Skip to comments.From The Greatest Generation To Self-Annihilation
Posted on 03/10/2007 10:08:06 AM PST by verbosevet
In World War II, it wasn't just young men who gave their all. It was women and children. It was W.A.C.s, W.A.S.P.s, and Rosie the Riveter. Kids collected scrap rubber and aluminum for recycling into aircraft parts. There were War Bonds and Civil Air Patrols. The whole nation joined the fight, convinced they'd be speaking German or Japanese if we didn't defeat Nazi tyranny or Japanese Imperialism.
Now we have The Cindy Sheehan Traveling Circus, and Dick Durbin equating the interrogation techniques of US troops to those of Nazi Germany and the Khmer Rouge. We have John Murtha calling Marines "cold-blooded" murderers, and the President of the United States calling citizens who patrol the border during wartime "vigilantes."
Timothy Leary, LSD, and Give Peace a Chance have done more damage to this country than anything in it's entire existence. When the Baby Boomers who answered their country's call in the jungles of Southeast Asia finally did come home, they were spat upon and called all sorts of vile things by their peers. Ironically, there are now yearly reunions in Canada for those who were "brave" enough to refuse orders and flee north.
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After 9/11, I think it would have been helpful if the WH had started a web site about what we as citizens can do to help in the war on terror. Included in that web site should be a list of reading materials so that people know what we're up against.
Western culture can't even seem to articulate why we are fighting against Islamist extremists, let alone why we should win. Sad.
Right you are. That is exactly why the WOT is so distant to the average person. The only people who are really affected by it are those losing limbs and dying or their families.
After 9/11 the president insisted on calling Islam a "religion of peace."
If FDR had made a statement like that about Japan or Germany after December of 1941, he would have been chained to his wheelchair and dumped into the Potomac River.
One can only hope that we wake up SOON!
What's different about this enemy and past enemies is that they are invisible. Muslims live around us. We're told they are the "religion of peace" as they wait for the sign to attack us from WITHIN.
... I would then have him trace the process of our moral decline, to watch, first, the sinking of the foundations of morality as the old teaching was allowed to lapse, then the rapidly increasing disintegration, then the final collapse of the whole edifice, and the dark dawning of our modern day when we can neither endure our vices nor face the remedies needed to cure them.....of late years wealth has made us greedy, and self-indulgence has brought us, through every form of sensual excess, to be, if I may so put it, in love with death both individual and collective... TITUS LIVIUS 59 B.C. TO 17 A.D.
You mean a series of events like another 757 missile, or a few human bombs detonating in shopping malls??
That moronic statement by President Bush set us back years in facing up to the threat of Islam. He is the commander in Chief and the his military subordinates, and others appointed by him politically, are not likely to call him on it.
The problem with facing up to Islam, is you have to do something unpleasant to halt it, if you want to survive.
Islam like cancer is not going away by itself if left unchecked. - Tom
It is so true...
Honestly, probably something greater than either.
I still believe our government is not going to be able to save us once the fight does come here.
It'll be your average redneck, and his concealed-carry permit that will be our salvation at that point, let's be serious. No politician is going to protect this country FOR REAL
To show how compassionate we are? That'll be great when your head is being separated from the rest of your body with a rusty pocketknife. Jesus said turn the other cheek, not "expose the jugular"..
Don't kid yourself into thinking that this is a modern phenomenon. Even in the Civil War there were draft riots and pro-slavery, anti-war Copperheads.
In WWII, anti-war activities were strongly suppressed, such as the Phoenix, AZ, anti-draft riot by blacks who felt they were being drafted in disproportionate numbers. The government response was to call out the national guard and machine gun the asphalt in front of the protesters, showering them with chunks of pavement. Then the news of the event was buried by the local newspaper. No record of casualties. It only came out in the 1960s, when a reporter who had been there was allowed to describe it in detail.
When communists or other unreliables were drafted, they were often shipped to the Aleutian Islands to keep them from agitating, disrupting, or otherwise interfering with the war effort. It was also the dumping ground for individuals who discussed classified information when drunk and other such sins.
The non-draftable communists were also pestiferous. Initially they railed against Nazis, until Hitler signed his pact with Stalin. Then the American communists did a 180 degree turn and fully embraced Nazism as a good thing.
Then when Hitler invaded Russia, the American communists went back to ranting against Hitler. You can see where their loyalties were then, just as you can see where their loyalties are today.
Many such villains spent four years in a federal penitentiary for refusing to be drafted. It was the standard punishment, and well deserved.
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Just thought it was an interesting contrast that the bravery and other traits of those who died by the hundreds of thousands to defeat the Axis in WWII that seem so necesary to win a global conflict do not seem to have been retained by their children...
That's not to say that simply dying by the thousands is a desirable thing, but you can't deny the article's basic premise.
Even after we wake up I don't believe that things are going to be any better unless we unify, which will never happen again. Our emphasis on diversity will prevent us from uniting again.
Does anyone really think that we will be able to trust the many millions of Muslims already in the country? But not to worry; after all they are members of the ROP.
LOL. My father was stationed in the Aleutians. He wasn't a commie by any means, but he was a punk. I didn't know this little tidbit of info about who was stationed there.
We have a lot of Muslim allies, too.
The "Balkanization" of the US began in the 60's and continues unabated. You could very well be right, making the differences between those 2 generations even more apparent.
I can't help but think that since this nation has started taking God out of EVERYTHING, it all turned to poo. In God We Trust is no longer and now we're screwed.
We've lost the ability to discern truth. We're ripe for the pickings.
No Muslim worth his salt will cooperate of collaborate with Infidels. The fundamentals of the religion forbid this. What we have is Muslim heretics who can't abide by the teachings of their faith and the example set by Muhammad. The people are more interested in worldly things than spiritual things and getting along with Infidel scum is just fine with these people.
Just about every religion suffers from people who claim to be of the religion but want to pick and chose the articles of faith to suit their worldly lifestyles.
The Muslims who become infidel collaborators can't stand up to the Wahabbis who teach the religion as written, and lived by Muhammad. Don't befriend Infidels, enslave convert or kill them. That is the fundamentals of the religion.
Don't take my word. Listen to them, and read the Koran and Hadiths. - tom
I disagree fully completely and totally.
As an adult, I dont need my hand held or constant "how to" speeches by some figure head. We are at war. That's all I need to know. Everything after that is up to me. If I cant get my arse off the couch and do something useful then I am to blame and no one else.
If I am so weak and feckless that I fall constant prey to idiotic, moronic and grossly simplistic propaganda produced by those that support our enemy, then I am the betrayer.
If I am so ignorant in how things work and clueless on cause and effect that malicious manipulators can cause me to run around screaming "the sky is falling, the sky is falling" every time there's some logistics glitch or a bad day at the war front, then I am the worthless one.
If I am so degenerate and inbred in my world view that I can side with the agitators and enemy propagandists then I am the traitor.
If I am so afraid of hostile public opinion, that I can witness treason and not call it such for fear of being accused of "questioning their patriotism" then I am the coward.
If I am any of that listed above, then I am the one fit only for a traitors death and no amount of speechifying is going to fix that. If I am not any of the above then no amount of speechifying is going to make me any more solid in supporting my own during a time of war.
You're right. And he's pissed...
Too bad we ALL have to suffer because of these people. Is that what they say? It was a MISTAKE? Last I checked, mistakes are something that WASN'T done on purpose. His wrath will NOT be pretty!
Tell that to the Iraqis.
"When communists or other unreliables were drafted, they were often shipped to the Aleutian Islands to keep them from agitating, disrupting, or otherwise interfering with the war effort. It was also the dumping ground for individuals who discussed classified information when drunk and other such sins."
Do you have some more info on this? I like to look into it, because I knew a guy like that....he sat out WWII in the aleuts and was also what I judged to be a real commie, and he was also a "recovering alcoholic". He's pushing up daisies now.
Why? The entire government was controlled by Democrats. There would have been no reason to do that.
Here here... you have stated a line of truth WE ALL must heed.... I still believe our government is not going to be able to save us once the fight does come here.....
And it will come here. Take your lessons everyone, learn self-defense and how to shoot. We will be the ONLY one's who can protect us. We WILL see this occur in our generation. BE PREPARED!
Stunning stuff! I just printed it out in bold type and taped it to my office wall!! Thanks.
The quote is from Livy's own introduction to his Early History of Rome.
I have met several WWII Aleutian vets. I can assure you that not all of them were "punks". Many fought valiantly and thanklessly in the "forgotten front".
That is exactly why so many Iraqis are being killed. Any so-caled Muslim who wants to introduce democracy will be on the Wahabbi hit list. - tom
In part, because teaching school was a deferment from the draft. There was a great need for teachers at the same time as the Vietnam War escalated, because of the baby boom (the same boom which supplied so many soldiers to the military). Pacifist male boomers made teaching their career choice, in order to avoid service, and thus were in a position to indoctrinate their students for the next 30 + years. Same with grad student deferments that led to professorships. Their students have gone on to continue the leftist indoctrination.
The moral of the story is don't make any occupation a deferment from a military draft unless you want to drive leftie pacifists to that particular career.
Would also make a fine outline for speechifying by a Conservative Presidential candidate....if we can find one!!
You got that right.
A grade school near my home calls themselves the "Peacemakers". On a brick wall erected on their playground is a mural. The faculty had the kids paint on it, among other things, a peace sign, and the globe, with stick figures of people holding hands, all the way around it.
Conspicuously missing is, you guessed it, the American Flag, and anything resembling patriotism. Flower Child Moonbat faculty, indoctrinating the younguns. Isn't that sweet?
My best info was from a gentleman who had been part of the 509th Composite Group. Yes, that one. He said that if you shot your mouth off, or even asked too many questions about the program, you would be off to the Aleutians before nightfall.
An amusing anecdote was how the army used some of the units up there for research and development. You have to wonder about their motives a little on some of that research, for example, to see if soldiers could be "trained" to digest cellulose.
That is, mixing their food up with ground up paper until most of what they were eating was paper.
Whoever thought that one up had a wicked sense of humor.
He hated America, and went berserko when RR was elected, but was in every way at least a socialist. Bashed everything our military ever did, but never allowed me to know what he did on whatever island he was on....probably nothing. Strangely he never bashed WWII, but now that I think of it, we didn't esp have an anti-commie stance until afterward. He'd have shot Sen McCarthy if he could have, I'm sure. He also hated that I had read Masters of Deceit and openly made observations of his similarity to many things I learned in the book. I knew him well for the last 20 years of his life. He was really neither R or D....but he kind of liked Carter. Your comment gave me an "Aha!" moment. His background was Hungarian, so he said. In many ways he lived the American dream (depression excepted) but hated our country.
The balkanization is done intentionally by certain politicians who hate this country and want to destroy it and everything it stands for - it is part of the globalization process.
There is very little difference between these destructive politicians and Al-Qaeda. In fact, I have more respect for that terror organization because their members do not hide behind the facade of being patriotic Americans.
Ironic as the Aleutians were the only part of American territory that were occupied by the Japanese.
You summed it up well.
Sorry you've had to be subjected to such stupidity.
Yes, they're testing the water HERE. And as you say, it's hushed up. This only emboldens them more. Embassies over seas ... the U.S.S. Cole and finally the WTC ... we just don't learn and don't want to get it. They're chomping at the bit for a bigger WTC attack.