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U.S. and Iran Hold Rare Direct Talks
Associated Press (via Breitbart) ^ | Mar 10, 2007 | SCHEHEREZADE FARAMARZI

Posted on 03/10/2007 10:11:02 AM PST by Mr. Mojo

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1 posted on 03/10/2007 10:11:03 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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"Direct Talks" but not one on one talks as been hyped up by the media in an attempt to make President Bush look bad.


2 posted on 03/10/2007 10:32:30 AM PST by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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HELLO to those FReepers who hailed the appointment of a muslim as U.S. ambassador to Iraq. This is a sickening development.

The U.S. ambassador to Iraq, Zalmay Khalilzad, said he exchanged views with Iranian delegates "directly and in the presence of others" at the gathering led by Iraq's neighbors and the five permanent members of the U.N. Security Council.

3 posted on 03/10/2007 10:33:50 AM PST by La Enchiladita (Hunter/Poe 2008 "Once again, our government is on the wrong side of the border war")
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The discussions were confined to one session during a conference on Iraq stability, but they appeared to offer room for further interaction between the two nations _ which find themselves increasingly drawn toward common issues in Iraq as the nation's most The discussions were confined to one session during a conference on Iraq stability, but they appeared to offer room for further interaction between the two nations _ which find themselves increasingly drawn toward common issues in Iraq as the nation's most influential allies.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~(BULLShi'it)>>>>>>>>>INFLUENTIAL ALLIES !!!!<<<<<<<<<<<<!!

WTH is this ??

WTH happened to "We Don't Negotiate With TERRORISTS !!" ??

UN-Friggin'Believeable !!!
4 posted on 03/10/2007 10:42:39 AM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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I agree... bad, bad news... this administration is getting way too "nuanced."


5 posted on 03/10/2007 10:47:06 AM PST by La Enchiladita (Hunter/Poe 2008 "Once again, our government is on the wrong side of the border war")
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

FR is very busy right now for a Saturday, yet just two of us responding. OUR GOVERNMENT IS GIVING LEGITIMACY TO THE KILLERS OF OUR TROOPS, AND PROPOSING AN ALLIANCE WITH THEM.

Can it get much worse????!!!!!


6 posted on 03/10/2007 10:53:52 AM PST by La Enchiladita (Hunter/Poe 2008 "Once again, our government is on the wrong side of the border war")
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6436561.stm

Last Updated: Saturday, 10 March 2007, 18:39 GMT

Iraq plea to help tackle violence

The violence continued as the delegates discussed security
Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri Maliki has appealed to its neighbours to help tackle the insurgency which has left tens of thousands dead since 2003.

He was addressing an international meeting in Baghdad which brought together envoys from the US, Iran and Syria for the first time in years.

The US blames both for stoking the violence, but the meeting was said to be constructive and positive.

As talks started, a car bomb in Sadr City was reported to have killed 18.

About 40 people were injured in the attack in the largely Shia neighbourhood of Baghdad. At about the same time, at least two mortar shells landed near the conference venue but injured no-one, a witness said.

What has obstructed the economic and political building process in Iraq and has threatened civil peace is the terrorism

The one-day conference on ways to restore stability in Iraq was also attended by envoys from other members of the UN Security Council, the Arab League, the Gulf Co-operation Council as well as other states bordering Iraq.

Observers say it was seen as an attempt to break the ice, and the beginning of a process.

Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari said the meeting had decided to set up several committees to discuss issues including security, refugees and energy supplies.

'Direct exchange'

The US has had no diplomatic relations with Iran for almost three decades, and its ties with Damascus have been severely strained.

The Americans are said to have shaken hands with the Iranian and Syrian envoys and US Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad said there had been "direct exchanges and meetings and discussions" between the US and Iranian delegation.

"The discussions with Iran and with others with regard to Iraq was instructive, businesslike, problem-solving in its orientation. I think I would leave it at that," Mr Khalilzad said.

He also appeared to address Iranian complaints that several Iranian diplomats were being held by US troops after being detained in Iraq in January.

He told the conference: "The coalition does not have anyone in detention who is a diplomat."

'In the front line'

Our correspondent says that for Iraq the meeting wa an important opportunity to bring together neighbours and other powers who have often seemed to be using the country as a proxy battlefield for their own struggles.


The conference venue is just outside the fortified Green Zone
In his opening address, Prime Minister Maliki called terrorism "an international epidemic" for which the people of Iraq were paying the price.

"Iraq is the first front line in facing this terrorism - which needs a lot of international co-operation to confront it - especially the neighbouring countries in particular to support us in this great war," he said.

Iran is a key supporter of the Shia majority in Iraq, while Saudi Arabia and other Sunni Arab states would like to see a better deal for Iraq's Sunni minority.

But our correspondent says Iran and Saudi Arabia have been working closely together recently to help defuse similar conflicts in Lebanon and the Palestinian Authority and there are hopes that this spirit will give impetus to the conference.

Ahead of the talks, US President George W Bush - on a Latin American tour - said the US message to Syria and Iran was unchanged.

"We expect you to help this young democracy and we will defend ourselves and the people in Iraq from weapons being shipped," he said.

The conference comes amid a new security drive by US and Iraqi forces.

Mr Bush has ordered in more than 20,000 additional troops to try to quell the unrest.






7 posted on 03/10/2007 10:57:29 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: La Enchiladita

USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN 69) - North Arabian Sea
USS John C. Stennis (CVN 74) - North Arabian Sea
(navy.mil)
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Hi,Dita,,,CVN-69 was pulled out of the Persian Gulf a few days ago,,,been in there a week or so,,,odd timing,,,
Was this "arranged" as a show of good faith by the
Moozzi~DOS ?? He don't order Carrier Strike Groups around..
Moozzi~DOS must have had Help...


8 posted on 03/10/2007 11:05:43 AM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: La Enchiladita

That would be a "DamnifIknow",,,All should be able to see it,,,maybe they all "Drank the Orange~Juice" !!!
If This Krap Don't Embolden moozzi,,,I Don't Know What Would !!

Prayers Up for the TROOPS,,,

GOD Bless And Keep Them...


9 posted on 03/10/2007 11:11:39 AM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: La Enchiladita

Wake Up And Smell The Orange Juice/Koolaid bump...


10 posted on 03/10/2007 12:20:21 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: 4butnomorethan30characters
BCAUSE I JUST FOUND 4. ooops

Well, we just cut our nuts. A moozie ambassador and direct talks with a terrorist. W has some splaining to do.

13 posted on 03/10/2007 12:39:05 PM PST by WorkerbeeCitizen (Religion of peace my arse - We need a maintenance Crusade - piss on Islam)
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Hey,WB,,,Lots of folks have seen this thread but only a few
seem to care enough to Support The Troops with a post
condeming the MOOZZI~DOS et al for talking to Terrorists!!!

WTH has happened ???


14 posted on 03/10/2007 12:45:52 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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WTH has happened ???

Looks like the Bush admin is following the advice of the appeasement-happy Baker and his commission, which of course sends a message of weakness to all our enemies. ....a message they've received in many forms and on many occasions during the past three decades.

Asking Iranian help to end the violence in Iraq is akin to asking for Nazi help to end the violence in Europe in WW2.

15 posted on 03/10/2007 12:56:04 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: 4butnomorethan30characters
Agreed. He has known all along this was going to happen. Sometimes I am disappointed that I voted for him - but then I remember the alternative.
19 posted on 03/10/2007 1:10:04 PM PST by WorkerbeeCitizen (Religion of peace my arse - We need a maintenance Crusade - piss on Islam)
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Amen to that, Mr. Mojo. Apt analogy. Still waiting for the FR apologists.....

The writing is on the wall.


20 posted on 03/10/2007 1:15:25 PM PST by La Enchiladita (Hunter/Poe 2008 "Once again, our government is on the wrong side of the border war")
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68
WTH happened to "We Don't Negotiate With TERRORISTS !!" ??

We negotiated?

21 posted on 03/10/2007 1:15:50 PM PST by FreeReign (Still looking for the best conservative candidate.)
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To: 4butnomorethan30characters

Yup. My pisstivity level is going waaaay up on this one. I truly expected outrage.


23 posted on 03/10/2007 1:19:34 PM PST by WorkerbeeCitizen (Religion of peace my arse - We need a maintenance Crusade - piss on Islam)
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To: Mr. Mojo

TANKS a Bunch for this thread,,,
I think you are correct,,,
Why these numbers for this thread :

13 replies · 307+ views

few min. ago,,,I posted the link on the "Support the Troops" thread,,,News from the Long War thread,,,

Looks like nobody cares,,,

I've got friends and kin in both the 2nd and 3rd Brg.
10th Mt.Div. , Iraq and Afghanistan killin' the people
that this Moozzi~DOS wants to talk to !!!
Last count we have lost over 170 KIA from iran supplied
EFPs ,,, not to mention MANPADS and the rest of the krap
they supply...
I would have thought this thread would have started to glow by now !!!

~~~~Where is the Outrage on FR ??~~~~

Prayers Up For The Troops,,,

GOD Bless And Keep Them Safe...


24 posted on 03/10/2007 1:20:19 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: 4butnomorethan30characters
Oh where, oh where art thou conservatives?

Maybe they don't read AP agit-prop.

25 posted on 03/10/2007 1:22:52 PM PST by FreeReign (Still looking for the best conservative candidate.)
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The chief Iranian envoy, Abbas Araghchi, said he restated his country's demands for a clear timetable for the withdrawal of U.S.-led forces, which he insisted have made Iraq a magnet for extremists from across the Muslim world.

Demands are part of negotiations, are they not?

The mere fact of talking to the Iranians is a concession. Do you talk to someone who is killing your family?

26 posted on 03/10/2007 1:23:21 PM PST by La Enchiladita (Hunter/Poe 2008 "Once again, our government is on the wrong side of the border war")
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The chief Iranian envoy, Abbas Araghchi, said he restated his country's demands for a clear timetable for the withdrawal of U.S.-led forces, which he insisted have made Iraq a magnet for extremists from across the Muslim world.

No. It takes two to negotiate.

Demands are part of negotiations, are they not?

No. All negotiations have demands. All demands are not part of a negotiation.

The mere fact of talking to the Iranians is a concession. Do you talk to someone who is killing your family?

Yes, you tell them to stop the killing and that they will pay for what they've done.

28 posted on 03/10/2007 1:32:30 PM PST by FreeReign (Still looking for the best conservative candidate.)
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We negotiated?
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When you sit down with a terrorist nation's guy and talk
about "ALLIES" in rebuilding/trade with,,,,,,,,,
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BAGHDAD (AP) -- U.S. and Iranian envoys exchanged direct talks Saturday on efforts to end Iraq's violence and bolster its government, opening limited but potentially significant contacts that could ease their nearly 28-year diplomatic freeze.
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What else could this be called ???
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The discussions were confined to one session during a conference on Iraq stability, but they appeared to offer room for further interaction between the two nations _ which find themselves increasingly drawn toward common issues in Iraq as the nation's most influential allies.
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What else could this be called ???
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The U.S. ambassador to Iraq, Zalmay Khalilzad, said he exchanged views with Iranian delegates "directly and in the presence of others" at the gathering led by Iraq's neighbors and the five permanent members of the U.N. Security Council.
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This Sez It All !!!

WHY the 180 turn ???(shakin' head sadly)


29 posted on 03/10/2007 1:32:32 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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Honestly, if you were a deployed troop right now, how would you take this?


30 posted on 03/10/2007 1:35:13 PM PST by La Enchiladita (Hunter/Poe 2008 "Once again, our government is on the wrong side of the border war")
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If you view this as propaganda, then there's nothing I could possibly say that would help you.

I see no evidence in this AP article that would lead me to conclude at this time that we are "negotiating" with the Iranians.

If you don't want a post of yours to be viewed as propaganda, then don't misinform by using the word "negotiating", when there is no evidence to support that claim.

Sorry I can't help you further.

31 posted on 03/10/2007 1:38:30 PM PST by FreeReign (Still looking for the best conservative candidate.)
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30 replies · 437+ views


32 posted on 03/10/2007 1:39:45 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: La Enchiladita

I'd take it as a sign not to take my boots off.


33 posted on 03/10/2007 1:39:52 PM PST by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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"directly and in the presence of others" This Sez It All !!!

The above in quotes is all that AP gives us.

Sez, not much.

35 posted on 03/10/2007 1:41:52 PM PST by FreeReign (Still looking for the best conservative candidate.)
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To: La Enchiladita

The girl's name Sheherezade \shehe-reza-de, sheher(e)-zade\ is of Arabic, Farsi and Persian origin, and its meaning is "city dweller". In "A Thousand and One Arabian Nights", Sheherazade tells one tale to her royal husband each night. Having been betrayed by his first wife, the husband had resolved to marry a different virgin each day, and kill at dawn. So fascinating were Sheherazade's stories, however, that the king let her live so that he could keep hearing them. He eventually fell in love with her.


36 posted on 03/10/2007 1:42:38 PM PST by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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"AMBASSADOR SATTERFIELD: If we are approached over orange juice by the Syrians or the Iranians to discuss an Iraq-related issue that is germane to this topic -- stable, secure, peaceful, democratic Iraq -- we are not going to turn and walk away."

Better source. It says we are talking -- it doesn't say we are negotiating.

37 posted on 03/10/2007 1:44:15 PM PST by FreeReign (Still looking for the best conservative candidate.)
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"Prime Minister Maliki called terrorism "an international epidemic" for which the people of Iraq were paying the price."

In other words, he's telling people from the other countries that everybody knows their douchebags are ending up in Iraq.

Let's give these people some more time with each other. Let's see what they do!

38 posted on 03/10/2007 1:45:50 PM PST by BobS
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Honestly, if you were a deployed troop right now, how would you take this?

Don't know. I don't know what we said to the Iranians.

I would hope we would say something like, "quit killing our troops. You will pay for what you've done".

Honestly, would you prefer that we ignore the Iranians when our paths cross at a meeting or would perfer that we tell them what I said above?

39 posted on 03/10/2007 1:47:53 PM PST by FreeReign (Still looking for the best conservative candidate.)
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looky


41 posted on 03/10/2007 1:58:39 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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Better source. It says we are talking -- it doesn't say we are negotiating.

Hypothetical. Someone has a gun to your temple and you are restrained. This person offers to discuss the situation. Are you going to talk to this person just for conversations or are you not hoping to negotiate a way out of him pulling the trigger. Your symantics with the wording is a very weak argument.

No. Your hypothetical is very weak logically. We are not restrained and I see no evidence of negotiation.

When confronted at a meeting by Iranians we could do one of the following.

1.) negotiate, 2.) ignore them or 3.) tell them to quit killing our servicemen and that they will pay for what they have done.

The first option would be inappropriate, and it is my belief that the third option would be more desirable to the second option.

42 posted on 03/10/2007 2:06:28 PM PST by FreeReign (Still looking for the best conservative candidate.)
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"I'd take it as a sign not to take my boots off."

If your feet stink, spray Desenex inside of your socks.

43 posted on 03/10/2007 2:07:22 PM PST by BobS
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Never said I trust Sheherezade or any of the MSM. In fact, last week I was pointing out the hit on the WRAMC, while other FReepers jumped on the MSM bandwagon. But one cannot deny that this "conference" is taking place.

Talking with the Iranians was key to the Baker Commission Report (ISG), which was loudly and soundly decried on this forum.

But, inch by inch, it is being implemented.

Talking or negotiating, it's just a matter of semantics. Someone used leverage to get this meeting. We're playing HIS game.

Stay tuned. I'm looking up some links from last summer...


45 posted on 03/10/2007 2:21:37 PM PST by La Enchiladita (Hunter/Poe 2008 "Once again, our government is on the wrong side of the border war")
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To: FreeReign

Did(__________________)(fill in blank with happy word),,,

Work with North Korea...???

Work with the NVA...???

Of course not...and what happened ??

Very Sad things happened...Fact...Not Opinion...

Just so we understand each other,,,
The US Military in iraq is like a bayonet in Moozzi's Gut!!
It cuts moozzi~land in half from the Persian Gulf to
Turkey,,,The Libo~Krap poo-loticians very well have forced
us to "Blink" in the face of the enemy(IMHO),,,
It's time to twist that bayonet,,,not pull it out,,ever...


46 posted on 03/10/2007 2:22:37 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: FreeReign

What happened to OUR demand that Iran comply with IAEA?


47 posted on 03/10/2007 2:22:40 PM PST by La Enchiladita (Hunter/Poe 2008 "Once again, our government is on the wrong side of the border war")
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To: BobS

So, we're begging the other countries (Iran) to stop the terrorism?

Since when has that approach ever led to V-I-C-T-O-R-Y?


48 posted on 03/10/2007 2:25:51 PM PST by La Enchiladita (Hunter/Poe 2008 "Once again, our government is on the wrong side of the border war")
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68
The Libo~Krap poo-loticians very well have forced us to "Blink" in the face of the enemy(IMHO),,, It's time to twist that bayonet,,,not pull it out,,ever...

So then your complaint is that we haven't acted yet against Iran.

I think that it is appropriate that Iran should pay for what they done to our servicemen.

49 posted on 03/10/2007 2:30:42 PM PST by FreeReign (Still looking for the best conservative candidate.)
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So then your complaint is that we haven't acted yet against Iran.
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That's a start,,,after 9/11 their all on my target list...
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I think that it is appropriate that Iran should pay for what they done to our servicemen.
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Roger-That,,,gotta stay,Hang Tuff in iraq,,Soldier On,,,
Whatever it takes to keep iraq as a launching point against
ALL of our enemies in the WOT...


50 posted on 03/10/2007 2:48:38 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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