Yeah, gay hatred for Rudy is the reason the Mayor kept honoring gays at special Gracie Mansion events.
Posted on 03/14/2007 3:40:25 AM PDT by Liz
Scandal-scarred former top cop Bernard Kerik turned down a deal with federal prosecutors that offered him less than two years in jail in return for a guilty plea to tax fraud Kerik - NYPD commissioner under Rudy Giuliani, who recommended him for Homeland Security secretary in 2004 - rejected the deal..... The case involves gifts Kerik received while in office, his Homeland Security application, a mortgage application and tax returns. Kerik pleaded guilty last year to misdemeanor charges of taking money from contractors with alleged mob ties when he was the city's corrections chief. His nomination by President Bush to head the Department of Homeland Security was scrapped after questions arose about his background.
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"The end justifies the means" mentality prevails here. All that matters is getting into positions of power. To these ambitious power-hungry individuals, how they achieve power is immaterial. Kerik (and possibly Giuliani?) allegedly giving fraudulent information to the White House is one indication how these people operate.
Being nominated for a WH position was this guys worst day.
Kerik has already pleaded guilty to receiving tens of thousands of dollars in free renovations to an apartment he owned while a city official, renovations provided by company with reputed links to organized crime. But the federal investigation into allegations of mortgage fraud in connection with his purchase of the apartment continues.
The two skeeves---Kerik and Giuliani---used tactics commonly used in NYC----making it up, as needed.
To these two, the end justified the means. Providing false information to the WH was the way to get Kerik the job.
If you think that was bad, imagine Kerik having access to FBI files?
Therre are just way too many reasons to hold your nose with Rosie O'Donnell Giuliani for any sane person to consider him for therepublican nomination.
Maybe Kerik can get the same deal Marion Barry got.
This creates an interesting set of questions:
a.) If Giuliani was aware or even remotely suspicious of Kerik's (ahem) 'difficulties', why on Earth would he recommend Kerik for the top job at Homeland Security?
b.) Surely Rudy, as a former DOJ official himself should have known that an extremely thorough background check would be made of Kerik, if he had concerns about Kerik's background, why didn't he suggest vetting Kerik privately PRIOR to recommending him to the President?
c.) If the former Mayor had NO idea, was TOTALLY unaware of Kerik's legal problems, what does this say about HIS ability to judge the character of the guy he not only had serving as his police commissioner, but actually went into BUSINESS with (Guiliani-Kerik, LLC)?!?
Either way, this is another big black mark on the Rudy report card as to whether or not he should be graded as presidential material.
Maybe Kerik can get the same deal Democrat Senator Bobby Toricelli got in New Jersey? A few gifts? No big deal.
Nice take---thanks.
We should also keep in mind that Kerik and Giuliani were partners in a global "security firm."
Self-styled "security expert" Giuliani did not vett Kerik before submitting his name to the WH. How safe does that make you feel?
This would be media fodder for the general election if the GOP is dumb enough to nominate Giuliani...
The fact that Kerik refused the feds deal makes one think payback is in the offing. A few of the Giuliani-appointed judges might work a deal for Kerik....in the courtroom.
Further, Kerik shouldn't have acceprted home repairs from a contractor (akin to something Ollie North did BTW) BUT this latest investigation is about getting the use of an apartment so he could sleep with his mistress. Immoral, yes. But two years in prison for tax fraud and lying to the White House? I think not.
Liz, I see a pattern here... Mumbles Mennino up in Boston was the driver for a former mayor and several former drivers have turned up as heads of Mafia families after the head guy got whacked.
You got that right----Kerik is mobbed-up to his eyeballs.
However, Kerik does have a day job (gag).....Kerik, like Giuliani, is making a living off the remnants of 9/11.
Well, whatcha got?
Another presidential wannabe that hangs around the same kind of people that the Clintons do.
Both Kerik and Giuliani believe they are untouchable because of 9/11. I'm telling ya'll, the MSM are setting us up for the big fall. It really doesn't matter that the NY media has been trying to destroy him. All that press stays in NYC, NYer's and their politics are not going to fly in other parts of the country. I'm sorry, but, here in Georgia the pro-choice, gun-control and his association with the gay rights movement is not going to earn him brownie points. Outside of Atlanta, Georgia is a VERY conservative state.
Nice reading comprehension. Here's what Liz wrote:
...how they achieve power is immaterial. Kerik (and possibly Giuliani?) allegedly giving fraudulent information to the White House is one indication how these people operate.... The two skeeves---Kerik and Giuliani---used tactics commonly used in NYC----making it up, as needed.... To these two, the end justified the means. Providing false information to the WH was the way to get Kerik the job.
As for your ridiculous second point, the left despises and hates Rudy, always has, always will. Stop drinking the haters' Kool-Aid. This claim that the gays loved Giuliani while he was Mayor is flat-out idiotic.
You ain't just whistling Dixie. Rudy can eat all the corn pones and grits he wants, he is a loser for sure.
Rudy's endorsement of Ralph Reed bombed and all of the candidates he campaigned for went down to defeat in the Nov 06 Repub debacle.
Even though Rudy has had a series of "Come to Jesus" moments after he discovered to his everlasting horror that he really needs conservatives, the reality is conservatives ain't buying Mayor Rudolfo. He also lost the SC and CPAC straw polls.
Rudy's an airhead-----he still doesn't "get it." He keeps thinking he's Borat ----that he can tell those "dumb Christians" anything and they'll believe it.
Yeah, gay hatred for Rudy is the reason the Mayor kept honoring gays at special Gracie Mansion events.
Fox News sure loves the lil bald-headed guy, they like to have him on as a pundit once in a while.
Why do you folks insist on arguing with NYers here at FR who know what the reality is? Geez.
Four pictures of the most extreme fringe of the homosexual community do not prove a bloody thing.
Except that you're desperate.
Andrew Sullivan loves Rudy.
What does that say?
Count me as one of those people too. In fact - before anyone officially announced they were running - I was trying to figure out who I could support for President. I came up with Rudy Guiliani. He was my candidate of choice until I took a closer look at him & what he really believes in.
Rudy was good for NY - a bastion of liberalism. But he is not conservative enough to be my President.
Not only did Giuliani appear at the Empire State Pride Agenda event that included recognizing the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgendered police, fire, and other employees of the city, but earlier that year he declared June 18th to be "Out in Government Day".
Archives of the Mayor's Press Office
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Date: Monday, June 18, 2001 Release # 217-01
Contact: Sunny Mindel / Lynn Rasic (212) 788-2958
MAYOR GIULIANI PROCLAIMS JUNE 18th OUT IN GOVERNMENT DAY
City Hall Ceremony Salutes Lesbian and Gay Pride and History Month Deputy Mayor for Community Development and Business Services Rudy Washington, on behalf of Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani, today honored the Coalition of Lesbian and Gay City Employees by declaring June 18th Out in Government Day in a City Hall ceremony commemorating Lesbian and Gay Pride and History Month.
The Coalition of Gay and Lesbian employees was founded in 1992 and is open to all current and former employees of the City of New York in all areas of City government, including elected officials and retirees from city service.
Accepting the proclamation were Judy Ramos, Co-Chair of Out in Government and an employee of the Department of Transportation, and David Warren, a Board Member of Firefighters Lesbian and Gay and a civilian employee of the New York City Fire Department.
The Deputy Mayor also presented Certificates of Recognition to Beverly Copeland, Assistant Commissioner of Policy and Development at DCAS, and Lt. Don Jirak, President of the Gay Officers Action League GOAL) and a member of the New York City Police Department. Christopher Lynn, Executive Director of the Mayor's Task Force for the Board of Elections, served as Master of Ceremonies for the event.
"The Giuliani Administration has consistently recognized the contributions of gays and lesbians to New York City," Deputy Mayor Washington said. "As part of the Administration's overall policy of supporting gay and lesbian rights, the Mayor signed into law the landmark domestic partnership legislation in 1998 - a measure that extended long-awaited protections to gay and lesbian couples."
"I want to thank the organizers of the Coalition of Lesbian and Gay City Employees for providing an important forum to raise gay and lesbian issues. Since its founding in 1992, the Coalition has been a staunch defender of the rights of gay and lesbian municipal employees," Deputy Mayor Washington continued. June is Lesbian and Gay Pride and History Month in New York City.
This year marks the 32nd anniversary of the Stonewall riots in Greenwich Village; the 15th anniversary of the groundbreaking citywide lesbian and gay rights law prohibiting discrimination in housing, employment, and public accommodations; and the 3rd anniversary of the domestic partnership legislation which provides full benefits to the partners of gay and lesbian employees in New York City. www.nyc.gov
"Fox News sure loves the lil bald-headed guy, they like to have him on as a pundit once in a while."
Him and Bill Richardson.
The press would love a Giuliani - Clinton race. It would be like Christmas everyday for them. Scandal, shady pasts, screaming candidates, mudslinging, ruthless operatives, bitter hatred from the potential voters. Its a beautiful thing for tabloid television.
It would also be a matchup of two liberal, big-government globalists -- which fits the Murdoch media empire's agenda perfectly.
I'm in Jersey, but my liberal friends seem to not mind Rudy that much.
Except that you're desperate.
Andrew Sullivan loves Rudy.
What does that say?
Look, you want dozens of queer pictures in your inbox? There's tons more, you really want that?
Rudy was hated, despised and vilified by the gay community. You don't know jack about NY.
I wonder if the plea deal included Kerik offering up information.
Kerik's got plenty of dirt on Julie-Annie---so much so that you can bet Kerik would get a top federal job if the liberal lisping twit ever gets near our WH.
Kerik having access to FBI files----yuck---enough to ditch Rudy right there.
Ever get the feeling that a new thread will be introduced on FR? Sensitivity posting training. All the lefty posters are setting the victimization stage for it.
You are using the cabarett prostests to prove gays hate Rudy? Are you telling this eye talian that all dancers are gay?
Spoof thread by Spiff
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1782462/posts
President Giuliani Proclaims June 20th "Out in Government Day" (2009)
Well, if that's all you got, then Rudy's looking better every day.
I can understand preferring more socially-conservative candidates (not that it matters much, but I understand it), but this visceral hatefest of Rudy is really quite pathological.
How outrageous that Judge Deborah Robinson refused to send Barry to prison upon conviction. Her excuse - his probation officer had not requested that Barry's probation be revoked. And apparently that probation officer - I don't know his name - has made no such move. Something smells.
Was Giuliani more loved or hated by the left and the queers as mayor of NYC?
More loved... or hated? Your answer please.
Hey look! FR has a push poll!
Wow, you are saying all the left are queers?
tsk, tsk.
A truly despicable playing of the race card on your part.
Those 4 pictures posted were from a small group of protesters that were upset about the cabarett laws.
More on that here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1789720/posts
Social Dancing Banned In New York
These laws ensure a cartel on dance clubs.
Yes, the law was dusted off and modified by Giuliani.
It's a long time to '08. We'll see what happens, but this same cut-and-paste stuff on Rudy is already getting old and just isn't going to hurt him on the national stage. People like him and sleazy dirt won't stick.
There's an eternity of time between now and then, and just about anything could happen. We'll see.
My hunch is that merely given the ordinary pendulum shift of elections, after 8 years of one party, the other party (in this case, the dem) has an almost automatic shoe in the door to the white house.
On our side I think it is a forgone conclusion that a true hardline social conservative will lose bigtime, this time around. This is complicated by Hillary, inasmuch as she's one of the few dems that cannot win. Not sure how that will shake out. If the dems ran some off-radar decent-guy governor they'd walk away with it. But they're distracted with Hillary and Obama, neither of which have much chance. The only chance they have is for the R's to put up some hardliner that they can successfully demonize. I'm hopeful we don't fall for it.
We need to learn that social conservatism is irrelevant to the job of being President. Fiscal conservatism matters and strong command matters. The rest is just frosting.
But it's a long time from now. Too early to know what the situation will be come November of 08.
Your average New Yorker.....idealized on canvas.
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