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From The Greatest Generation To Self-Annihilation
War of Wits ^ | 9/18/06 | Jayme Evans

Posted on 03/10/2007 10:08:06 AM PST by verbosevet

In World War II, it wasn't just young men who gave their all. It was women and children. It was W.A.C.s, W.A.S.P.s, and Rosie the Riveter. Kids collected scrap rubber and aluminum for recycling into aircraft parts. There were War Bonds and Civil Air Patrols. The whole nation joined the fight, convinced they'd be speaking German or Japanese if we didn't defeat Nazi tyranny or Japanese Imperialism.

Now we have The Cindy Sheehan Traveling Circus, and Dick Durbin equating the interrogation techniques of US troops to those of Nazi Germany and the Khmer Rouge. We have John Murtha calling Marines "cold-blooded" murderers, and the President of the United States calling citizens who patrol the border during wartime "vigilantes."

Timothy Leary, LSD, and Give Peace a Chance have done more damage to this country than anything in it's entire existence. When the Baby Boomers who answered their country's call in the jungles of Southeast Asia finally did come home, they were spat upon and called all sorts of vile things by their peers. Ironically, there are now yearly reunions in Canada for those who were "brave" enough to refuse orders and flee north.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: genx; greatestgeneration; politicalcorrectness; terrorism; wot
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A sad but true commentary on what political correctness is doing to this country...
1 posted on 03/10/2007 10:08:10 AM PST by verbosevet
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To: verbosevet

After 9/11, I think it would have been helpful if the WH had started a web site about what we as citizens can do to help in the war on terror. Included in that web site should be a list of reading materials so that people know what we're up against.


2 posted on 03/10/2007 10:09:39 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons' pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: verbosevet; Victoria Delsoul

Western culture can't even seem to articulate why we are fighting against Islamist extremists, let alone why we should win. Sad.


3 posted on 03/10/2007 10:10:45 AM PST by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do suck seed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: Peach

Right you are. That is exactly why the WOT is so distant to the average person. The only people who are really affected by it are those losing limbs and dying or their families.


4 posted on 03/10/2007 10:12:18 AM PST by verbosevet
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To: Peach
LOL.

After 9/11 the president insisted on calling Islam a "religion of peace."

If FDR had made a statement like that about Japan or Germany after December of 1941, he would have been chained to his wheelchair and dumped into the Potomac River.

5 posted on 03/10/2007 10:13:03 AM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: HitmanLV

One can only hope that we wake up SOON!


6 posted on 03/10/2007 10:13:22 AM PST by verbosevet
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To: Peach
"After 9/11, I think it would have been helpful if the WH had started a web site about what we as citizens can do to help in the war on terror. Included in that web site should be a list of reading materials so that people know what we're up against."

Wouldn't accomplish anything.

Public schools don't want ROTC and make no bones about that. What they are TAUGHT in school is pacifist stuff. They're taught to shun gun - even the sight of them - Ever hear any objections to this by the parents? NO! Because they agree with the leftist position.

Public schools and the left driven media are wearing people down and promoting nonsense. Adults and kids NEVER learned their history in school so they have NO KNOWDLEGE to begin with.
7 posted on 03/10/2007 10:16:05 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: verbosevet
Unlike prior times, people don't actually have to get up and do the dirty work of fighting. So the will to physically do something isn't necessary. Just the will that something be done is necessary.

We are far from that now. Basically, a series of events have to push the people to that point. Since their physical commitment is low, and their moral outrage may be great, the chances that something will be done (while many of us sip out gourmet coffees) is good.
8 posted on 03/10/2007 10:17:12 AM PST by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do suck seed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: verbosevet

What's different about this enemy and past enemies is that they are invisible. Muslims live around us. We're told they are the "religion of peace" as they wait for the sign to attack us from WITHIN.


9 posted on 03/10/2007 10:17:22 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: Alberta's Child
It was outrageous calling that a "religion of peace".

Bush is lying to you. He has ALWAYS lied about this.

Bush KNOWS better. He has an undergraduate degree in WORLD HISTORY. He KNOWS Muslims make the crusades look like a rowdy Boy Scout rumble. I am soooooooooooooooo
disappointed with Bush .... . Our borders are OPEN to ILLEGALS and TERRORISTS.
10 posted on 03/10/2007 10:19:40 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: verbosevet

“... I would then have him trace the process of our moral decline, to watch, first, the sinking of the foundations of morality as the old teaching was allowed to lapse, then the rapidly increasing disintegration, then the final collapse of the whole edifice, and the dark dawning of our modern day when we can neither endure our vices nor face the remedies needed to cure them.....of late years wealth has made us greedy, and self-indulgence has brought us, through every form of sensual excess, to be, if I may so put it, in love with death both individual and collective...” TITUS LIVIUS 59 B.C. TO 17 A.D.


11 posted on 03/10/2007 10:20:26 AM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: HitmanLV

You mean a series of events like another 757 missile, or a few human bombs detonating in shopping malls??


12 posted on 03/10/2007 10:20:31 AM PST by verbosevet
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To: Alberta's Child
After 9/11 the president insisted on calling Islam a "religion of peace."

That moronic statement by President Bush set us back years in facing up to the threat of Islam. He is the commander in Chief and the his military subordinates, and others appointed by him politically, are not likely to call him on it.

The problem with facing up to Islam, is you have to do something unpleasant to halt it, if you want to survive.

Islam like cancer is not going away by itself if left unchecked. - Tom

13 posted on 03/10/2007 10:21:27 AM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
Ahh, yes, I was waiting for that comparison...

It is so true...

14 posted on 03/10/2007 10:22:41 AM PST by verbosevet
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To: verbosevet

Honestly, probably something greater than either.


15 posted on 03/10/2007 10:23:20 AM PST by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do suck seed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: HitmanLV
Let's hope not...

I still believe our government is not going to be able to save us once the fight does come here.

It'll be your average redneck, and his concealed-carry permit that will be our salvation at that point, let's be serious. No politician is going to protect this country FOR REAL

16 posted on 03/10/2007 10:26:03 AM PST by verbosevet
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To: verbosevet
In the age of the Internet we can see what is happening around the world in seconds, we can listen to world opinion in seconds.....what we fail to see is what is going on in our own backyards.
17 posted on 03/10/2007 10:29:49 AM PST by dforest (Liberals love crisis, create crisis and then dwell on them.)
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To: nmh
And also --in my opinion-- why the Geneva Conventions are out the window... Why on Earth would we stick to a set of rules that our emeny admittedly scoffs at?

To show how compassionate we are? That'll be great when your head is being separated from the rest of your body with a rusty pocketknife. Jesus said turn the other cheek, not "expose the jugular"..

18 posted on 03/10/2007 10:30:39 AM PST by verbosevet
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To: verbosevet

Don't kid yourself into thinking that this is a modern phenomenon. Even in the Civil War there were draft riots and pro-slavery, anti-war Copperheads.

In WWII, anti-war activities were strongly suppressed, such as the Phoenix, AZ, anti-draft riot by blacks who felt they were being drafted in disproportionate numbers. The government response was to call out the national guard and machine gun the asphalt in front of the protesters, showering them with chunks of pavement. Then the news of the event was buried by the local newspaper. No record of casualties. It only came out in the 1960s, when a reporter who had been there was allowed to describe it in detail.

When communists or other unreliables were drafted, they were often shipped to the Aleutian Islands to keep them from agitating, disrupting, or otherwise interfering with the war effort. It was also the dumping ground for individuals who discussed classified information when drunk and other such sins.

The non-draftable communists were also pestiferous. Initially they railed against Nazis, until Hitler signed his pact with Stalin. Then the American communists did a 180 degree turn and fully embraced Nazism as a good thing.

Then when Hitler invaded Russia, the American communists went back to ranting against Hitler. You can see where their loyalties were then, just as you can see where their loyalties are today.

Many such villains spent four years in a federal penitentiary for refusing to be drafted. It was the standard punishment, and well deserved.


19 posted on 03/10/2007 10:34:23 AM PST by Popocatapetl
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20 posted on 03/10/2007 10:35:51 AM PST by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: Popocatapetl
I'm not saying it is a modern phenom. As long as there has been war, there has been efforts to undermine it by "friendlies".

Just thought it was an interesting contrast that the bravery and other traits of those who died by the hundreds of thousands to defeat the Axis in WWII that seem so necesary to win a global conflict do not seem to have been retained by their children...

That's not to say that simply dying by the thousands is a desirable thing, but you can't deny the article's basic premise.

21 posted on 03/10/2007 10:42:18 AM PST by verbosevet
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To: verbosevet

Even after we wake up I don't believe that things are going to be any better unless we unify, which will never happen again. Our emphasis on diversity will prevent us from uniting again.

Does anyone really think that we will be able to trust the many millions of Muslims already in the country? But not to worry; after all they are members of the ROP.


22 posted on 03/10/2007 10:47:02 AM PST by 353FMG (I never met a liberal I didn't dislike.)
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To: Popocatapetl

LOL. My father was stationed in the Aleutians. He wasn't a commie by any means, but he was a punk. I didn't know this little tidbit of info about who was stationed there.


23 posted on 03/10/2007 10:53:52 AM PST by Wage Slave (Good fences make good neighbors. -- Robert Frost)
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To: Capt. Tom

We have a lot of Muslim allies, too.


24 posted on 03/10/2007 10:57:01 AM PST by Rocky Mountain High
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To: 353FMG

The "Balkanization" of the US began in the 60's and continues unabated. You could very well be right, making the differences between those 2 generations even more apparent.


25 posted on 03/10/2007 10:58:47 AM PST by verbosevet
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To: verbosevet

I can't help but think that since this nation has started taking God out of EVERYTHING, it all turned to poo. In God We Trust is no longer and now we're screwed.


26 posted on 03/10/2007 11:04:04 AM PST by NoGrayZone
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To: HitmanLV

We've lost the ability to discern truth. We're ripe for the pickings.


27 posted on 03/10/2007 11:11:03 AM PST by keats5 (tolerance of intolerant people is cultural suicide)
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To: Rocky Mountain High
We have a lot of Muslim allies, too.

No Muslim worth his salt will cooperate of collaborate with Infidels. The fundamentals of the religion forbid this. What we have is Muslim heretics who can't abide by the teachings of their faith and the example set by Muhammad. The people are more interested in worldly things than spiritual things and getting along with Infidel scum is just fine with these people.

Just about every religion suffers from people who claim to be of the religion but want to pick and chose the articles of faith to suit their worldly lifestyles.

The Muslims who become infidel collaborators can't stand up to the Wahabbis who teach the religion as written, and lived by Muhammad. Don't befriend Infidels, enslave convert or kill them. That is the fundamentals of the religion.

Don't take my word. Listen to them, and read the Koran and Hadiths. - tom

28 posted on 03/10/2007 11:19:28 AM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: Peach

I disagree fully completely and totally.

As an adult, I dont need my hand held or constant "how to" speeches by some figure head. We are at war. That's all I need to know. Everything after that is up to me. If I cant get my arse off the couch and do something useful then I am to blame and no one else.

If I am so weak and feckless that I fall constant prey to idiotic, moronic and grossly simplistic propaganda produced by those that support our enemy, then I am the betrayer.

If I am so ignorant in how things work and clueless on cause and effect that malicious manipulators can cause me to run around screaming "the sky is falling, the sky is falling" every time there's some logistics glitch or a bad day at the war front, then I am the worthless one.


If I am so degenerate and inbred in my world view that I can side with the agitators and enemy propagandists then I am the traitor.

If I am so afraid of hostile public opinion, that I can witness treason and not call it such for fear of being accused of "questioning their patriotism" then I am the coward.

If I am any of that listed above, then I am the one fit only for a traitors death and no amount of speechifying is going to fix that. If I am not any of the above then no amount of speechifying is going to make me any more solid in supporting my own during a time of war.


29 posted on 03/10/2007 11:22:33 AM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: NoGrayZone
Yup, as if the missing motto on the George Washington dollars was a "mistake".

You're right. And he's pissed...

30 posted on 03/10/2007 11:27:20 AM PST by verbosevet
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To: verbosevet

Too bad we ALL have to suffer because of these people. Is that what they say? It was a MISTAKE? Last I checked, mistakes are something that WASN'T done on purpose. His wrath will NOT be pretty!


31 posted on 03/10/2007 11:35:53 AM PST by NoGrayZone
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To: Capt. Tom

Tell that to the Iraqis.


32 posted on 03/10/2007 11:38:02 AM PST by Rocky Mountain High
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To: Popocatapetl

"When communists or other unreliables were drafted, they were often shipped to the Aleutian Islands to keep them from agitating, disrupting, or otherwise interfering with the war effort. It was also the dumping ground for individuals who discussed classified information when drunk and other such sins."

Do you have some more info on this? I like to look into it, because I knew a guy like that....he sat out WWII in the aleuts and was also what I judged to be a real commie, and he was also a "recovering alcoholic". He's pushing up daisies now.


33 posted on 03/10/2007 11:38:33 AM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Alberta's Child
If FDR had made a statement like that about Japan or Germany after December of 1941, he would have been chained to his wheelchair and dumped into the Potomac River.

Why? The entire government was controlled by Democrats. There would have been no reason to do that.

34 posted on 03/10/2007 11:42:35 AM PST by reg45
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To: verbosevet

Here here... you have stated a line of truth WE ALL must heed.... I still believe our government is not going to be able to save us once the fight does come here.....

And it will come here. Take your lessons everyone, learn self-defense and how to shoot. We will be the ONLY one's who can protect us. We WILL see this occur in our generation. BE PREPARED!


35 posted on 03/10/2007 11:47:54 AM PST by NoGrayZone
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
>>>“... I would then have him trace the process of our moral decline,...<<<

Stunning stuff! I just printed it out in bold type and taped it to my office wall!! Thanks.

36 posted on 03/10/2007 12:25:49 PM PST by HardStarboard (The Democrats are more afraid of American Victory than Defeat!)
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To: HardStarboard

The quote is from Livy's own introduction to his Early History of Rome.


37 posted on 03/10/2007 12:30:38 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Wage Slave
>>> I didn't know this little tidbit of info about who was stationed there.<<<

I have met several WWII Aleutian vets. I can assure you that not all of them were "punks". Many fought valiantly and thanklessly in the "forgotten front".

38 posted on 03/10/2007 12:31:37 PM PST by HardStarboard (The Democrats are more afraid of American Victory than Defeat!)
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To: Rocky Mountain High
Tell that to the Iraqis.

That is exactly why so many Iraqis are being killed. Any so-caled Muslim who wants to introduce democracy will be on the Wahabbi hit list. - tom

39 posted on 03/10/2007 12:34:07 PM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: nmh
"What they are TAUGHT in school is pacifist stuff."

In part, because teaching school was a deferment from the draft. There was a great need for teachers at the same time as the Vietnam War escalated, because of the baby boom (the same boom which supplied so many soldiers to the military). Pacifist male boomers made teaching their career choice, in order to avoid service, and thus were in a position to indoctrinate their students for the next 30 + years. Same with grad student deferments that led to professorships. Their students have gone on to continue the leftist indoctrination.

The moral of the story is don't make any occupation a deferment from a military draft unless you want to drive leftie pacifists to that particular career.

40 posted on 03/10/2007 12:45:36 PM PST by LZ_Bayonet
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To: Grimmy
Grimmy: You said it as well as it could be said. Could be a creed for all who believe in this fight...and America.

Would also make a fine outline for speechifying by a Conservative Presidential candidate....if we can find one!!

41 posted on 03/10/2007 12:48:58 PM PST by HardStarboard (The Democrats are more afraid of American Victory than Defeat!)
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To: nmh
What they are TAUGHT in school is pacifist stuff.

You got that right.

A grade school near my home calls themselves the "Peacemakers". On a brick wall erected on their playground is a mural. The faculty had the kids paint on it, among other things, a peace sign, and the globe, with stick figures of people holding hands, all the way around it.

Conspicuously missing is, you guessed it, the American Flag, and anything resembling patriotism. Flower Child Moonbat faculty, indoctrinating the younguns. Isn't that sweet?

42 posted on 03/10/2007 2:06:10 PM PST by FlyVet
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To: FlyVet
It's awful.

We pay through the nose for a CONSERVATIVE private school even then, I bitch about some of the "reading" in their McGrawhill books. I got my way and they are installing a new reading program without the liberal propaganda.
43 posted on 03/10/2007 2:10:45 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

My best info was from a gentleman who had been part of the 509th Composite Group. Yes, that one. He said that if you shot your mouth off, or even asked too many questions about the program, you would be off to the Aleutians before nightfall.

An amusing anecdote was how the army used some of the units up there for research and development. You have to wonder about their motives a little on some of that research, for example, to see if soldiers could be "trained" to digest cellulose.

That is, mixing their food up with ground up paper until most of what they were eating was paper.

Whoever thought that one up had a wicked sense of humor.


44 posted on 03/10/2007 3:44:54 PM PST by Popocatapetl
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To: Popocatapetl

He hated America, and went berserko when RR was elected, but was in every way at least a socialist. Bashed everything our military ever did, but never allowed me to know what he did on whatever island he was on....probably nothing. Strangely he never bashed WWII, but now that I think of it, we didn't esp have an anti-commie stance until afterward. He'd have shot Sen McCarthy if he could have, I'm sure. He also hated that I had read Masters of Deceit and openly made observations of his similarity to many things I learned in the book. I knew him well for the last 20 years of his life. He was really neither R or D....but he kind of liked Carter. Your comment gave me an "Aha!" moment. His background was Hungarian, so he said. In many ways he lived the American dream (depression excepted) but hated our country.


45 posted on 03/10/2007 4:15:30 PM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: verbosevet

The balkanization is done intentionally by certain politicians who hate this country and want to destroy it and everything it stands for - it is part of the globalization process.

There is very little difference between these destructive politicians and Al-Qaeda. In fact, I have more respect for that terror organization because their members do not hide behind the facade of being patriotic Americans.


46 posted on 03/10/2007 7:55:42 PM PST by 353FMG (I never met a liberal I didn't dislike.)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68; Popocatapetl

Ironic as the Aleutians were the only part of American territory that were occupied by the Japanese.


47 posted on 03/10/2007 8:19:03 PM PST by happygrl
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To: nmh
Bush has been a sad sack. He's pathetic. He kisses up to the Muslims while his fascist security thugs shake down old bald guys like me and my aged in laws at security counters. You wouldn't believe the crap we've been subjected to in airports. The towelies go right on by. Some War on Terror.

We are fighting the usual politically correct war, tying our soldier's hands and giving them impossible rules of engagement. Then when the Muzzies attack here, a news blackout ensues on the fact that they are Muzzies. The press uses "gunmen" and "teen." And gunmen is the only time you can use non-gender neutral language.

It's madness, people. Simply madness.
48 posted on 03/11/2007 12:11:34 AM PST by Luke21
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To: Luke21

You summed it up well.

Sorry you've had to be subjected to such stupidity.


49 posted on 03/11/2007 7:05:28 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: Luke21

Yes, they're testing the water HERE. And as you say, it's hushed up. This only emboldens them more. Embassies over seas ... the U.S.S. Cole and finally the WTC ... we just don't learn and don't want to get it. They're chomping at the bit for a bigger WTC attack.


50 posted on 03/11/2007 7:11:34 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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