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GOP leaders: Don't 'Bob Dole' us again
WorldNetDaily ^ | March 13, 2007 | Mychal Massie

Posted on 03/13/2007 1:02:47 AM PDT by DakotaRed

March 13, 2007 1:00 a.m. Eastern

[The] "Hustle" may have been a line dance we did back in the days of disco, but today it's what GOP leadership and a complicit media are trying to do to the voters responsible for the Republican Party's successes since Ronald Reagan.

Realistic chances of winning notwithstanding, there are no fewer than 13 Republicans in the contest for the 2008 presidential sweepstakes. But to hear party leadership and the media spin promote the candidates, one easily gets the impression that John McCain, Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney are not just the only candidates, but that McCain and Romney are the opening act for Giuliani as he awaits his coronation.

This is a ruse, a con, and in brief, an attempt to hustle the voters. GOP leadership is trying to "Bob Dole" us. They have, in effect, met in the smoke-filled back room of a private club and decided amongst themselves who they want in 2008. Their problem is how to deceive the voters into believing that said pick is of the voters' choosing.

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Got to say, Massie doesn't pull any punches here.
1 posted on 03/13/2007 1:02:50 AM PDT by DakotaRed
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To: DakotaRed
In 1996 we were told that we had to have Bob Dole because he had the best chance to win.

As a result, we passed up dynamic thinkers like Steve Forbes whose ideas galvanized the nation. I am not saying that Forbes would have won, but his loss would have meant something. It would have brought in an entire new youth interested in ideas. What did we get out of Dole's loss? Nothing.

2 posted on 03/13/2007 1:05:32 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: DakotaRed

Bob Dole 2008!!!!!


3 posted on 03/13/2007 1:07:41 AM PDT by trumandogz
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To: DakotaRed; Gelato
Mychal's a good man. One of a few for whom proximity to DC hasn't proven to be mentally or morally fatal.
4 posted on 03/13/2007 1:09:01 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Stephen Douglas won a Senate seat. Abe Lincoln became an immortal...)
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To: Rodney King

I donated to and voted for Forbes in the primary.

Wish he had won.


5 posted on 03/13/2007 1:09:28 AM PDT by DB
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To: Rodney King

Forbes was my favorite candidate in 1996 and 2000.

Dole helped stab Gingrich in the back during budget showdown with Clinton, as media was egging him on to be a "grownup" in a "class of children". He thought media would help him in a run for the President, then wondered "Where is the outrage?" when media laughed at him. McCain and Rudy have been "drafted" by the media to be "frontrunners" in GOP primaries.

The lessons of "follow the media" in 1996 and 2006 should be clear for all to see.


6 posted on 03/13/2007 1:18:07 AM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: DakotaRed

Massie has no need to "pull punches" in this Gong Show of make-believe candidates. None are worthy and the folks in the Heartland are totally aware of these non-choices. Massie's merely another carnival barker arm waving and doing the Flim Flam thing jockeying for hoped for personal gain out of this utter mess.

Where are the real candidates? Maybe we could demand that all the others pull out of US politics by year's end?


7 posted on 03/13/2007 1:46:47 AM PDT by CBart95
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To: DakotaRed
This is a ruse, a con, and in brief, an attempt to hustle the voters. GOP leadership is trying to "Bob Dole" us. They have, in effect, met in the smoke-filled back room of a private club and decided amongst themselves who they want in 2008. Their problem is how to deceive the voters into believing that said pick is of the voters' choosing.

That's not only how the GOP "Bob Dole"'d us, it's also how they "George W. Bush"'d us in 2000. Remember? He was practically coronated before he ever got to New Hampshire.

Truth is, there's only been one time in recent memory that the power brokers did not already get their RINO lined up before the election and that was 1980. In 1976, the power-brokers tried to elect Gerald Ford but Ronald Reagan almost won the nomination. They realized too late that Reagan's crossover appeal could have beaten Carter but there was no way they could jettison a sitting president of their own party.

Reagan scared the RINO crowd that believed all that "nuclear cowboy" and "dunce" crap that the liberals wanted them to believe (interesting how they said all the same things about W. also). They made a deal with Reagan that he'd be the nominee if he promised to add an establishment RINO to the ticket, hence George H.W. Bush became the running mate - to try to "control" Reagan.

Since Barry Goldwater (another "nuclear cowboy") scared the ivoty tower crowd, the GOP money wing has tried to get behind one RINO and make them the "inevitable" nominee. It happened with Nixon (1968), Ford (1976), George H.W. Bush (1988), Dole (1996) and George W. Bush (2000). So it should shock nobody that they would do so again.

The Democrats, for all the things about them that disgust us, are far more willing to let the rank and file choose their nominee the democratic way than Republicans ever had. It cost them too - in 1968, 1972 and 1988 when the party was divided and never recovered. I'd add 2004 to that list but Kerry's meteoric rise in Iowa seemed pre-ordained from the top rather than raised up from the masses.

If the Republican money brokers have gotten behind Giuliani as their RINO for 2008, all I can say is "thank God it's not McCain".

8 posted on 03/13/2007 2:11:03 AM PDT by Tall_Texan (When you extend your hand to a Democrat, the only thing you can expect to get is rabies.)
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To: Rodney King

I agree with the header "Don't Bob Dole us again". While Dole was/is a good guy, a long serving Republican who has paid his dues, etc, etc, ,etc, he was just flat too old, out of energy, and and about as exciting as white bread. Frankly, the current crop of so called GOP front runners fit that same profile. I kinda like the notion of Fred Thompson running. Even better would be someone perhaps a little younger and with more charisma. There's gotta be someone out there somewhere who can excite the GOP base, I hope....


9 posted on 03/13/2007 2:18:03 AM PDT by snoringbear
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To: DakotaRed

Every columnist these days seems to have quite a low opinion of Republican and Conservative voters. Apparently, we can't understand the issues, are meek sheep easily led to the slaughter by the sly media, and are blind as bats to the real positions of the candidates, especially those of Rudy Giuliani, who must be pretty near invisible in that respect. Once we "wake up," we will suddenly see that Rudy is actually Hillary in drag and vote for that mythical "perfect conservative," whoever that is this week (George Allen? Duncan Hunter? Fred Thompson?) and however unknown he may be.

It's just kind of funny that so many around here are buying into it.


10 posted on 03/13/2007 2:46:50 AM PDT by KellyAdmirer
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To: DakotaRed

I fear the author is right, they are trying to shove a rino down our throats. I for one will not take a bite.


11 posted on 03/13/2007 2:50:39 AM PDT by Hydroshock (Duncan Hunter For President, checkout gohunter08.com.)
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To: Hydroshock

You doh't have to take a bite. There's always Hillary. She's terrific and will advance your conservative ideas. Really.


12 posted on 03/13/2007 2:57:23 AM PDT by Gracey (Rudy/Rice..... 2008 vs Hitlary/Osama Obama)
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To: DakotaRed

Hogwash.

The conservatives have Bob Doled themselves, by coming up with candidates who are worse than Bob Dole.


13 posted on 03/13/2007 3:24:00 AM PDT by tkathy (Rudy is the latest phenomenenenenenenena)
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To: tkathy

If you want to get Bob Doled, let McCain get the nod.


14 posted on 03/13/2007 3:29:54 AM PDT by CalvaryJohn (What is keeping that damned asteroid?)
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To: DakotaRed

YES! I couldn't have said it better. Don't Bob Dole us.


15 posted on 03/13/2007 3:31:03 AM PDT by jim35 ("...when the lion and the lamb lie down together, ...we'd better damn sure be the lion")
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To: Hydroshock

The press is going to sugar coat everything about Rudy until after he gets the nomination and then the bloodbath will start. I feel like screamming from the rooftops, he is way to over the top to play well in the south and middle america. There is just tooo much there. The 9/11 leadership will only go so far. Once his views on other issues are really put out there and he is left to explain himself he will fall flat. And the fact that he made NYC a wonderland again is not going to resonate with alot of people. Believe it or not, most Americans have never been there and could care less about the place.


16 posted on 03/13/2007 3:32:50 AM PDT by panthermom (DUNCAN HUNTER 2008)
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To: CalvaryJohn

When are conservatives going to stop blaming the Republican Party for their self created problems?

Forbes was an awful candidate.

In 2006, the conservatives spent most of their energy endlessly whining (WHINOs) about RINOs instead of coming up with a coherant articulate message.

No one is shoving anyone down anyones throats. These candidates are out organizing and getting votes.


17 posted on 03/13/2007 3:37:28 AM PDT by tkathy (Rudy is the latest phenomenenenenenenena)
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To: Gracey
You doh't have to take a bite. There's always Hillary. She's terrific and will advance your conservative ideas. Really.

Have you even considered any other candidate. Or, being from NY, does you myopia keep you from doing so?

18 posted on 03/13/2007 4:52:18 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: Rodney King

Rudy Giuliani is no Bob Dole. He will fight to win and KO Hidabeast and Osamma Obamma... big time.


19 posted on 03/13/2007 4:54:57 AM PDT by Jmouse007 (Convert, Slavery or Death = "Islam the Religion of Peace tm" "It's time to play Cowboys and Muslims")
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To: Jmouse007

Bob Dole was old, tired, wussie, had no fight and intensity in him. Exactly the opposite of Rudy.


20 posted on 03/13/2007 5:02:05 AM PDT by tkathy (Rudy/Thompson 2008)
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To: Gracey

There is not to much difference between Hitlary adn Rion Rudy. To be blunt if either win it will be about the same.


21 posted on 03/13/2007 5:07:20 AM PDT by Hydroshock (Duncan Hunter For President, checkout gohunter08.com.)
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To: panthermom

I agree.


22 posted on 03/13/2007 5:08:34 AM PDT by Hydroshock (Duncan Hunter For President, checkout gohunter08.com.)
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To: tkathy

You are right, RIno Rudy is not Dole. At least Dole had some conservative qualities, unlike this flaming worthless liberal.


23 posted on 03/13/2007 5:14:00 AM PDT by Hydroshock (Duncan Hunter For President, checkout gohunter08.com.)
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To: Hydroshock

Frist has great conservative values. He would be a horrible wussie POTUS.


24 posted on 03/13/2007 5:22:41 AM PDT by tkathy (Rudy/Thompson 2008)
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To: Hydroshock

I fear the author is right, they are trying to shove a rino down our throats. I for one will not take a bite.


If Rudy wins the nomination, I think the Dole analogy will be quite accurate.


25 posted on 03/13/2007 5:29:32 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Duncan Hunter: pro-life, pro-2nd Amendment, pro-border control, pro-family)
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To: CutePuppy

Conservative politicians can be such fools when they try to curry favor with the msm.


26 posted on 03/13/2007 5:31:06 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: raybbr

Hey, they are new yorkers so the rest of the country does'nt matter. Arrogance at its finest.


27 posted on 03/13/2007 5:35:30 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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28 posted on 03/13/2007 5:36:42 AM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: panthermom
I believe your analysis is dead on, frankly the GOP leadership is gift wrapping the presidency for the "Hildabeast".
29 posted on 03/13/2007 5:43:03 AM PDT by mr_hammer (Show me just what liberalism brought that was new, and there you will find things evil & inhuman)
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To: Tall_Texan

” That's not only how the GOP "Bob Dole"'d us, it's also how they "George W. Bush"'d us in 2000. Remember? He was practically coronated before he ever got to New Hampshire. “

The George Bush’s coronation was evident from the beginning (year 2000). I am glad you noticed that too.

I am still angry about the underhanded play that was forced on us. George Bush certainly promised those kingmakers a lot in return for putting him in the White House. Just look at the mess we are in.

The rest of your post is all true. Thank you. I hadn’t realized that others had seen through this running façade.


30 posted on 03/13/2007 5:43:35 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: DakotaRed
This is a ruse, a con, and in brief, an attempt to hustle the voters. GOP leadership is trying to "Bob Dole" us.

Amen. The last thing we need is yet another Brady Bill Bob Dole clone.

31 posted on 03/13/2007 5:46:31 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: tkathy

"Bob Dole was old, tired, wussie, had no fight and intensity in him. Exactly the opposite of Rudy."

Actually Bob Dole almost won.


32 posted on 03/13/2007 5:47:31 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Never bring a knife to a gun fight, or a Democrat to do serious work...)
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
I may get flamed for saying this but,...I believe that it's all a sham. I believe that Hillary is the chosen one and the media is giving us GOP candidates that they know, in good conscience, that we cannot vote for.

Thus, we get Queen Hillary by default. ...I am afraid that this is the plan.

33 posted on 03/13/2007 5:49:54 AM PDT by Ranger Drew
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To: tkathy
"No one is shoving anyone down anyones throats. These candidates are out organizing and getting votes."

That's a lot of hooey! The reason Thompson is being considering is because the base is rejecting Rudy. The Rudybots don't get it. Rudy does not share our values, period and we are not going to be lulled into accepting him.

I have lost all respect for Fox News, it's McCain, Romney, Rudy 24/7 and ZERO discussion of the issues. I follow politics rather closely and bedrock issues are hopscotched around in favor of idle bs chit-chat just for face time on the tube.

In marketing its called brand recognition. The next president is being marketed to us as if we are to F'ing stupid to realize it.

Shame on the GOP!

Hey, GOP. You got bounced out of office in 06 because you ignored the base with regards to immigration and limited government. You want to make that two elections in a row?

Stop with the Rhino crap already!
34 posted on 03/13/2007 5:53:53 AM PDT by mr_hammer (Show me just what liberalism brought that was new, and there you will find things evil & inhuman)
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To: Ranger Drew

"I believe that it's all a sham."

Agreed!


35 posted on 03/13/2007 5:55:29 AM PDT by mr_hammer (Show me just what liberalism brought that was new, and there you will find things evil & inhuman)
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To: DakotaRed

I would take Bob Dole over Rudy Juliani any day of the week. At least he is a conservative


36 posted on 03/13/2007 5:56:32 AM PDT by BobinIL
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To: Gracey
You doh't have to take a bite. There's always Hillary. She's terrific and will advance your conservative ideas. Really.

You Rudy folks see things in a blind way. You act as though Rudy is already up against Hillary.

We haven't even gotten to the primaries. We are all discussing candidates. This assumption that if you don't go for Rudy you are voting for Hillary is getting worn out.

At this point, I see it differently.

The people who insist on Rudy, knowing full well that many are opposed to him, will be the ones responsible for a Hillary win.

It can be looked at in more than one way and be a valid point.

37 posted on 03/13/2007 5:57:34 AM PDT by dforest (Liberals love crisis, create crisis and then dwell on them.)
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To: HereInTheHeartland
Actually Bob Dole almost won.

Almost won with 159 electoral votes and 40.7% of the popular votes?

38 posted on 03/13/2007 5:59:18 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Vaclav Klaus: "A whip of political correctness strangles their voice")
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To: panthermom
The press is going to sugar coat everything about Rudy until after he gets the nomination and then the bloodbath will start. I feel like screamming from the rooftops, he is way to over the top to play well in the south and middle america. There is just tooo much there. The 9/11 leadership will only go so far. Once his views on other issues are really put out there and he is left to explain himself he will fall flat. And the fact that he made NYC a wonderland again is not going to resonate with alot of people. Believe it or not, most Americans have never been there and could care less about the place.

************

Bizarrely, there are those who think he is the only one who can beat Hillary. He may be the only one who can't.

39 posted on 03/13/2007 6:02:45 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: mr_hammer

Total BS.

The conservatives failed to get a cohesive message out. Santorum, Allen, and others were "real conservatives" and failed to get a widely appealing message out.


40 posted on 03/13/2007 6:07:24 AM PDT by tkathy (Rudy/Thompson 2008)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

Actually Bob Dole almost won.


So would Rudy.


41 posted on 03/13/2007 6:11:49 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Duncan Hunter: pro-life, pro-2nd Amendment, pro-border control, pro-family)
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To: indylindy

The people who insist on Rudy, knowing full well that many are opposed to him, will be the ones responsible for a Hillary win.


Exactly, and then we'll have to listen to their crying and telling us it's the conservatives fault for not supporting Rudy. We conservatives have been supporting the establishment candidates since '88. It's time to run a real candidate.


42 posted on 03/13/2007 6:17:00 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Duncan Hunter: pro-life, pro-2nd Amendment, pro-border control, pro-family)
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To: Rodney King
As a result, we passed up dynamic thinkers like Steve Forbes whose ideas galvanized the nation. I am not saying that Forbes would have won, but his loss would have meant something. It would have brought in an entire new youth interested in ideas. What did we get out of Dole's loss? Nothing.

I was a Bob Dornan man in those days, who was basically his day's Duncan Hunter, albeit slightly better known. Of course, I was also 16 and didn't know better. Looking back, Steve Forbes might have not have looked or sounded "Presidential", but even in defeat he would have been a much better candidate than Dole, one whose ideas might have put some momentum back into the stalled 1994 revolution.
43 posted on 03/13/2007 6:27:34 AM PDT by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country. Gingrich/Bolton '08)
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To: DakotaRed
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44 posted on 03/13/2007 6:31:35 AM PDT by Antoninus (I don't vote for liberals, regardless of party.)
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To: tkathy
Bob Dole was ... exactly the opposite of Rudy.

Right. Dole was at least nominally conservative. Rudy is a flat-out liberal.
45 posted on 03/13/2007 6:32:40 AM PDT by Antoninus (I don't vote for liberals, regardless of party.)
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To: Ranger Drew

No, you are not going to get flamed.

With the exception of Reagan, the Republican candidate will be chosen by the power brokers once again and not by “we the people.” Should the chosen one become president, and the chosen one appears to be Giuliani at the moment, he will spend his years in the White House paying back the favor to the power brokers at our expense and at the expense of our country if there is anything left to give away after Bush leaves.

We have 20 more long months with Bush.

I’m not afraid of Hillary. I think she will be fun to watch should she be the Democrat candidate.

I've got to dash to the veterinarians. I'll catch up in about an hour.


46 posted on 03/13/2007 6:32:46 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: freedomfiter2
Exactly, and then we'll have to listen to their crying and telling us it's the conservatives fault for not supporting Rudy. We conservatives have been supporting the establishment candidates since '88. It's time to run a real candidate.

Its time. You see the tables can be turned. How about a candidate that we no longer are holding our noses to vote for? Maybe that would help a lot in the level of enthusiasm.

Rudy people can't even use the argument that conservatives lost in 2006. Are they telling us that they didn't hold their noses and go out and vote anyway? Even though they despise conservative candidates? Maybe they didn't vote for them. I know the party didn't support many of them them as well. Maybe this was preparation for a Rudy Lib candidate to follow.

I do see one thing, as long as you are a Republican who is no longer worried about principles, Rudy is the man. No WOT argument works with me either. There are conservatives out there that will do a fine job at that also.

47 posted on 03/13/2007 6:42:53 AM PDT by dforest (Liberals love crisis, create crisis and then dwell on them.)
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To: The Pack Knight
Pack,

Yes Forbes would have been quite a better candidate than Dole. I held my nose and voted for Dole, gosh that was awful. The funny part of it is, I actually sent money to the Forbes campaign.

But in the grand scheme of things he would have never pulled a Lewinsky and may have actually gone after Bin Laden in that regards if Dole only did it for 4 years, he would have been a good President.

As someone from NR said, the GOP didn't loose in 96' they committed political suicide. Let us not do this again. It is all about beating Hillary (Who I don't think is going to get the nod, her corrosiveness will have her melting before the convention in my opinion) If the only tough guy to do it is Guiliani (conventional wisdom), then he is the "acceptable Newt". The heck with, run Newt, and go mano-e-mano with da Hilldabest in the debates and let the chips fall were they may. If then we have to rebuild the party like we did after Goldwater, then so be it.

48 posted on 03/13/2007 6:44:15 AM PDT by taildragger
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To: DakotaRed

The only so called "Bob Dole" candidates currently in the '08 Presidential race for the GOP are John McCain and Tom Tancredo. It either one wins the GOP nomination it's an automatic loss and by landslide proportions.


49 posted on 03/13/2007 6:45:46 AM PDT by ajolympian2004 (br>)
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To: DakotaRed
Duncan Hunter Bump!
50 posted on 03/13/2007 6:46:53 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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