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‘Liar loans’ loom large
March 15, 2007 ^ | March 15, 2007 | Scott Van Voorhis

Posted on 03/15/2007 12:58:07 AM PDT by Graybeard58

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To: Rummenigge

>>In this lies potential for a true economic crisis.<<

Yep. Not guaranteed, but it is there. It could be one part of a "perfect storm".


61 posted on 03/15/2007 8:50:00 AM PDT by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in 1938.)
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To: Voter#537

>>Everybody who was paying attention knew this was going to occur.<<

I disagree. A LOT of people on FR the last couple of years have been talking about this and they were labeled "doom and gloomers" by people that would keep blathering about how THEIR home was worth more than it used to be.

They forgot the phrase "no man is an island". When all your neighbors are in foreclosure, it will impact you whether you like it or not, especially if you are in sales.


62 posted on 03/15/2007 8:53:13 AM PDT by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in 1938.)
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To: durasell

>>Victims? You want victims? Wait until the value of houses owned by those with good credit ratings start sinking like a stone.<<

You nailed it.


63 posted on 03/15/2007 8:54:00 AM PDT by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in 1938.)
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To: angkor
"a Dorchester woman on Section 8 rental assistance, who had been paying $200 a month in rent, was put into a $350,000 mortgage. Her income was listed as $72,000, when in fact she made half that..."

Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but it looks like she was in Section 8 with an income @ $36,000. Unless she has about ten kids, even Section 8 sounds pretty flaky. Why are people making that much money getting rental assistance?
64 posted on 03/15/2007 8:55:49 AM PDT by Brucifer (JF'n Kerry- "That's not just a paper cut, it's a Purple Heart!")
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To: Graybeard58
And in the meantime, folks who can and do provide all the paperwork can't get a home refinianced to pay off debts.

It's a mad, mad, mad world.

65 posted on 03/15/2007 8:56:17 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Graybeard58
...was put into a $350,000 mortgage. Her income was listed as $72,000

How can you carry a 350K mortgage on 72K/yr?

66 posted on 03/15/2007 8:58:09 AM PDT by HIDEK6
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To: Jim Verdolini
"Lost another one to Di-Tech."
Don't take a wack at those folk. 3 years ago I refinanced a fixed 30 to a fixed 15. Their interest rate was good but what was better was they actually charged what they advertised. We tried Lending tree, got their 4 quotes, and checked out the two lowest cost. When we got the actual paperwork, we found a hidden $5K in fees, not listed in their original proposals....No Ditech (GMAC) did a fine job and did it honestly.


Oh hey, I have nothing against Ditech, it's their commercials that drive me nutz (which proves they're effective), but in all seriousness - with a good results story like that Jim, you ought to be doing their commercial spots. ;)
67 posted on 03/15/2007 8:59:15 AM PDT by mkjessup (If Reagan were still with us, he'd ask us to "win one more for the Gipper, vote for Duncan Hunter!")
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To: wgflyer

But wait until the Federal government makes you and me bail those people out for their poor decisions.


68 posted on 03/15/2007 9:25:04 AM PDT by cpprfld (Who said accountants are boring?)
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To: L98Fiero
Blaming the government for people being sorry is easy but not accurate. I have no pity for those who chose to forgo work and borrow all they could to maintain their cushy, party-filled, high-school lifestyle while in college.

It is the government who fosters that "lifestyle", starting with public school through grade 12, teaching them that they are "entitled" to a college education, then giving those same kids bucket-loads of money and guaranteeing the loans to lenders. If the ex-student defaults, why should the lender care? The taxpayers end up paying the lender and get stuck with the bill. Suckers.

69 posted on 03/15/2007 9:56:48 AM PDT by XR7
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To: Darnright
That said, if the federal government didn't make these loans so easy to get, perhaps the colleges wouldn't put the cost of a Bachelor's degree up in the 6 figure realm.

You nailed it.
They will continue to jack up tuitions, books, etc., so long as the sky is the limit.
Colleges are profit-motivated institutions, and they will raise their price to whateever the market will bear.
And at this point, there seems to be no ceiling on that.

70 posted on 03/15/2007 10:03:13 AM PDT by XR7
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To: Lancey Howard

Yes and when they started being offered to people who are not self employed.


71 posted on 03/15/2007 10:08:00 AM PDT by veryconernedamerican
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To: goldstategop
Its a felony to lie on your loan application

Yeah, but employees of the sub-prime companies sometimes encourage it. I irked a client last year (I'm a lawyer) because I refused to move ahead with the sale of a tract of land with a trailer. The trailer needs some work, too much work to quailify for a HUD loan. The (sub prime) mortgage broker's solution was to raise the sales price by $20,000, then have my client kick the $20,000 back to the Buyers under the table, so that the Buyers could perform the repairs, and bring the trailer up to the condition the Buyers were already representing that it was in.

I said no, and several heated conversations with my client, who was all for it, failed to convince him that he would be committing a felony when he signed the HUD-1 form at closing, because it showed the money going to the Seller, not the Buyer.

I think that all that kept me from getting fired -- so someone else could close the deal -- was that I further pointed out that my client would get a 10-99 for the entire sales price. The IRS wouldn't care if he kicked $20,000 back to the Buyer, they would want their capital gains tax on it. The thought of having to pay capital gains tax on money he didn't have finally got him to see the light.

72 posted on 03/15/2007 10:15:59 AM PDT by Pilsner
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To: Kozak

Lenders ought to be professionals. Maybe "victim" is too strong a word, but who is in charge of the money? Who is abusing the system?


73 posted on 03/15/2007 10:22:27 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: redgolum

You were making all the non payers look bad! Shame on you.


74 posted on 03/15/2007 10:30:16 AM PDT by B4Ranch (You're in America now. Here we speak English.)
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To: B4Ranch
It was a very surreal conversation. He kept saying about "how much you will save on taxes!". And I kept saying "I don't want to be in debt for 20 years!"

The worst thing is that when I tried to refinance, they refused. I would had to have a live check from the new company, and pay ISL off. Which would have hit me with taxes on that check for income, so I didn't do it.

Funny thing is they do write off a lot of loans (many of my former classmates had their student loans written off) so I can't figure out why they would be mad at a guy that pays ahead.
75 posted on 03/15/2007 10:43:05 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Darnright

It wouldn't bother me if real estate values dropped. I'd get a break on taxes.


huh? think again. The tax bill is prorated over the values of all property. As all values go down, your tax bill will stay the same. But you didn't mind the high tax bill when the value of your house was going up, now you will.


76 posted on 03/15/2007 10:48:23 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: XR7

Good points there.


77 posted on 03/15/2007 10:53:39 AM PDT by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: PeterPrinciple

>But you didn't mind the high tax bill when the value of your house was going up, now you will.<

Go back and read my post. We're in our house to stay. I don't want my property values to skyrocket. It's not right that young people have to take on outlandish debt to get a starter home.

The tax bill might be pro-rated, but if you don't think your county commissioners (or city council, etc.) aren't getting drunk with greed over these illogically high real estate prices, you might want to reconsider.


78 posted on 03/15/2007 11:02:53 AM PDT by Darnright
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To: Kozak
I don't get it

Many of the now beleagured home buyers the agency sees were conned into buying homes they could not afford by fast-talking mortgage brokers, ..., often filled out the paperwork and pulled job titles and salaries out of thin air.

Did these losers think that somehow they wouldn't ever have to make the payment? It sounds like the fraud is on the part of the home buyer buying something that they can't afford and have no intention of paying for. How many people are so stupid to think that if they make $600 a week, then can pay a $3000 a month mortgage and still make payments on their 22 inch rims, buy $100 worth of lotto tickets each week, and still have money left over for a couple of cases of beer on the weekend and a couple of sixpacks on week nights?

79 posted on 03/15/2007 11:25:59 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: q_an_a
Keating 5

John McCain of presidential aspirations was one. Haven't heard about this from the MSM since he went ballistically liberal

80 posted on 03/15/2007 11:30:05 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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