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Has cash had its chips?[2012 Britain will be a cashless society]
Daily Mail ^ | 12 March 2007 | FIONA MACRAE

Posted on 03/12/2007 8:00:44 PM PDT by FLOutdoorsman

Until now, royalty and paupers have been the only ones not to carry cash. But within five years, it could apply to all of us.

The prediction comes, perhaps not surprisingly, from a man whose career is based on the growth of plastic transactions.

Peter Ayliffe, head of Visa's European operation, says that by 2012 Britain will be a cashless society in which everyone will see credit and debit cards as more convenient than notes and coins.

He believes the transition will be eased by the advent of a new generation of "wave and pay" cards which it is hoped will speed the purchase of small items such as newspapers and cups of coffee usually paid for with cash. Shoppers could even find themselves surcharged for paying in cash.

Today, convenience and credithungry Britons spend more than £300billion a year on plastic, paying with debit and credit cards more than six billion times a year.

Last December alone, shoppers made 669million transactions with plastic - charging a record £ 31billion to their credit and debit cards.

However, surveys show that almost half of Britons prefer to use cash for anything costing less than £10.

"Wave and pay" cards, under trial by Visa and Barclaycard, are being introduced in the hope of persuading these customers that it is quicker and easier to pay with plastic.

Mastercard is also working on its own version of the technology.

The cards work by being passed over a scanner at a shop check-out.

The most common form at the moment is the Oyster card used to pay for journeys on the London public transport system.

The prediction of a cashless society comes five years after Britons spent more on plastic than on cash and cheque for the first time, and 41 years after the introduction of the first credit card. Some utility firms have started to penalise householders who still prefer to settle their bills by cash or cheque.

Last month, BT caused uproar by announcing it was introducing charges for the millions of customers who choose not to pay by direct debit.

However, not everyone shares Mr Ayliffe's vision, with the British Retail Consortium saying that the high fees imposed on retailers by credit card companies encourage shop owners to seek payment by cash rather than plastic.

A spokesman for the consortium said: "It is about providing a service for customers, and as long as we are in a situation where customers require cash transactions, we are going to provide that facility for them.

"While it is possible that we will reach a stage where we have become a cashless society, it will be a long way away."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: cards; cashless; credit; money

1 posted on 03/12/2007 8:00:49 PM PDT by FLOutdoorsman
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To: FLOutdoorsman

I can't see a cashless America for many years.


2 posted on 03/12/2007 8:05:14 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: cripplecreek

Well, good thing we have the Constitution.


3 posted on 03/12/2007 8:06:08 PM PDT by FLOutdoorsman (Hunter/Paul 08)
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To: FLOutdoorsman

Related:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1788960/posts
Card holders charged for being in credit[Fines for positive balances on their credit card]

Amounts of money people have can be controlled easier this way [cashless society].

IBM and the Holocaust, Redo. Or did it ever stop?


4 posted on 03/12/2007 8:08:23 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: cripplecreek

Not completely cashless but very little cash passes through my hands. Direct deposits and on line bill payments have almost eliminated checks for me also.


5 posted on 03/12/2007 8:08:50 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: FLOutdoorsman

Uh, huh. And we achieved the paperless office how long ago? Won't happen.


6 posted on 03/12/2007 8:09:46 PM PDT by Reaganesque
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To: Reaganesque

That's correct. Remember, Computers were supposed to cut down on paper.


7 posted on 03/12/2007 8:12:06 PM PDT by FLOutdoorsman (Hunter/Paul 08)
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To: cripplecreek

Heck no. I live by a cash only lifestyle as much as possible. Really helps keep us on our budget.


8 posted on 03/12/2007 8:12:11 PM PDT by mockingbyrd (peace begins in the womb)
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To: Graybeard58

I do pay almost all my bills online but I still like to keep a couple hundred dollars on hand. I can't see paying for gas or groceries with a credit card. I don't even like to write checks when I shop.


9 posted on 03/12/2007 8:12:55 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: cripplecreek

The underground economy is too big, and too many people have a stake in it. Cashless is a drag.


10 posted on 03/12/2007 8:13:38 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do suck seed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: FLOutdoorsman

I don't think cash will completely go out.

I rarely handle cash or checks (direct deposit at work, debit card), but I keep my checkbook handy and some cash in my wallet, just in case.


11 posted on 03/12/2007 8:15:48 PM PDT by El Conservador ("The world needs to be reminded that all human ills are not curable by legislation" - Warren Harding)
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To: FLOutdoorsman
Well, good thing we have the Constitution.

What??? That quaint old thing? Nobody pays attention to that anymore. Constitutional Republic you say? Pfffft. Tyranny of the Marxist Minority is where the action is.
/wish it was sarcasm

Wouldn't it be a hoot if a Constitutional amendment was passed to officially designate America a Socialist Democracy and UN protectorate? The progress towards True Compulsory Collectivist Utopia of the Socialist Brotherhood might even hasten, and it will be official! Europe had better speed up its decline too, or they won't win the race to the bottom!

12 posted on 03/12/2007 8:24:08 PM PDT by M203M4 (Tancredo, Cox, and Paul are lepers I guess. Not liberal enough...)
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To: FLOutdoorsman

If this happens I am for sure going to stock pile a couple thousand dollars worth of raw silver.


13 posted on 03/12/2007 8:24:19 PM PDT by LukeL (Never let the enemy pick the battle site. (Gen. George S. Patton))
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To: FLOutdoorsman

I snuck out of the office and watch "300" today. There were 3 lines of people at the concession stand. Every single person I saw used a credit or debit card. To buy popcorn? That looks so weird to me. I feel nekkid without a wad of cash on me.


14 posted on 03/12/2007 8:26:00 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Oh! The Obamanation! Durka durka durka...)
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To: FLOutdoorsman

There maybe advantages to a cashless society,but there are also aspects that ain't so nice. For instance how hard would it be for any government to track just about everything you do over the course of a day.If you use a credit card or maybe even some type of micro chip implanted under the skin there would be an electronic map of where you are and what your doing. I'd rather take my chances with good old fashion cash cause it gives me a little more non trackable freedom !!!


15 posted on 03/12/2007 8:30:10 PM PDT by Obie Wan
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To: FLOutdoorsman
Poor minority women and children hurt the most!

Will beggars be giving ATM card readers?

16 posted on 03/12/2007 8:34:31 PM PDT by ThomasThomas (I just can't say Democrat with out the ick)
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To: ThomasThomas

Brother, can you spare a swipe?


17 posted on 03/12/2007 8:36:58 PM PDT by FLOutdoorsman (Hunter/Paul 08)
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To: cripplecreek
I can't see paying for gas or groceries with a credit card.

You don't pay at the pump? I won't buy gas any other way.

18 posted on 03/12/2007 8:40:11 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: FLOutdoorsman

Eliminating cash is heaven for both Government and Corporate control freaks.


19 posted on 03/12/2007 8:48:12 PM PDT by Aikonaa
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To: cripplecreek

Don't know about this

The vast majority of my transactions are either
Automatic withdrawal payments (bills), a few checks, or
Transactions on our Credit cards, always paid off monthly

in our house, Cash is used for extremely minor purchases only
I could make this transition effortlessly


20 posted on 03/12/2007 9:00:36 PM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: FLOutdoorsman
Right. I will still keep silver coins in my safe and cash on hand.

I read an article (possibly here on Free Republic) about a man who helped out some of the better prepared Hurricane Katrina evacuees. He allowed several to park their RV's in his yard, as he was quite a distance inland. He had an emergency supply of food on hand that was supposed to feed him and his wife for weeks. Feeding this many people depleted his food. Those who's banks were in the hardest hit areas had checks and ATM cards, but the bank was underwater and the cards didn't work. This guy did cash several small checks for the evacuees, but he said he didn't expect that he would ever see his money back.

The convenience of plastic is wonderful, until it doesn't work. Then it's damned inconvenient.
21 posted on 03/12/2007 9:27:57 PM PDT by passionfruit
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To: passionfruit

So long as there are drugs,hookers, booze and gambling....there will be cash...


22 posted on 03/12/2007 9:45:01 PM PDT by Crim (Dont frak with the Zeitgeist....)
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To: passionfruit
The convenience of plastic is wonderful, until it doesn't work. Then it's damned inconvenient.

Long story short...I was in SF in '89...sitting down to watch the World Series when Loma Prieta hit...without power or services for a week.

I was in Seattle...2001...Nisqually earthquake.

Have a bag of about $300 - $500 in quarters. You won't overpay for anything, and the storekeepers will think you're a god.

23 posted on 03/12/2007 9:49:41 PM PDT by paulat (I'd rather spend my vote on someone who CAN ACTUALLY BE ELECTED)
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To: FLOutdoorsman
He believes the transition will be eased by the advent of a new generation of "wave and pay" cards which it is hoped will speed the purchase of small items such as newspapers and cups of coffee usually paid for with cash.

Has anybody else seen that Visa commercial in the diner where everything is running like a perfect machine until a guy dares to pull out a ten to pay for his $5.25 sandwich, and everything comes crashing to a halt? The people in line and the lady at the register look like they'd like to lynch him. I find the commercial chilling, quite frankly.

24 posted on 03/12/2007 10:03:04 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: jiggyboy
I find the commercial chilling, quite frankly.

That said...however...if I find myself behind one more geezer in the express line who waits to have his three-item purchase bagged and THEN pulls out his checkbook...

...ain't no tellin' what'll happen....

25 posted on 03/12/2007 10:09:23 PM PDT by paulat (I'd rather spend my vote on someone who CAN ACTUALLY BE ELECTED)
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To: FLOutdoorsman

I remember in the 1980's, they said computers were going to turn us into a paperless society within a decade.

While a lot of data that used to be on paper is now in databases, I work for a bank and paper useage has only increased.

I don't believe paper currency won't be going away for decades or more.


26 posted on 03/12/2007 10:09:40 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican
"...I don't believe paper currency won't be going away for decades or more...."

Not while China blows-up satellites out in space.

:-(

27 posted on 03/13/2007 3:42:46 AM PDT by Eclectica (Ask your MD about Evolution. Please!)
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To: cripplecreek
A cashless society is coming, not only to Brittan but to America and the entire world:

“and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.

Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six. Here is understanding calculate the number of the beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six.” (Revelation 13:17 – 18)

What we see taking place in Brittan and throughout the world is but a foreshadow of what is coming. But be forewarned! God's Word clearly prophesies it's coming and unequivocally says that there will be an eternal price to pay in the Lake of Fire for this coming "cashless society"… for EVERYONE, without exception, who takes the mark of the beast for the sake of "convenience":

“Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,

he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.

“And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.” (Revelation 14:9 - 12)

28 posted on 03/13/2007 5:19:11 AM PDT by Jmouse007 (Convert, Slavery or Death = "Islam the Religion of Peace tm" "It's time to play Cowboys and Muslims")
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To: Calpernia

You are absolutely correct in your assessment; see post #28!


29 posted on 03/13/2007 5:21:16 AM PDT by Jmouse007 (Convert, Slavery or Death = "Islam the Religion of Peace tm" "It's time to play Cowboys and Muslims")
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To: Obie Wan

You are correct... see post #28.


30 posted on 03/13/2007 5:22:31 AM PDT by Jmouse007 (Convert, Slavery or Death = "Islam the Religion of Peace tm" "It's time to play Cowboys and Muslims")
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To: Jmouse007

There is hope.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1799017/posts
Long-Secret Archive of Nazi War Records to be Opened

if we get those records open, we will see all the infiltrators (spies) that were deployed by Dr. Veesenmayer to America, England and other countries. The spies were given the identities of the purged Jews and were sent as 'refugees'.

That may put a halt to all of this.


31 posted on 03/13/2007 5:41:06 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Jmouse007

Scripture was my point of reference in the first place. Society here and abroad ultimately will go to a cashless system for a number of reasons and once it happens the trap's set. To be sure there will always be a few of us rebels trying to work around it with trade and barter but generally economics will be done electronically!!!


32 posted on 03/13/2007 5:46:56 AM PDT by Obie Wan
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To: All

Olympics 2012


33 posted on 03/13/2007 5:54:18 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: All

Olympics 2012 in London


34 posted on 03/13/2007 5:54:32 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Jmouse007

So you're saying that American Express is the antichrist?

You people with your doom and gloom over credit cards crack me up. Not long ago, a fellow I worked with owed me some money, and so he gave me $250 in cash. I was frankly a little puzzled, but I took the money and thanked him. I bet I had that money in my pocket for months before I finally spent it all.

Sorry, dude, using cash is just silly. For instance, everytime I use my American Express card to buy a plane ticket, I get a free companion ticket. Why, again, should I pay cash? When I buy my groceries or gas, I get double "points" that I can use to buy things like golf clubs or an HDTV or whatnot.

Incidentally, couldn't your same post be applied to paper money instead of gold? After all, paper money has no intrinsic value, but try going to McDonalds and paying with a few gold nuggets. How does that work?


35 posted on 03/13/2007 6:04:51 AM PDT by Publius Valerius
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To: Publius Valerius

After all, paper money has no intrinsic value, but try going to McDonalds and paying with a few gold nuggets. How does that work?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I don't know about McDonald's but I will gladly furnish a fine cheeseburger and fries to anyone for "a few gold nuggets".


36 posted on 03/13/2007 3:49:09 PM PDT by RipSawyer (Does anybody still believe this is a free country?)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

There were two things people predicting a paperless office didn't get.
1 - reading on screen sucks, as long as that's the case people will want print outs
2 - replacability spawns more printing, back when getting a copy of the big report was a chore people knew where there hardcopies were at all times, now that the big report gets e-mailed to you then you print it if you lose your copy you just print it again

Neither of those really applies to money. Money has been moving more and more virtual for a long time. With travelers checks, personal checks, credit cards, debit cards, and EFTs most of the money running around this country doesn't actually exist. And it's just going to keep gaining momentum. I doubt cash will totally go away fora long time, the last nail in the coffin of cash will be when they figure out how to make it so I can transfer money from one disposable phone card style value holder to another without involving a 3rd party. Once they manage to do that then the underground economy will be able to go virtual and cash will dissapear.


37 posted on 03/13/2007 4:00:45 PM PDT by discostu (The fat lady laughs, gentlemen, start your trucks)
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To: Graybeard58
Direct deposits and on line bill payments have almost eliminated checks for me also.

Aye- for me as well. I can't actually remember the last time I wrote a check, it's literally been more than five years. Last time I opened a new bank account I just told 'em not to bother giving me any checkbook.

38 posted on 03/14/2007 4:13:02 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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