Bill Simon (CA conservative) soothes conservatives' concerns over Giuliani

Scripps News ^ | March 14, 2007 | PETER HECHT

[FairOpinion]

Bill Simon, an unsuccessful 2002 California gubernatorial candidate, former federal prosecutor under Giuliani and bedrock social conservative, delivered a spirited intro.

"He comforted us. He inspired us in what was one of the darkest moments in our history," Simon said, extolling Giuliani's leadership after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. "Extraordinary times cry out for extraordinary leadership, and these as such times."

"It would be fair to say that Bill Simon is using his personal cachet to vouch for Giuliani," said Jon Fleischman, a conservative Republican activist and publisher of the Flash Report political newsletter. "Giuliani is a moderate on social issues, yet Simon has been a champion to conservatives on those same issues.

"When I talk to conservatives supporting Giuliani, many of them say, 'I'm putting my faith on what Bill Simon says.' "

First he told a hotel ballroom crowded with conservative GOP delegates that his former boss was "a fellow Ronald Reagan Republican," who cut taxes, cleaned up New York and put "countless career criminals behind bars."

He said Simon explained that Giuliani opposes partial-birth abortions and tax-funded abortions and _ though Giuliani supports domestic partnerships _ he believes marriage is strictly between man and a woman.

"If he (Simon) is endorsing Giuliani, it makes some members of the conservative wing of the party feel safer," said Gaines, a Giuliani convert. "I did have concerns. But with the explanation of how he (Giuliani) would view Supreme Court appointments, I have a level of comfort."

[FairOpinion]

Another conservative enthusiastically supporting Giuliani.

[FairOpinion]

PING

[areafiftyone]

(((((RUDY PING))))

[dalereed]

Rudy is human garbage just like the city he comes from.

[indylindy]

Bill Simon could never convince me of anything. Let alone to feel safer with someone who has done absolutely NOTHING to prove any reason why I should.

Whoop tee do . Ha ha. How incredibly funny!

[mhx]

It's not soothing to me. On the other hand, Bill Simon just went down a couple of notches in my opinion.

[Enosh]

Simon explained that Giuliani opposes partial-birth abortions and tax-funded abortions

O RLY?

[TommyDale]

This is the brilliant guy who couldn't beat the idiot Gray Davis.

[Digger]

Bill Simon who? I know, another pubbie pol loser.

[Jeff Head]

I am not basing my own personal opposition to Rudy on what Bill Simon does or doesn't say...I am basing it purely and squarely on what Rudy himself has both said and done.

Rudy loses my vote on principle on the issues of abortion, gay rights, gun rights, and immigration.

I believe that in order to be able to lead the nation properly in a crisis, that moral virtues absolutely count...and those issues reveal, at least from my perspective, where a person's moral issues lie as respects some very fundamental moral values that this nation and its liberty rest upon. For me, I dare not trust anyone with the reigns of power who gets those issues wrong.

[flashbunny]

So now they're just plain lying as they shill for rudy?

I wonder if any of these 'supporters' are paid 'consultants'. Would be interesting for some reporter to ask that question.

[indylindy]

Is it possible to get a lagh track behind some of these Rudy is the best posts?

It would save a lot of typing.

[TYVets]

I wonder if it was Simon that bought all the Giuliani stock I sold.

[TheLawyerFormerlyKnownAsAl]

Didn't soothe me when he ducked and weaved in his
appearance on Bennett's morning show a few weeks ago.

[Ol' Sparky]

Another? There have been a handful at most. And, poll after poll shows that Republican and conservatives aren't pleased with RINO frontrunners.

"Giuliani is a moderate on social issues, yet Simon has been a champion to conservatives on those same issues.

Since when did someone that supports taxpayer-funding for abortion, contribute money to radical pro-abortion groups like NARAL, march in gay pride parades with NAMBLA and appoint judges that order the taxpayer to pay for sex-change operations qualify as a moderate?

[Enosh]

So now they're just plain lying as they shill for rudy?

I guess they thought we wouldn't notice.

[Blackirish]

Actually Rudy has the same position on PBA as Hunter D.

[indylindy]

Lagh=laugh. Sorry

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

The only reason Simon is endorsing Giuliani is that they both served in Justice.

[freedomfiter2]

He said Simon explained that Giuliani opposes partial-birth abortions and tax-funded abortions

For what? Two weeks now?
You're too late Bill, Rudy peaked a year too soon.

[Reagan Man]

If Bill Simon and other self-professed conservatives want to run around supporting Rudy Giuliani, they should at least let everyone know it has nothing to do with the issues. Rudy remains a lifelong liberal and no amount of rhetorical bunkum can change that FACT!

Conservatives DO NOT support big government.
Conservatives support limited government.
Rudy supports big government liberalism.

Conservatives DO NOT support gun control.
Rudy supports gun control.

Conservatives DO NOT support an assault weapons ban.
Rudy supports an assault weapons ban.

Conservatives DO NOT support abortion on demand.
Rudy supports abortion on demand.

Conservatives DO NOT oppose a ban on partial birth abortion.
Rudy opposes a ban on partial birth abortion.

Conservatives DO NOT support special rights for homos.
Rudy supports special rights for homos.

Conservatives DO NOT support amnesty for illegals.
Rudy supports amnesty for illegals.

Conservatives DO NOT support the notion that humans are a significant cause of global warming.
Rudy supports the notion that humans are a significant cause of global warming.

Conservatives DO NOT support Campaign Finance Reform, AKA. McCain-Feingold.
Rudy supports Campaign Finance Reform, AKA. McCain-Feingold.

[DKNY]

The bitterness seen in the comments posted here is rooted in these two comments...

"When I talk to conservatives supporting Giuliani, many of them say, 'I'm putting my faith on what Bill Simon says.' "

"If he (Simon) is endorsing Giuliani, it makes some members of the conservative wing of the party feel safer," said Gaines, a Giuliani convert. "I did have concerns. But with the explanation of how he (Giuliani) would view Supreme Court appointments, I have a level of comfort."

And the fact that there are conservatives who like and will vote for Rudy.

[Enosh]

"Actually Rudy has the same position on PBA as Hunter D."

Links, please.

[ken5050]

Aceepting your principaled oppositon to Rudy's candidacy, if no conservative emerges from the GOP that meets your standards, then I assume you are going to sit out the 2008 election?

[MittFan08]

"Rudy is human garbage just like the city he comes from."

So are you gonna vote for him or not?

[FairOpinion]

Bill Simon has plenty of money of his own, he doesn't need anyone else's.

[Churchillspirit]

Rudy is human garbage......

That's a bit much.

[ken5050]

Yup..in the same state that keeps on electing the idiotic Barbara Boxer..

[flashbunny]

doesn't answer the question as to whether he's being paid by the giuliani campaign.

[ken5050]

we're putting Dalereed in the "undecided" column..

[Spiff]

"Despite his support for NARAL, partial birth
abortion, taxpayer funded abortion, Roe v.
Wade, abortion on demand, liberal judges,
appointing liberal cronies, endorsing Democrats,
allying with the Liberal Party, gay marriage, gay
adoption, gays in the military, government-
mandated "non-discrimination" againt gays,
"hate crimes" laws for gays, gay pride parades
and events, the Stonewall Riots, local gun control,
national gun control, gun confiscation, suing
gun manufacturers, government infringement upon
the 2nd Amendment, government infringement upon
the 1st Amendment, serial adultery, cross dressing,
and a lengthy laundry list of incredibly
liberal views, statements, and past performance...
you have to trust me when I tell you that Rudy Giuliani
is a conservative and not the radical liberal his
record clearly demonstrates that he is." - Baghdad Bill

[Czar]

"Rudy loses my vote on principle on the issues of abortion, gay rights, gun rights, and immigration."

And he loses mine for those same issues.

[Blackirish]

Yet, on the Fox News show, Giuliani said that he supports a ban on partial-birth abortion as long as there is a provision to protect the life of the mother.


"If it has provision for the life of the mother, then I would support it," he told the Fox News program.


Washington, D.C. – The House of Representatives yesterday passed H.R. 760, the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003, by a margin of 282-139. Congressman Duncan Hunter (CA-52), who is a cosponsor of the legislation, proudly voted in favor of this measure which prohibits medical doctors, except in situations where the LIFE OF THE MOTHER is threatened, from utilizing certain procedures that involve the partial delivery of a living unborn baby, killing the child, then completing the delivery

[Buck W.]

"Rudy is human garbage just like the city he comes from."
I try to ignore the vitriol from the anti-Rudy zealots, but gutter comments like yours need to be addressed. Your sentiment is in the same category as the commentaries found on junior high school bathroom stall walls. Even if you have a real point, your language serves only to drive more people away from your position.

[dalereed]

"So are you gonna vote for him or not?"

Not even if you put a gun to my head!

[Spiff]

He said Simon explained that Giuliani opposes partial-birth abortions and tax-funded abortions

Rudy Giuliani Supports Partial Birth Abortion.

[GEORGE] WILL: Is your support of partial birth abortion firm?
Mayor GIULIANI: All of my positions are firm. I have strong viewpoints. I express them. And I--I do not think that it makes sense to be changing your position....
ABC News February 6, 2000

---

TUCHMAN: Giuliani was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions, something Bush strongly supports.
GIULIANI: No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing.
- CNN December 2, 1999

---

BLITZER: If you were in the Senate and [President Clinton] vetoed, once again, the [ban on the] so-called partial-birth abortion procedure, you would vote against sustaining that against the -- in favor of the veto in other words, you would support the president on that.
GIULIANI: Yes. I said then that I support him, so I have no reason to change my mind about it.
BLITZER: All right. So the bottom line is that on a lot of these very sensitive issues whether on guns, abortion, patients' bill of rights, taxes, you are more in line with the president and by association, with Mrs. Clinton, than you are against them.
- CNN February 6, 2000

---

MR. RUSSERT: A banning of late-term abortions, so-called partial-birth abortions--you're against that?

MAYOR GIULIANI: I'm against it in New York, because in New York...

MR. RUSSERT: Well, if you were a senator, would you vote with the president or against the president? [Note: President Clinton was in office in 2000]

MAYOR GIULIANI: I would vote to preserve the option for women. I think that choice is a very difficult one. It's a very, very--it's one in which people of conscious have very, very different opinions. I think the better thing for America to do is to leave that choice to the woman, because it affects her probably more than anyone else....

MR. RUSSERT: So you won't change your view on late-term abortion in order to get the Conservative Party endorsement?

MAYOR GIULIANI: It isn't just that. We shouldn't limit this to one issue. I'm generally not going to change my views
- NBC Meet the Press, February 6, 2000

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***Note: the version of the Partial Birth Abortion Ban that Giuliani opposed in 2000, that he said he supported Bill Clinton in vetoing the Republican-controlled Congress's legislation, contained the exception for the life of the mother that Rudy is now trying to pretend is a prerequisite for his support of it.

Rudy Giuliani Supports Partial Birth Abortion.

[pogo101]

While it's "not nothing" to me that Simon supports Giuliani, it's not everything (or really all that "soothing") either.

Simon's support doesn't make Rudy any less wrong on illegal immigration, Gore-bal warming or the 2d Amendment.

[trisham]

"He comforted us. He inspired us in what was one of the darkest moments in our history," Simon said, extolling Giuliani's leadership after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. "Extraordinary times cry out for extraordinary leadership, and these as such times."

**************

So, I guess if we're attacked again, Giuliani would be a fine grief counselor. Excellent.

[Blackirish]

Yet, on the Fox News show, Giuliani said that he supports a ban on partial-birth abortion as long as there is a provision to protect the life of the mother.


"If it has provision for the life of the mother, then I would support it," he told the Fox News program.


Washington, D.C. – The House of Representatives yesterday passed H.R. 760, the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003, by a margin of 282-139. Congressman Duncan Hunter (CA-52), who is a cosponsor of the legislation, proudly voted in favor of this measure which prohibits medical doctors, except in situations where the LIFE OF THE MOTHER is threatened, from utilizing certain procedures that involve the partial delivery of a living unborn baby, killing the child, then completing the delivery

[onyx]

Breaking news on FNC --- Governator to sign bill tomorrow which moves CA's primary to February 5, 2007.

Super Duper Tuesday.

[Enosh]

"he told the Fox News program."

How about something before his tap dance for the White House began?

[Spiff]

Thanks for reminding me. I'll have to add that to Baghdad Bill's idiocy...
"Despite his support for NARAL, partial birth
abortion, taxpayer funded abortion, Roe v.
Wade, abortion on demand, liberal judges,
appointing liberal cronies, endorsing Democrats,
allying with the Liberal Party, gay marriage, gay
adoption, gays in the military, government-
mandated "non-discrimination" againt gays,
"hate crimes" laws for gays, gay pride parades
and events, the Stonewall Riots, local gun control,
national gun control, gun confiscation, suing
gun manufacturers, government infringement upon
the 2nd Amendment, government infringement upon
the 1st Amendment, serial adultery, cross dressing,
global warming hype, amnesty for criminal invaders,
ignoring immigration laws and regulations,
benefits and citizenship for illegal aliens,
and a lengthy laundry list of incredibly
liberal views, statements, and past performance...
you have to trust me when I tell you that Rudy Giuliani
is a conservative and not the radical liberal his
record clearly demonstrates that he is." - Baghdad Bill

[DKNY]

Rudy is human garbage just like the city he comes from.

I guess as someone who lives in the State of Nancy Pelosi you would be an expert in haman garbage.

[Jeff Head]

I will vote for someone who meets those standards. I pray it will be the GOP, but that will be up to the GOP and the primaries. I will do all in my power to project those principles on the GOP through the primaries.

Funny...but outside of the immigration issue (which has become a glaring issue over the last 8-12 years IMHO) those principles have never been a real issue for the GOP before.

[pissant]

Bill Simon does not soothe me in the least.

[DKNY]

haman = human

[garv]

The full exchange with Hannity is below. Why did he oppose the PBA ban, which had a life of the mother provision, when campaigning for the Senate in 2000?

HANNITY: Partial birth?

GIULIANI: Partial-birth abortion, I think that's going to be upheld. I think that ban is going to be upheld. I think it should be. And I think, as long as there's provision for the life of the mother, then that's something that should be done.

HANNITY: There's a misconception that you supported partial-birth abortion.

GIULIANI: Yes, well, if it doesn't have a provision for the life of the mother, then I wouldn't support the legislation. If it has provision for the life of the mother, then I would support it.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

I don't think Rudy is human garbage and others who don't support Rudy don't hate him personally.

Rudy is just too liberal and he has a Nixonian streak in him. I was a supporter of him until the stench became too much to overcome. I found the light and I hope others who support Rudy do so too.

[dalereed]

I don't correct typing errors for you or anyone else!

[abigailsmybaby]

CA conservative= oxymoron

or

CA conservative= liberal