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Duncan Hunter, RRRINO: Reincarnated Reagan Republican In Name Only
SignsonSanDiego.com ^ | 3/9/07 | Chris Reed

Posted on 03/09/2007 6:44:43 PM PST by LdSentinal

Periodically, I get e-mails from supporters of the presidential candidacy of Alpine Rep. Duncan Hunter who express disbelief, befuddlement or fury, or a mix of all three, at my flat contention that he is a populist demagogue and anything but a principled conservative. These folks cannot fathom any talk that he's not free-trade, small-government Ronald Reagan reincarnated.

Here's a typical example of Hunterista reaction to my comment that he's been against trade deals that have been important boons to our economy:

You're supposed to be a columnist, an informed person. This is not an informed statement.

OK. If you don't believe me about Duncan Hunter's RRRINOitis, here's what the influential, admired-and-respected-in-conservative-circles Club for Growth has to say about him:

Like most Republicans, he's strong on tax cuts, but he's been part of the big government spending spree of the last 6 years. He also has a protectionist streak in him. Here are some of the more troubling votes:

NO on NAFTA YES on No Child Left Behind YES on Sarbanes-Oxley YES on the 2003 Medicare Drug Benefit NO on CAFTA YES on 2005 Highway Bill YES on the 527 bill (like most Republicans, he flip-flopped, having first voted NO on McCain-Feingold) Hunter also went 0 for 19 on the Flake anti-pork amendments.

Despite being a member of the Republican Study Committee, Hunter frequently votes NO on their fiscally conservative annual budgets (2006, 2005, 2003...)

We gave him a 49% on the 2005 Club for Growth scorecard. That places him 187th within the House GOP conference, out of roughly 230 members.

National Taxpayers Union shows a more telling trend. He was strong in the early 1990s, getting "B's" and one "A", but as time went by, like most politicians, his score dropped. For the past few years, he's been getting "C's".

Those Cs are incredibly generous. As CATO noted last year, with Duncan Hunter cheering him on ...

... President Bush has presided over the largest overall increase in inflation-adjusted federal spending since Lyndon B. Johnson. Even after excluding spending on defense and homeland security, Bush is still the biggest-spending president in 30 years. His 2006 budget doesn't cut enough spending to change his place in history, either.

Total government spending grew by 33 percent during Bush's first term. The federal budget as a share of the economy grew from 18.5 percent of GDP on Clinton's last day in office to 20.3 percent by the end of Bush's first term.

The Republican Congress has enthusiastically assisted the budget bloat. Inflation-adjusted spending on the combined budgets of the 101 largest programs they vowed to eliminate in 1995 has grown by 27 percent.

The GOP was once effective at controlling nondefense spending. The final nondefense budgets under Clinton were a combined $57 billion smaller than what he proposed from 1996 to 2001. Under Bush, Congress passed budgets that spent a total of $91 billion more than the president requested for domestic programs.

And as bad as things are on the budget front, they're about to get a whole lot worse because of a pending nightmare that Duncan Hunter -- supposed tough guy, supposed truth-teller, supposed fiscal conservative -- has chosen to ignore. To borrow from what I wrote last year ...

... the single worst problem facing this country in coming years, with the possible exception of nuclear terrorism, is dealing with the massive fiscal impact of baby boomers retiring. As we slowly transition from a nation where there are 4 working adults for every adult getting Social Security and Medicare to a nation where that ratio is 2 to 1, we will face an incredible fiscal squeeze.

As a veteran member of Congress, Duncan Hunter knows this. He's heard the warnings, seen the bipartisan studies. So what did this self-declared fiscal conservative do in 2003? He voted to make the problem much, much, much worse by extending prescription drug benefits to seniors, three-quarters of whom already have coverage. The money that was saved by all the triumphant stands he claims to have taken is infinitesimal compared to the staggering long-term national debt he helped add with this one vote, which was tantamount to civic arson.

Yeah, right, our Duncan's a fiscal conservative. ... He loves spending your grandkids' money, and by the truckload.

Duncan Hunter is no Ronald Reagan. To those who say Ronald Reagan really wasn't Ronald Reagan -- that government didn't get smaller when he was president -- well, he tried harder than any president in modern times to get Congress to control spending and wipe out whole government agencies. By contrast, Hunter and the GOP Congress of 2001-2006 kept the national credit cards hanging on a string around their necks for easy and constant use.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: 2008; catsouttadabag; duncan; duncanhunter; electionpresident; elections; hunter; notreagan; primary; rrrino; rudybot; thrillisgone
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1 posted on 03/09/2007 6:44:45 PM PST by LdSentinal
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To: LdSentinal

He snores too. (I bet.) ;-)


2 posted on 03/09/2007 6:46:45 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......)
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To: LdSentinal

I'm going for popcorn.....


3 posted on 03/09/2007 6:48:11 PM PST by Trteamer ( (Eat Meat, Wear Fur, Own Guns, FReep Leftists, Drive an SUV, Drill A.N.W.R., Drill the Gulf, Vote)
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To: NormsRevenge

Loudly. lol


4 posted on 03/09/2007 6:48:29 PM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: LdSentinal
Duncan Hunter Bump! Hear him addressing CPAC!
5 posted on 03/09/2007 6:50:15 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Fierce Allegiance; 230FMJ; abigailsmybaby; afnamvet; Afronaut; airborne; ajolympian2004; ...

Hey, Team.

LdSentinal claims to be undecided. Where have we heard that before?


6 posted on 03/09/2007 6:50:29 PM PST by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: LdSentinal
You are not going to be well liked around here.

- YES on No Child Left Behind

- YES on Sarbanes-Oxley

- YES on the 2003 Medicare Drug Benefit

- YES on 2005 Highway Bill

- YES on the 527 bill (like most Republicans, he flip-flopped, having first voted NO on McCain-Feingold)

- Hunter also went 0 for 19 on the Flake anti-pork amendments.

- We gave him a 49% on the 2005 Club for Growth scorecard. That places him 187th within the House GOP conference, out of roughly 230 members.

- National Taxpayers Union shows a more telling trend. He was strong in the early 1990s, getting "B's" and one "A", but as time went by, like most politicians, his score dropped. For the past few years, he's been getting "C's".

Ouch!

7 posted on 03/09/2007 6:50:41 PM PST by CWOJackson
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To: LdSentinal

Maybe if some weren't trying to pass him off as "another Reagan" he would do better. He is unique, he doesn't need to be the new Reagan. Now them will be so let's just stop the comparisons! Good Luck to Hunter and all of them. They'll need it with our media and the Hillary machine.


8 posted on 03/09/2007 6:51:09 PM PST by BonnieJ
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To: veronica; NormsRevenge

>>>He snores too. (I bet.) ;-)

Pssst, Veronica told me the schlepper wears JCPenny suites!


9 posted on 03/09/2007 6:51:11 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: LdSentinal
Hunter also went 0 for 19 on the Flake anti-pork amendments.

Wow. That's a bad sign.

10 posted on 03/09/2007 6:51:23 PM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Kevmo
I am. I have posted pro-Duncan Hunter articles in the recent past.

This thread is not so pro-Duncan.

11 posted on 03/09/2007 6:51:58 PM PST by LdSentinal
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To: LdSentinal

When is Jesus going to announce?

Obviously, he's the only candidate who will be perfect enough.


12 posted on 03/09/2007 6:52:24 PM PST by Columbine
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To: LdSentinal

When is Jesus going to announce?

Obviously, he's the only candidate who will be perfect enough.


13 posted on 03/09/2007 6:52:26 PM PST by Columbine
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To: Calpernia

Oh Great! The closet police are involved too. ;-)


14 posted on 03/09/2007 6:52:54 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......)
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To: LdSentinal
CATO and Club for Growth are both for open borders. If you think that's what constitutes a RINO your way out of line.
15 posted on 03/09/2007 6:53:22 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser: Debtor's fascism for Kaleefornia, one charade at a time.)
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To: LdSentinal
Duncan Hunter is no RINO! No matter how you slice it Chris Reed, Duncan Hunter is head and shoulders above the liberal Rudy Giuliani.

The same Rudy who, BTW, increased spending while Mayor of NYCity by 32%. Double the rate of inflation. And who finished his term in office by burdening the Big Apple with a $2.0 billion deficit and a $42 billion debt. Rudy didn't cut spending, or the size and scope the city govt.
16 posted on 03/09/2007 6:53:30 PM PST by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: LdSentinal
The federal budget as a share of the economy grew from 18.5 percent of GDP on Clinton's last day in office to 20.3 percent by the end of Bush's first term.

And to think, I remember the great days in the early 90's when we came very close to destroying entire federal programs. What a total waste of potential the GOP domination of government was.

17 posted on 03/09/2007 6:53:37 PM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Only candidates that shop at Saks will get the liberal vote.


18 posted on 03/09/2007 6:54:01 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: LdSentinal
This is Hunter's albatross.

But at the same time, none of the other GOP Presidential candidates are talking about entitlement reform or reigning in the size of the federal government either. So by default, Hunter should be supported because of his military expertise, border security, and hawkish Red China views (IMO, he's the only GOP candidate taking China seriously).

Now pro-Rudy posters will mention that Rudy cut taxes and spending in NYC. That's all warm and heart-string tugging, but NYC is far different than tackling the leviathans known as SS, Medicaid, and Medicare. It's going to take someone with real stones to speak the truth about these programs, one who realizes he doesn't have a chance of winning the POTUS anyway so he might as well campaign as if he has nothing to lose.

19 posted on 03/09/2007 6:54:21 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Good night Chesty, wherever you are!)
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To: LdSentinal

FR is a conservative electronic bulletin board, but Rudy has done more for conservatism than FR has ever done.
***Perhaps you would care to explain this prior statement? FR is a Socially Conservative forum, and Duncan Hunter's platform aligns with social conservatism. Please tell us how rudy has advanced social conservatism.


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Video of Rudy Giuliani in his own words
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM

Transcript of video below.




Will the real Rudy show up at CPAC?

Culture of life:

ABC clip:

George Will: "Do you think Roe v Wade was good constitutional law?"

Rudy Giuliani: "Yes I believe, I believe it is."

Cnn Clip December 2, 1999:

Announcer: "Giuliani was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial birth abortions, something Bush strongly supports."

Rudy Giuliani : "No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing."

Immigration

CNN clip:

Announcer: "Back in 1996, mayor Giuliani went to federal court to challenge new federal laws requiring the city to inform the federal government about illegal immigrants."

Rudy Giuliani: "There isn't a mayor or a public official in this country that's more strongly pro immigrant than I am. Including disagreeing with President Clinton when he signed an anti-immigration legislation about two or three years ago."

Gun control:

CNN clip

Rudy Giuliani: "I'm in favor of gun control"

Meet The Press:

Tim Russert: "How about registration of all handguns?"

Rudy Giuliani: "You know I'm in favor of that. I've been on your show many times."

Gay Rights:

CNN Clip:

Announcer: "As mayor he supported civil unions, and extending health and other benefits to gay couples."

ABC Clip: "I supported domestic partnership legislation and signed it"

Meet The Press:

Tim Russert: "So should gay people be openly allowed to serve?"

Rudy Giuliani: "I think people should be judged on the merits. And there should not be a specific focus on someone's sexual orientation."

First Amendment:

ABC Clip

Cokie Roberts: "Would you vote in the senate in favor of Mccain / Feingold?"

Rudy Giuliani: "Yes, I'm a big supporter of Mccain / Feingold. I have been for a long time."

Party Loyalty:

ABC Clip:

Rudy Giuliani: "Frankly George, I'd like to run on all the lines. I'd like to run on the liberal line, the conservative line, I'd like to run on the democratic line if I could figure out how to do it."

Conservative Values:

Meet The Press:

Tim Russert: "Whether it's gays in the military, gun control, campaign finance, late term abortion - you and Hillary Clinton are in sync on those issues."

Rudy Giuliani: "Well then maybe the other side should stop the 'He's part of the vast right wing conspiracy'."

Welcome To CPAC, Rudy!

End clip.





20 posted on 03/09/2007 6:55:40 PM PST by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: Kevmo

Instead of whining about me , how about commenting on the merits of these accusations? Yes?


21 posted on 03/09/2007 6:57:55 PM PST by LdSentinal
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To: Carry_Okie

I agree. He's anti-free-trade agreements and that is just fine with me. I'm sure that will piss off the globalists in the GOP, but I don't care. OTOH, it will definitely be likeable by the blue collar "Reagan democrats" and would pull in a lot of Joe average moderate voters. In other words, I see it as a bonus.

His spending has been shown to be for military spending, which is the only thing the government SHOULD be spending big bucks on anyway.


22 posted on 03/09/2007 6:58:03 PM PST by conservatrice
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To: LdSentinal

He's still my guy. I never compared him to Reagan, the greatest president in my lifetime, but at this point I'll back him over anybody else in the running for the GOP. I'm liking the sound of a Hunter/Thompson combination.


23 posted on 03/09/2007 6:58:08 PM PST by Theresawithanh (Rudy? Hunter? McCain? Tancredo? Romney? Presenting WWF FR style.....)
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To: CWOJackson

I like Hunter more and more.

- YES on No Child Left Behind

GOOD! It was the right thing to do.

- YES on Sarbanes-Oxley

GOOD! Enron was a disaster, and we're in a war.

- YES on the 2003 Medicare Drug Benefit

GOOD! We needed it. Drugs ARE medicine nowadays.

- YES on 2005 Highway Bill

DON'T CARE.

- YES on the 527 bill (like most Republicans, he flip-flopped, having first voted NO on McCain-Feingold)

DON'T LIKE IT.

- Hunter also went 0 for 19 on the Flake anti-pork amendments.

HE SPENDS MONEY. THEY ALL DO.

He votes against offshoring jobs to poor countries leaving Americans in desperate share. Good.


24 posted on 03/09/2007 6:59:06 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Le chien aboie; la caravane passe.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Personally I like Rudy and it sounds like he did a great job as mayor of NY but that doesn't mean I want him as president. The bulk of the USA will never be confused with NY.


25 posted on 03/09/2007 6:59:42 PM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: Vicomte13

Of course a lot of people will like it...he's their boy.


26 posted on 03/09/2007 7:00:12 PM PST by CWOJackson
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Get him to fix his website:

Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket

Vanna...I'd like to buy an apostrophe...

27 posted on 03/09/2007 7:00:24 PM PST by paulat (I'd rather spend my vote on someone who CAN ACTUALLY BE ELECTED)
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To: Columbine
When is Jesus going to announce?

Obviously, he's the only candidate who will be perfect enough.

Not anymore. James Cameron took care of that. You must be thinking of Obama.

28 posted on 03/09/2007 7:02:27 PM PST by TADSLOS (Iran is in the IED exporting business. Time to shut them down.)
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To: Kevmo

Gosh, Kevmo...it's been a whole 5 minutes since you last posted that. Get with it.


29 posted on 03/09/2007 7:02:58 PM PST by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: Reagan Man

Rudy cut tax rates, and the money poured in.

He spent a lot of it to hire more policemen, and arrest all the criminals that the libs had ignored for years.


30 posted on 03/09/2007 7:03:00 PM PST by proxy_user
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To: Columbine

"When is Jesus going to announce?"

Spoke with him yesterday, he's not running.


31 posted on 03/09/2007 7:04:32 PM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: LdSentinal

When the liberal media wants Guliani instead of Hunter... I'll go with Hunter.

But I really hope Cheney retires and Rice gets appointed, and runs with Newt Gingrich (a guy can dream, can't he?)


32 posted on 03/09/2007 7:05:17 PM PST by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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To: CWOJackson
Fast transaction. Great slides. Thanks!

On spending and Campaign Finance Reform, Hunter is a liberal.

33 posted on 03/09/2007 7:05:18 PM PST by FreeReign (Still looking for the best conservative candidate.)
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To: LdSentinal

I'm voting for Duncan Hunter unless someone better steps forward to run, which I do not see happening. I surely could not under any circumstance support Rudy, McCain, Romney, or Brownback.


34 posted on 03/09/2007 7:05:24 PM PST by CheezyD
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To: BonnieJ

"Maybe if some weren't trying to pass him off as "another Reagan" he would do better. He is unique, he doesn't need to be the new Reagan. Now them will be so let's just stop the comparisons!"




That is a good point, a "New Ronald Reagan" would not even be called the new Ronald Reagan, he would already be known from his impact as his own man, and have his own reputation, having cut his own swath, and earned his own base.

(Some where in there is some sense I think.)


35 posted on 03/09/2007 7:05:39 PM PST by ansel12 (America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.)
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To: edcoil

I'll only believe it if John Edwards says it's so! He seems to have Jesus on his speed dial.


36 posted on 03/09/2007 7:05:42 PM PST by Theresawithanh (Rudy? Hunter? McCain? Tancredo? Romney? Presenting WWF FR style.....)
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To: LdSentinal
..yes

A man who is

For strong national defense--loves and supports the military
For protection of the unborn and the sanctity of human life
For real border security, including a fence and fair treatment of our Border Patrol
For traditional family values
For full 2nd Amendment rights for citizens

Sounds like a very questionable candidate--

LOL


37 posted on 03/09/2007 7:06:30 PM PST by WalterSkinner ( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
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To: paulat; LdSentinal; Kevmo

Again with the apostrophe thing? Stick to issues, please. It doesn't speak well of you.

As for the topic...yes, I do agree that Hunter's fiscal conservatism is his weak spot. He's pro-tax cuts, and his position on trade seems to be mostly against those who have hostile intentions towards us (he did vote for a free trade deal with Austrailia).

Heads and shoulders above the other candidates that are running at the moment though. One could only hope that he'll be better, but his positives are far greater than his negatives (as the case was with Reagan).

I don't know if I recall ever claiming Hunter is another Reagan; honestly, I wouldn't know, as I was born in 88'.

But I think Hunter's the right man for the job in these troubled times.


38 posted on 03/09/2007 7:06:31 PM PST by Ultra Sonic 007 (Vote for Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: areafiftyone

Don't you have a ping list?


39 posted on 03/09/2007 7:07:03 PM PST by CWOJackson
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To: Reagan Man
The same Rudy who, BTW, increased spending while Mayor of NYCity by 32%.

Soource?

40 posted on 03/09/2007 7:07:05 PM PST by FreeReign (Still looking for the best conservative candidate.)
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To: CheezyD
I'm voting for Duncan Hunter

Yep...write-ins are powerful!!!

41 posted on 03/09/2007 7:07:42 PM PST by paulat (I'd rather spend my vote on someone who CAN ACTUALLY BE ELECTED)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Agh, forgot the rest of my post regarding his fiscal conservatism.

DESPITE being pro-tax cuts (and I personally don't find his position on trade to be so worrying. I mean, it's China!), his spending is a bit worrisome.

We can only wait and see.


42 posted on 03/09/2007 7:08:12 PM PST by Ultra Sonic 007 (Vote for Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: CWOJackson

LOL, sorry for the wrong cut and paste. That obviously wasn't your quote.


43 posted on 03/09/2007 7:08:12 PM PST by FreeReign (Still looking for the best conservative candidate.)
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To: Calpernia

I like the way it used to be
before much cosmetology
required such apology.

I liked it when a POTUS' core
was more than what he combed or wore.
Like all the things he stood up for,
like giving troops their due in war.

Nowadays a man's true worth
is measured by his guts, in girth,
instead of moral courage. Why?

Duncan Hunter's still my guy.
";^)


44 posted on 03/09/2007 7:09:40 PM PST by b9 ("America is great because America is good." ~ Duncan Hunter)
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To: FreeReign

No problem. I almost did the same thing...butter from the popcorn making my fingers slide around on the keyboard.


45 posted on 03/09/2007 7:09:51 PM PST by CWOJackson
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To: LdSentinal
I have been siding with the Rudy folks in the skirmishes because the Hunter supporter have been so acerbic. I am anxiously awaiting a reasoned dissection of the negatives listed in the article from Hunter fans.

LBT
-=-=
46 posted on 03/09/2007 7:10:34 PM PST by LiberalBassTurds (Peace is the short interlude between wars.)
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To: Fierce Allegiance; 230FMJ; abigailsmybaby; afnamvet; Afronaut; airborne; alicewonders; Angelas; ...

Join the "Duncan Hunter for 08'" ping list!

Now remember, it's good to be honest about a candidate's short-comings. Yes, Hunter's fiscal conservatism is a tad worrisome. He's pro tax-cuts, and I don't find his positions on trade to be so problematic considering that he's the only one speaking out against China. But he has been a spender.

Nevertheless, he's far superior to the other candidates thus far. Depending on his choice for VP, his fiscal problem could be mitigated.

47 posted on 03/09/2007 7:13:10 PM PST by Ultra Sonic 007 (Vote for Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: LdSentinal

Does he conspire with the Demoncrats to bring down his own party like McCain does?


48 posted on 03/09/2007 7:13:21 PM PST by Sybeck1 (Limit Your Carbon Footprint Today! Ping Me To Ask How!)
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To: LiberalBassTurds

I think it's going to be a long wait for you.


49 posted on 03/09/2007 7:15:37 PM PST by CWOJackson
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To: BonnieJ

Yeah, let's see... he's Ronald Reagan without the deeply held principles, without the track record, and without the leadership ability or communications skills.


50 posted on 03/09/2007 7:15:37 PM PST by ReleaseTheHounds ("Salvation is not free")
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