?

38 posted on 03/08/2007 2:26:19 PM PST by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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To: dhs12345

Ya know, Reagan told us that trees were the primary cause of air pollution. Turns out he was right about that too.


39 posted on 03/08/2007 2:27:23 PM PST by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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To: Gabz

ping


40 posted on 03/08/2007 2:28:07 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: lesko
How do plastic bags 'choke' wildlife?

Good question. The closest I saw wildlife being choked this past year was that deer running around with a pumpkin stuck on his head.

41 posted on 03/08/2007 2:28:37 PM PST by Cagey
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

CO2 in the atmosphere amounts to someting like .03 percent.


42 posted on 03/08/2007 2:28:41 PM PST by Radix (Money is speech!)
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To: Carry_Okie

Paper bags are harder to handle. I can carry four plastic bags packed with groceries with one hand. Try doing that with paper. And, every single one goes to the recycle plastic bag bin at my grocery store. What is so hard about plastic bag recycling?


43 posted on 03/08/2007 2:28:45 PM PST by jonrick46
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To: Fstrt5
"Fags not Bags!"

Oh man, don't get all Ann Coulter on us.....giggle
44 posted on 03/08/2007 2:28:52 PM PST by Kimmers
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To: voltaires_zit; jveritas
I don't think this is liberal left wing lunacy.

That's pretty telling. Anything the increases government control of our lives smacks of leftism. There are more important issues to deal with than plastic grocery bags.

45 posted on 03/08/2007 2:30:43 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: ichabod1
That would be one way to demonstrate your sincerity about the dangers of global warming.
46 posted on 03/08/2007 2:31:49 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: cripplecreek

I use all those plastic grocery bags in my little wastepaper baskets around the house. Very convenient for bagging up the trash.


47 posted on 03/08/2007 2:31:50 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: lesko
How do plastic bags 'choke' wildlife?

Well, an enviro-journalist takes one of the bags and wraps it around the animal's head. Then they get out their video camera and record how evil humanity's garbage is choking the wildlife. That literally happened in the 90's and several of them got caught at it. I think Marty Stoufer(sp?) was one of them. Don't see much of the "plastic six-pack containers choking wildlife" stories much anymore.

48 posted on 03/08/2007 2:32:05 PM PST by techcor
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To: jonrick46
Try doing that with paper.

Each paper bag is larger. I hold three easily; it's probably about the same amount of food, if not more.

And, every single one goes to the recycle plastic bag bin at my grocery store.

We reuse our paper bags several times before they get recycled.

What is so hard about plastic bag recycling?

Separating the various plastics into chemically contiguous lots.

49 posted on 03/08/2007 2:34:21 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The fourth estate is the fifth column.)
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To: ichabod1

Life and living causes "pollution." And certain types of life (one of the most plentiful on earth) thrive on the so call pollution -- c02.


50 posted on 03/08/2007 2:35:03 PM PST by dhs12345
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