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‘Liar loans’ loom large
March 15, 2007 ^ | March 15, 2007 | Scott Van Voorhis

Posted on 03/15/2007 12:58:07 AM PDT by Graybeard58

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To: Graybeard58

There is some good news - investment properties will be widely available and relatively affordable. 'Course they'll need some cosmetic fixing-up.......


21 posted on 03/15/2007 2:20:14 AM PDT by tgusa (Gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .....)
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To: durasell

You mean those who know the price of everything and the value of nothing? Or those who bought as much house as they could afford but more than they needed as an "investment?" Or those that bought beachfront second homes. Or those that believed the hype that ou can make a killing in real estate.


22 posted on 03/15/2007 2:36:55 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine's brother (Jane Fonda was type cast in the movie "Klute")
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To: Jimmy Valentine's brother

Those who played by the rules and the rules paid off until multiple foreclosures in their neighborhoods depressed the price of their homes.


23 posted on 03/15/2007 2:38:35 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: Rummenigge; durasell
I don't know about other areas, but in Portland (OR) Metro, low doc - no doc loans usually were sold to immigrants who were counting on renting out the various rooms for income to support the loans.
This is a no no in single family house financing -or it was a number of years ago.
But I think these immigrants will service their loans to the very best of their ability. (Remember, I'm a seal the borders type of guy, but that's what my observations have shown in in the past
24 posted on 03/15/2007 3:40:26 AM PDT by investigateworld (Those Border Patrol guys will do more time than the worst Jap POW camp commander, thanks Bush!.....)
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To: Lancey Howard
The more recent practice of offering "no income verification" mortgages to people with shaky credit was a disaster waiting to happen.

I'm exactly the kind of person that "no doc" loans were devised for: consultant with a 780 FICO score. I had no idea they were giving them out to indigents living in Section 8a housing. That's kind of insane.

In any case Biz Week did an excellent article on the topic of option ARMs last year, everyone should take a look:

BUSINESS WEEK ONLINE
SEPTEMBER 11, 2006

COVER STORY

Nightmare Mortgages
They promise the American Dream: A home of your own -- with ultra-low rates and payments anyone can afford. Now, the trap has sprung

25 posted on 03/15/2007 3:45:52 AM PDT by angkor
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To: Graybeard58
Like this hasn't been going on forever, eh?

Back in the day, when I ran a residential framing outfit on Cape Cod, I worked for a couple of builders who kept stacks of W2 forms handy. This was over thirty years ago and the builders, buyers and bankers were all colluding to get unqualified people into houses.

I'd say about 95% of these "unqualified" folks found a way to make their payments and have probably moved up to more substantial homes by now. Of course on the Cape today that 2 bedroom half Cape on 1/4 acre that went for $27,900 brand spanking new is "worth" over $400,000.

26 posted on 03/15/2007 3:51:19 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: Graybeard58
From 2004....

Subprime loan market grows despite troubles

Especially interesting the short bit about ACORN, Citigroup, and subprime loans to illegal immigrants.

27 posted on 03/15/2007 3:55:06 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: XR7

I paid my student loan off early. The loan people thought I was crazy, and heavily hinted that most loans aren't paid back at all.


28 posted on 03/15/2007 3:55:24 AM PDT by RangerM
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To: mkjessup

lost another Di-Tech! :)


29 posted on 03/15/2007 3:56:38 AM PDT by RangerM
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To: Graybeard58

on Section 8 rental assistance, who had been paying $200 a month in rent, was put into a $350,000 mortgage. Her income was listed as $72,000, when in fact she made half that,


Half that .... hmmm 36,000$$ a year and shes in section 8.

Sweet , where can I sign up? .. and can I rent from myself or do I have to go to one of their places?


And on another note , I saw a story about a poor little old lady who re-mortgaged her paid off home for 350,000 ... her income was 1000 a month ... poor girl. But my question ... what the heck did she do with the money?

Am I suppose to feel sorry for these folks?


30 posted on 03/15/2007 4:00:50 AM PDT by THEUPMAN (####### comment deleted by moderator)
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To: Graybeard58

IMHO, this sounds like collusion between developers, appraisers and and mortgage brokers...to take advantage of individuals and lenders....to the end benefit of the builder/developer. Wonder how far into it Deval is?!!


31 posted on 03/15/2007 4:04:44 AM PDT by mo
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To: Graybeard58
A collapse of the housing boom due to the collapse of fly-by-night loan sharks might be a good thing. Think of the repercussions....fewer houses bought, fewer new ones built, bankrupt contractors and unemployed illegal aliens all over the place, local governments and homeowners assn. go into hard times as property values fall. I love it. The housing industry, and it's liaison with intrusive government, has become a blood sucking industry and deserves such a fate.
32 posted on 03/15/2007 4:06:49 AM PDT by wgflyer (Liberalism is to society what HIV is to the immune system.)
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To: mewzilla
ACORN Housing

ACORN, Citibank, and Bank of America.

I wonder what percentage of these loans have gone to illegals and what their default rate is?

33 posted on 03/15/2007 4:07:11 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: durasell
Wait until the value of houses owned by those with good credit ratings start sinking like a stone.

The people that live in these homes today still need a place to live.

I suspect things will be rocky for awhile if you are trying to sell a home. However, I think that will followed by a pretty long period of increases in families renting homes. If you have money, buy some of these foreclosures at $.50 on the dollar and rent them back to the same people that tried to buy them.

34 posted on 03/15/2007 4:15:50 AM PDT by IamConservative (Any man who agrees with you on everything, will lie to anyone.)
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To: Graybeard58
In one case ESAC is dealing with, a Dorchester woman on Section 8 rental assistance, who had been paying $200 a month in rent, was put into a $350,000 mortgage. Her income was listed as $72,000, when in fact she made half that, documents reviewed by the Herald show.

The first time my wife and I shopped for a house over 20 years ago the rule of thumb was the mortgage couldn't exceed 2 1/2 times income. This was 5 times income.

35 posted on 03/15/2007 4:19:14 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Graybeard58

There's a sucker born every minute.

The price of laziness in school gets paid as as adult.


36 posted on 03/15/2007 4:29:51 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P.)
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To: Kozak

"Ah yes they were "victims".

Gag me."

I can tell you haven't spoken with a mortgage lender lately. Many are extremely unethical and even the educated consumer has to be wary.

Sure consumers have a stake in this but when the licensed and state certified mortgage guy says something people tend to listen. Fraud on his part doesn't make the consumer an idiot.


37 posted on 03/15/2007 4:39:07 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: Jimmy Valentine's brother

"Guess it's like being conned into running up a hughe credit card debt while buying non necessities or gong on expensive vactions."

Why do so many people give a free pass to banks and mortgage companies? Those companies know what they are doing lending to novice and over leveraged consumers. In fact the banks and lenders will target them BECAUSE they are novices and easy to sway.


38 posted on 03/15/2007 4:41:48 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: mo

Do not forget to add in the governmental pressure to increase the "diversity" of home owners and the continuous charges that the mortgage industry was being "unfair" to certain groups.


39 posted on 03/15/2007 4:43:25 AM PDT by writmeister
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To: investigateworld
I think the big banks saw this coming which is why they had CONgress re write the bankruptcy law.

I don't think debts incurred via fraud were ever (or now) eligible to be discharged in bankruptcy.

40 posted on 03/15/2007 5:11:17 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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