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Intelligent Design Scientists Will Showcase Evidence Challenging Evolution
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Posted on 03/13/2007 12:35:30 PM PDT by truthfinder9

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1 posted on 03/13/2007 12:35:35 PM PDT by truthfinder9
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To: truthfinder9
The conference is $55 for General Admission

There's no business like show business.

2 posted on 03/13/2007 12:38:55 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: truthfinder9
Intelligent Design Scientists

OXYMORON ALERT!

3 posted on 03/13/2007 12:41:12 PM PDT by ASA Vet (The WOT should have been over on 11/05/1979.)
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To: Alter Kaker
The conference is $55 for General Admission

There's no business like show business.


I'll just wait for YouTube to post a video of the conference. A lot cheaper.
4 posted on 03/13/2007 12:41:15 PM PDT by adorno
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To: Alter Kaker

Someone probably would've said the same thing to Galileo or Copernicus, I'm sure.


5 posted on 03/13/2007 12:42:14 PM PDT by EarthBound (Ex Deo,gratia. Ex astris,scientia (Duncan Hunter in 2008! http://www.gohunter08.com))
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To: truthfinder9; editor-surveyor; DaveLoneRanger

crevoping.


6 posted on 03/13/2007 12:42:49 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: All
Creationism.
7 posted on 03/13/2007 12:43:58 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: EarthBound
Someone probably would've said the same thing to Galileo or Copernicus, I'm sure.

Galileo and Copernicus charged the general public for glitzy Power Point displays? LOL

8 posted on 03/13/2007 12:44:35 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Alter Kaker

You know what I'm talking about Alter. Let's attempt to keep things civil.


9 posted on 03/13/2007 12:46:15 PM PDT by EarthBound (Ex Deo,gratia. Ex astris,scientia (Duncan Hunter in 2008! http://www.gohunter08.com))
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To: truthfinder9
The Theory of Evolution
10 posted on 03/13/2007 12:49:41 PM PDT by microgood
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To: truthfinder9

Intelligent Design "Scientists"



Bwaaaaahahahaha!!!

Thanks for the laugh.



11 posted on 03/13/2007 12:50:21 PM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: EarthBound
You know what I'm talking about Alter.

I'm not sure I do. You seem to be comparing a bunch of second rate polemicists (Behe, Meyer, et al) with Copernicus and Galileo. Do I really need to dignify that with a response? Just to play along for a moment... what, exactly have they discovered?

12 posted on 03/13/2007 12:51:44 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: EarthBound
Galileo and Copernicus were hounded for their ideas contrary to the establishment of the day.

Sort of hypocritical when such "ardent supporters" of Galileo and Copernicus hound Creationists.


As with Galileo and Copernicus, let them present their evidence--and then let science take its course.

13 posted on 03/13/2007 12:51:47 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Alter Kaker; EarthBound

If you didn't get EarthBound's point, then you can read comment 13. Somewhat the same basic idea.


14 posted on 03/13/2007 12:53:26 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Galileo and Copernicus were hounded for their ideas contrary to the establishment of the day.

The "establishment" (whatever the heck that means) has "hounded" (whatever the heck that means) legitimate scientists. It has also rejected the work of innumerable hordes of frauds, fakes and charlatans. Is being rejected by mainstream science your gold standard for authenticity?

15 posted on 03/13/2007 12:55:23 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

As usual, you manage to use a good deal more tact than I could. Yes, that is what I was saying.


16 posted on 03/13/2007 12:59:21 PM PDT by EarthBound (Ex Deo,gratia. Ex astris,scientia (Duncan Hunter in 2008! http://www.gohunter08.com))
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To: truthfinder9

I take it Michael Denton will not be presenting.


17 posted on 03/13/2007 12:59:51 PM PDT by js1138 (The absolute seriousness of someone who is terminally deluded.)
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To: EarthBound; Alter Kaker
Don't count yourself short, you did a great job at explaining.

Opinion: your point was figuratively crystal clear; Alter Kaker just chose not to understand it.

18 posted on 03/13/2007 1:03:03 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: truthfinder9

This looks an awful lot like and advertisement. Isn't that against the rules on FR?


19 posted on 03/13/2007 1:03:23 PM PDT by js1138 (The absolute seriousness of someone who is terminally deluded.)
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To: ASA Vet

Isn't it ironic how the left always spews that there can't be science involved in Creationism but push science in Evolutionism, which is basically a theory, philosophy, with no more proof than Creationism, and demands the same amount of "faith".


20 posted on 03/13/2007 1:07:07 PM PDT by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: js1138

It's a press release. Which are allowed. Nice try though.


21 posted on 03/13/2007 1:11:14 PM PDT by truthfinder9
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu; EarthBound
Opinion: your point was figuratively crystal clear; Alter Kaker just chose not to understand it.

Actually, both of you are embracing obscurity over clarity.

Pons and Fleischmann were rejected by the scientific community -- would you compare them to Copernicus and Galileo as well? Every fraud and huckster will love this comparison.

22 posted on 03/13/2007 1:11:21 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Galileo and Copernicus were hounded for their ideas contrary to the establishment of the day.

But not by scientists of their day (of whom there were pitifully few). Those who decried Galileo and Copernicus were churchmen who were afraid of what their findings would mean for the Biblically-based order they'd established.

23 posted on 03/13/2007 1:15:02 PM PDT by Junior (Losing faith in humanity one person at a time.)
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To: Alter Kaker
The "establishment" (whatever the heck that means) has "hounded" (whatever the heck that means) legitimate scientists

This is "What That means"

The following is from UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT REFORM; December 2006

INTOLERANCE AND THE POLITICIZATION OF SCIENCE AT THE SMITHSONIAN

SMITHSONIAN’S TOP OFFICIALS PERMIT THE DEMOTION AND HARASSMENT OF SCIENTIST SKEPTICAL OF DARWINIAN EVOLUTION

http://www.uncommondescent.com/documentation/Sternberg_Cong_Rep_App.pdf

Major findings of this staff investigation include:
Officials at the Smithsonian’s National Museum of Natural History created a hostile work environment intended to force Dr. Sternberg to resign his position as a Research Associate in violation of his free speech and civil rights. There issubstantial, credible evidence of efforts to abuse and harass Dr. Sternberg, including punitively targeting him for investigation in order to supply a pretext for dismissing him, and applying to him regulations and restrictions not imposed on other researchers. Given the factual record, the Smithsonian’s pro-forma denials of discrimination are unbelievable. Indeed, NMNH officials explicitly acknowledged in emails their intent to pressure Sternberg to resign because of his role in the publication of the Meyer paper and his views on evolution. On September 13, 2004, Dr. Jonathan Coddington, chair of the zoology department, wrote to crustacean curator Dr. Rafael Lemaitre that he could not find a legal basis for terminating Sternberg, but added: “I suppose we could call him on the phone and verbally ask him to do the right thing and resign?”3 A few hours later, Dr. Lemaitre responded that “a face to face meeting or at least a ‘you are welcome to leave or resign’ call with this individual, is in order.”4 Finally, in an email on October 6, 2004, Dr. Coddington (in his capacity as Dr. Sternberg’s “supervisor”) stated that he was planning to meet with Dr. Sternberg to convey the message “that if he had any class he would either entirely desist or resign his appointment.”5 Clearly, the NMNH management was trying to make Dr. Sternberg’s life at the Museum as difficult as possible and encourage him to leave, since they knew they had no legal grounds to dismiss him.

These are some of the "FACTS" that some people would rather not deal with.

24 posted on 03/13/2007 1:17:01 PM PDT by be4everfree (Liberals are "Thick as a Brick" ......JT)
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To: Junior

Interesting. Could one not say that these guys are attempting to fight the Evolution establishment?


25 posted on 03/13/2007 1:18:15 PM PDT by EarthBound (Ex Deo,gratia. Ex astris,scientia (Duncan Hunter in 2008! http://www.gohunter08.com))
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Galileo and Copernicus were hounded for their ideas contrary to the establishment of the day.

By the church, correct?! To support religious doctrine, the church and true believers attacked the scientists talking about observed fact.

Yes, I do see the similarity now!

The ID movement *has* presented their evidence. So far, that evidence not been even remotely persuasive.

26 posted on 03/13/2007 1:18:38 PM PDT by Dominic Harr (Conservative: The "ant", to a liberal's "grasshopper".)
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To: truthfinder9

> The emerging scientific theory of intelligent design ...

Anybody know if they've got a testable, potentially falsifiable hypothesis to go with that yet?

Or is it still in the same place as the department of astrology?


27 posted on 03/13/2007 1:21:12 PM PDT by voltaires_zit (Government is the problem, not the answer.)
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To: fish hawk; ASA Vet
I really hate these threads. I bet you don't even know the prerequisites for a scientific theory. Evolution is not a philosophy.
28 posted on 03/13/2007 1:21:40 PM PDT by USMMA_83 (Tantra is my fetish ;))
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To: be4everfree
You hijack a scientific publication to push a silly political agenda and you get demoted. Real shock there!

Kindly note that no actual research was described in Meyer's article -- it had no more place in a Smithsonian journal than a volleyball column would. Somehow, the Institute didn't like that! The horror!

29 posted on 03/13/2007 1:21:56 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: ASA Vet

No all ID scientists are morons. Young Earth CREATIONISTS are. The straw man is that you cannot believe in the Christian God ID concept unless you believe the Earth is 10,000 years old and the Bible is 100% fact.


30 posted on 03/13/2007 1:22:38 PM PDT by NucSubs (That's so gay.)
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To: truthfinder9

Methodological naturalism subsumed under, or compressed into, Darwin's name. This conference will treat of philosophical underpinnings taken up by people of various faiths.

If I see a cardboard box am I being scientific or unscientific if I say it has the appearance of design? Even if an intellectual entity designed and built that box, I could say the intellect has the appearance of intelligent design, too. But I would be speaking philosophically.

So it comes down to appearance vs. substance. The substance of science is information (evidence) that cannot be interpreted apart from intelligent design.


31 posted on 03/13/2007 1:24:05 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: USMMA_83; fish hawk; ASA Vet
I bet you don't even know the prerequisites for a scientific theory. Evolution is not a philosophy.

Every thread these guys come with the same silly prattle. Every thread, someone has to laboriously explain to them the meaning of "theory" in science, and then they run along only to troll on the next crevo thread. This is as tiresome as it is inane.

32 posted on 03/13/2007 1:24:55 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: NucSubs

Excuse me.

While I disagree vehemently with the YE concept of ID and think it is a political cancer, I did not mean to suggest that all ID scientists are morons. I was refering to the "oxymoron" comment. I apologize.


33 posted on 03/13/2007 1:26:14 PM PDT by NucSubs (That's so gay.)
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To: canuck_conservative

ten bucks says that they get up say something along the lines of "We have proof of ID right here...And hold up a bible" and walk out. Will refunds be given for the $55 entry fee, or is that simply considered tithing?


34 posted on 03/13/2007 1:27:16 PM PDT by BritExPatInFla
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To: BritExPatInFla
ten bucks says that they get up say something along the lines of "We have proof of ID right here...And hold up a bible" and walk out.

I'm in.

35 posted on 03/13/2007 1:29:33 PM PDT by Tribune7 (A bleeding heart does nothing but ruin the carpet)
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To: truthfinder9
Knoxville Tennessee. just down the road from Dayton. Where the Scopes trial took place, and Inherit the Wind was placed, from which many Americans mis-learned their history.
36 posted on 03/13/2007 1:32:08 PM PDT by cookcounty (Never ever hurt their feelings! .....Please remember to add the "-ick" to "Democrat-")
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To: Alter Kaker
"I'm not sure I do. You seem to be comparing a bunch of second rate polemicists (Behe, Meyer, et al) with Copernicus and Galileo. Do I really need to dignify that with a response? Just to play along for a moment... what, exactly have they discovered?"

For starters, that the natural world is vastly more complicated than the Darwinists tried to tell us.

37 posted on 03/13/2007 1:39:11 PM PDT by cookcounty (Never ever hurt their feelings! .....Please remember to add the "-ick" to "Democrat-")
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To: BritExPatInFla; All
I think the anti-ID crowd would do itself a favor (and I am generally on it's side) if it realized that not all Christians who believe in ID reject evolution, geology, plate tectonics, archeology, astronomy, physics, and all the other sciences involved in proving that the earth is NOT 15,000 years old.

In other words, there are people of Christian faith who believe in God but also accept the reality of science.

So try not to alienate those of faith who are on your side. :-)
38 posted on 03/13/2007 1:42:59 PM PDT by NucSubs (That's so gay.)
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To: EarthBound
"Interesting. Could one not say that these guys are attempting to fight the Evolution establishment?"

They are challenging Sacred Darwinian Dogma. Speak not with them, nor have intercourse with them, cast them into outer darkness, before the Holy Paradigm be defiled. The Prophet Dawkins hath spoken unto thee.

39 posted on 03/13/2007 1:49:49 PM PDT by cookcounty (Never ever hurt their feelings! .....Please remember to add the "-ick" to "Democrat-")
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To: Alter Kaker
"The conference is $55 for General Admission"

There's no business like show business.

What was that saying about a fool and his money?

40 posted on 03/13/2007 1:52:12 PM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what an Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: fish hawk
Isn't it ironic how the left always spews that there can't be science involved in Creationism but push science in Evolutionism, which is basically a theory, philosophy, with no more proof than Creationism, and demands the same amount of "faith".

What amazes me is how similar evolutionists and Socialists really are. Both want to be able to define their own narrow set of "facts" as the "only" truth, and then rule everything else out of bounds. Likewise, both groups rely on "facts" which, if freely discussed, would probably be rejected by the majority of thinking people. In many ways, your average Darwinist is like your average Social Democrat.

41 posted on 03/13/2007 1:53:48 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
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To: doc30
What was that saying about a fool and his money?

They were lucky to get together in the first place?

42 posted on 03/13/2007 1:54:11 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Who needs arguments when you can call people names? I'm amazed you haven't compared "evilutionists" to Hitler yet.

Please ping me if you do.

43 posted on 03/13/2007 1:55:33 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: NucSubs
I think the anti-ID crowd would do itself a favor (and I am generally on it's side) if it realized that not all Christians who believe in ID reject evolution, geology, plate tectonics, archeology, astronomy, physics, and all the other sciences involved in proving that the earth is NOT 15,000 years old.

In other words, there are people of Christian faith who believe in God but also accept the reality of science.

So try not to alienate those of faith who are on your side. :-)

The problem is the people who believe ID as a scientific concept, and not a philosophical one. As a science, ID is noncorporeal.

44 posted on 03/13/2007 1:57:49 PM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what an Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: NucSubs
In other words, there are people of Christian faith who believe in God but also accept the reality of science.

What's funny is this whole type of discussion is that creationists aren't even "rejecting science", they are rejecting bad science passed off as received truth - something that evolutionists argue that religion does.

Let's face it - there are quite a number of conceptual and evidential reasons to question just about every tenet of evolutionary theory. Some of these reasons might end up being good reasons, and some might not. The problem is not the invalidity of arguments made by creationists (well, except for that whole "geocentricity" thing). The problem is that evolutionists point-blank refuse to allow their theory to be challenged scientifically. To "prove" their theory, they come up with any number of circularly-reasoned arguments based off of their own theories that they then USE to suggest that they've proven their theories. When someone DOES challenge, instead of responding like the mature adults that degrees in science might suggest them to be, they instead act like spoiled five-year olds who are told that Santa Claus doesn't exist.

45 posted on 03/13/2007 2:01:12 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
What amazes me is how similar evolutionists and Socialists really are.

What amazes me is how creationists can claim that the theory of evolution is responsible for everything from socialism to capitalism to dandruff.

"Evolution provides the scientific orthodoxy for the philosophies of Marxism, fascism, racism, apartheid and unbridled capitalism."
See Answers in Genesis
46 posted on 03/13/2007 2:11:43 PM PDT by atlaw
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To: truthfinder9
"....as they explain the evidence for Darwin’s theory of evolution and the emerging scientific theory of intelligent design Saturday, March 24th."

Evolution is a theory, ID is merely a hypothesis

47 posted on 03/13/2007 2:12:17 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: doc30

I must concur.

Nevertheless, remember you have allies in many people of faith. The official positions of the bulk of Christendom believe in God AND an old earth.


48 posted on 03/13/2007 2:13:15 PM PDT by NucSubs (That's so gay.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
The problem is that evolutionists point-blank refuse to allow their theory to be challenged scientifically. But that is a false argument IMO. Because it is not "evolutionists" you must debate if you are a YE creationist. It's geologists, astronomers, paleontologists, a whole SLEW of scientific disciplines. To focus on evolution alone is a canard in my opinion.
49 posted on 03/13/2007 2:15:47 PM PDT by NucSubs (That's so gay.)
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To: NucSubs

Sorry NucSub, I am using "evolution" in the broad-based sense that includes all of those areas, not just biological evolution.


50 posted on 03/13/2007 2:18:03 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
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