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The Coming Entitlement Meltdown[Ron Paul]
http://www.house.gov/paul/ ^ | 05 March 2007 | Ron Paul

Posted on 03/08/2007 7:28:59 PM PST by FLOutdoorsman

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To: mc6809e
"I really don't care if the government's credit is ruined. It deserves to be ruined."

Start buying gold now if you think that will happen.

61 posted on 03/09/2007 7:37:02 AM PST by blam
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To: NoneOfTheAbove

Sage advice, I wish more people had the English Lit teacher I had in HS who pretty much said the same thing and spent most of the year having us study, in exquisite detail, Atlas Shrugged.
He was a rare gem.


62 posted on 03/09/2007 7:57:15 AM PST by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: NoneOfTheAbove

Yep. The "Greatest Generation", whose ravenous pig-squealing appetite for entitlements has led us to this mess. But somehow it's the Baby Boomers' fault? Gimme a break.


63 posted on 03/09/2007 8:01:54 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: TheKidster
I don't think the Boomers have cornered the market on narcissism. From a recent USA Today poll on Generation Y:

* 81 percent said getting rich is was their most important or second most important life goal;

* 51 percent said the same about being famous;

Ref: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54193

You might say that it's the Boomers' influence that caused this. If so, might the Boomers blame their failures on those of the Greatest and Silent Generations for raising them improperly?

It's nice to have someone to blame, but history shows that prosperous societies eventually become soft, decadent, and complacent, and that's their downfall. It's human nature, and that's where we're heading.

64 posted on 03/09/2007 8:23:54 AM PST by FlyVet
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To: FlyVet

You may be right but it is really hard to swallow the fact that I'm funding thier retirement with the money that was supposed to fund mine. Not only that but I have no choice in the matter. The gvt. steals the money from my paycheck each and every week I work.


65 posted on 03/09/2007 8:47:36 AM PST by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: DreamsofPolycarp
I am ready to take my assets, leave, and shoot Uncle Sam the finger on the way out. I keep thinking the same thing, but I'm at a loss to find someplace where I would be more free, the government didn't look at me as a cash cow, and the role of government isn't to make more government.
66 posted on 03/09/2007 8:53:14 AM PST by NoneOfTheAbove (Economics=Reality; Politics=Fantasy; When politics meets reality, economics decides the winner)
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To: NoneOfTheAbove
Looking right now at Belize, Ecuador, Chile, and Argentina.

Different levels of corruption, but at least when you pay em off, they stay paid.

67 posted on 03/09/2007 9:04:49 AM PST by DreamsofPolycarp (Ron Paul in '08)
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To: FLOutdoorsman
Liberals would welcome it and would block any attempt to address entitlements head on. Conservatives will shrink away from dealing with it for fear of losing votes.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

68 posted on 03/09/2007 9:08:11 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: TheKidster
If it makes you feel any better, I think many of us younger Boomers (I've recently been reclassified as "Generation Jones", does that get me off the hook?) are going to get shafted on Social Security.

I won't reach retirement age for about 20 more years and I think by then it will be means tested at best. Retirement age will also be raised. Since I already have a military pension and IRA accounts, I've written off Social Security a long time ago. And I'll bet you a lot of others my age think the same way as I do.

69 posted on 03/09/2007 9:11:30 AM PST by FlyVet
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To: FlyVet

I appreciate that, but it doesn't make me feel any better, it adds to the frustration. Oh how often do I wish for the ability to opt out of SS. That would be AWESOME!


70 posted on 03/09/2007 9:16:15 AM PST by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: MarkL

A wise man would have his retirement money solely in cash. No way the IRA's will be free from the tax man in 20 years.


71 posted on 03/09/2007 9:29:53 AM PST by Bluestateredman (Self-sufficiency is the American Way)
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To: TheKidster
Well W tried to privatize just 10% of it, and Congress squealed like pigs. People refuse to face the reality that the Ponzi scheme is going to crash and burn. Believe me, I'd like to opt out too, along with many others.

If we survive the crash we will return to the philosophy that you must be strong and self-sufficient to survive, the foundation that built the Greatest Generation, and that's a good thing. But it ain't gonna be fun. Steel yourself.

72 posted on 03/09/2007 9:29:59 AM PST by FlyVet
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

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73 posted on 03/09/2007 9:36:58 AM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: Bluestateredman
I agree with the IRA taxation. I wouldn't be surprised if Roth IRAs end up getting taxed. However it's easy to destroy cash with inflation. That Wiemar Republic and Confederate States cash made for some very pretty wallpaper, though. Precious metals? It's easy for a government to make ownership illegal. FDR did it.
74 posted on 03/09/2007 9:44:49 AM PST by FlyVet
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To: FLOutdoorsman

Damn Ron Paul and David Walker for speaking the truth! That is NOT allowed in Washington D.C. these days!


75 posted on 03/09/2007 9:57:02 AM PST by Bigun (IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
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To: Hostage
when you find a place, let us all know.....

actually, many of us might find ourselves living in conservative communes....living off the land and sharing our resources and responsibilities.....I wouldn't mind it if I could live with people of similar morals and values.

76 posted on 03/09/2007 10:24:28 AM PST by cherry
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To: MarkL
"Just because the government will default on SS and Medicare doesn't mean that they're going to stop taxing you for it."

this is similar to what's happening to my Catholic diocese here in Spokane Wa area.. re: priest sexual abuse of youngsters.....

we had NO say in what went on, we are told that the parishes belong to the parishioners...hah...yet we are now told that the parishes will have to fork over a year's worth of collections each to pay for this debacle.....

fat chance that this household will.....

just like the govt...we have no say in the taxes...we have no say no what they do with our money...yet they come back to us for more of it when they screw up.....

77 posted on 03/09/2007 10:31:30 AM PST by cherry
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To: MichiganConservative
some of the worse....very worse and most dangerous....liberals are male....

and some of the best conservatives are female....

besides the fact that many women make more money than their spouses and many women own their own homes......

but in general I would agree that home or property ownership would make someone's vote a little more realistis and practical....

78 posted on 03/09/2007 10:34:09 AM PST by cherry
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To: FlyVet
for the record, I think after one receives every penny they paid into SS, the rest should be means tested, which will mean that many better off retirees will get no more....

I feel this way because we can all complain about SS and Medicare but the real deal buster will be these lavish govt benefits at all levels ....education, police, military, city, county, state, federal.....

there will be two types of retired..those with the guarenteed govt pensions and medical retirement benefits and those without either....

why should the same taxpayers who footed the bill for govt pensions also be the same ones suffering when there is no money for SS?

there will be means testing and it will affect anyone getting the defined pension plans bought and paid for by US taxpayers ....it has to be....

79 posted on 03/09/2007 10:43:36 AM PST by cherry
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To: cherry
for the record, I think after one receives every penny they paid into SS, the rest should be means tested, which will mean that many better off retirees will get no more.

And so you get a return of 0% on that money? In fact, after inflation, it's a loss for you if you think about buying power.

How about we call it what it is - a massive fraud perpetrated on the American people by a criminal government - and abolish it?

80 posted on 03/09/2007 10:48:03 AM PST by MichiganConservative (If you don't like rape, then don't rape anyone. Don't push your morality on others.)
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