Skip to comments.Why Rudy Giuliani Really Shouldn’t be President
Posted on 03/10/2007 9:24:06 PM PST by Angel
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I guess you didn't get the point...
Nominating Rudy IS supporting Hillary...
The only way she can win is to split the Republican vote and I know of no better way to do that than nominate a pro-abortion gun-grabber.
"Well, don`t vote in November for Rudy if he`s the nominee. Hillorat will be so happy. And, the pro-life and pro-gun causes certainly will be advanced in the Ms. Clinton administration, right?"
I think you got it backwards FRiend. See the letter below you'll be getting from President Rodman if you decide to support Rudy...
Dear RINO Rudy Supporters,
I want to thank you for your wonderful support in helping to get me elected POTUS. Bill and I are so thrilled to be back in the White House again. Your active support for Rudy, and getting him nominated, was the key to me winning. Without your help Bill and I would not be here today.
President Hillary Rodman
P.S. I plan to nominate Rudy to the Supreme Court as soon as there is a vacancy. He will help us tilt the court back in our favor to assure that millions more unborn babies will never see the light of day. After all, it's every woman's right!
P.S.S. As you may recall, my campaign slogan was, "We're Going to Take Things Away From You on Behalf of the Common Good". ALL YOUR POSSESIONS BELONG TO ME---YEEHAAAA!!!!
we had better hang it all up and cash it in as a nation.
for the "good"
No, I understood it prefectly. It's BS. I don't care what lies the left employs the epithet against anyone to the right of them same doesn't mean that the two targets are the same. Yours is a false analogy.
You don't understand what fascism is or how it is sold. Need I remind you how the European fascists of the 30s came to power by election? They were selling public order and safety. That's Rudy's appeal.
Anyone who robs people of their right of self-defense to be replaced by a system of police chasing down minute violations of laws subject to selective enforcement is a fascist. No matter how effective that system might have been, no matter how much better you think the city has become, that's what it is: fascism.
But, that doesn't mean he's like Hitler.
I didn't say he's like Hitler; I said he's a fascist, just like Arnold. They're two peas in a pod:
Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do and how you do it. Rudy Giuliani
Thanks! At times lately I think I've accidentally logged into DUng... ;^)
A MAJOR thumbs up!
He even tells you why: "One didnt have to share all of Giulianis colorblind, law-and-order, and free-market presumptions to want big shifts in liberal Democratic paradigms".
So Sleeper and the rest of the New York Left hate Rudy for three things:
1) Colorblind policies
2) Emphasis on law and order
3) Presumption in favor of free markets.
Hey Carry-Okie--from one okie to another--you make me proud! Great post!
Are you saying that people carrying handguns would have produced the same decrease in violent crime that Giuliani's law enforcement policies achieved? I understand perfectly well what fascism is and how it's sold. I know more about it than you do. No amount of exaggeration and hysteria will change the fact that he is not a fascist. NYC did not become a police-state. I don't support Giuliani for President, but if he's elected, this country will not become a police state. The statement you quote is out of context. I'd like to see the rest of what he had to say. Prior to becoming President, Reagan had a reputation as Governor of California that was seen by his enemies as fascist. He was a hard-line law and order advocate who's anti-crime policies were for "public order and safety." He used force against Anti-Viet Nam war demonstrators. He was compared to Hitler. Reagan was not a fascist. Giuliani is not a fascist.
I understand perfectly well what fascism is and how it's sold. I know more about it than you do.
I doubt that seriously.
I don't support Giuliani for President, but if he's elected, this country will not become a police state.
I don't believe that. One act of terrorism and he'll have all the weapons he needs. His antipathy to the Fourth and Fifth Amendments as a US Attorney is all I need as evidence of his propensities.
Prior to becoming President, Reagan had a reputation as Governor of California that was seen by his enemies as fascist.
As a person who was living in a city adjoining Berkekey at the time of People's Park demonstrations I can say unequivocally that the reputation and the reality were two different things. Really, you don't know what you are talking about if you make that comparison. Reagan was unbelievably tolerant against deliberate violent provocation by dedicated and well funded communists, something Rudy never faced. These people belonged to organizations that had used bombs and were photographed carrying automatic weapons.
Reagan was not a fascist. Giuliani is not a fascist.
No sale, and I know a damned sight more about Bratton's "Broken Window" theory than you realize.
The left loves him. N.A.R.A.L., the National Abortion Rights Action League, even had Rudy as their speaker at their "Champions of Choice" Lunch. Rudy marches with the Stonewall organization in their gay "pride" parades.
I lived for 8 years with Giuliani as my Mayor. I did not live in a police state. Only Liberals thought that Giuliani was a fascist running a police state in NYC. The Conservatives I know loved him. Only Liberals I know hated him. They called his quality of life crime policies fascist. He was a fascist for cleaning up porn shops and the street crime it attracted. A fascist for not allowing homeless street people to sleep on the city streets, the subways and in train and bus terminals. A fascist for saying that taxpayer money should not go to support the anti-Christian Brooklyn Museum exhibit. A fascist for cracking down on street drug activity. There are many more examples. The idea that he would use a terrorist act as an excuse to become a dictator is the same line we get from his enemies on the Left. Your version of reality is in line with his DemonRat enemies. I thought he was a RINO Liberal? Now, he's a would-be fascist dictator. Which is it?
That's a funny line; intentional or not. LOL
FR polls are not only meaningless, but utter piffle.
In many respects they are. A better way to have dealt with it would have been liability law.
I thought he was a RINO Liberal? Now, he's a would-be fascist dictator. Which is it?
Excuse me, but fascism IS SOCIALIST; it is a creature of the left, not conservatism. The NAZIs were the National Socialist Workers Party. They believed collective rights superceded individual rights. They believed in gun control. They believed in neo-pagan nature worship. Many of their top leaders were gay.
RINO Rudy supports all of those things. That fits too.
The Left loves Giuliani? Go to DU or some other Leftist forum and tell them that. They will think that's ridiculous. All Mayors and other public officials in NYC march in parades. That does not mean they agree with the organizers of it. There are public officials who march in the St. Patrick's Day parade in spite of the fact that they disagree with the policy that forbids Irish gay groups from marching. It's just standard politics.
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