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Giuliani's Pre-9/11 Record Should Erase Rightest Doubts
Hunan Events ^ | 3/16/07 | Deroy Murdock

Posted on 03/16/2007 5:05:33 AM PDT by areafiftyone

The same Beltway experts who declared Sen. John McCain (R.-Ariz.) the GOP frontrunner, even as he under-polled fellow presidential contender Rudolph W. Giuliani, now parrot equally dodgy concepts. When Republicans meet “the real Rudy,” they will abandon New York’s former mayor like cattle fleeing a burning barn. Then, the wobbly Washington wisdom continues, Giuliani’s three marriages, and his less-than-solidly right-wing views on gays, guns, and gametes will torpedo his buoyant presidential hopes.

These seers now detect unhappiness with the GOP aspirants. They cite a recent Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll in which 26% of Republican primary voters were dissatisfied with Giuliani, McCain, and former Massachusetts governor Willard Mitt Romney, among others. However, 56% called these choices satisfactory. This mirrors the 57%of conservative Republicans who preferred Giuliani, versus 31% for McCain. More broadly, Republicans backed Giuliani 38% to McCain’s 24, former House speaker Newt Gingrich’s 10, Romney’s 8, and 2% each for Kansas Senator Sam Brownback and former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee.

But what if voters like Giuliani better upon understanding his pre-9-11 performance? Educating Republicans on his complete mayoral record -- and soon -- may be Giuliani’s best bet for extinguishing lingering grumbling about his candidacy.

I recently visited Baltimore, Charlotte, Richmond, Salem, Oregon; Seattle, and Johnstown, Pennsylvania, mainly to deliver speeches sponsored by Young America’s Foundation. I conversed with conservative activists, College Republican leaders, university professors, and think-tank scholars, among others.

These Americans vividly remember Giuliani emerging from the ashes of September 11, like a latter-day Churchill rising from the rubble of the London Blitz. However, these involved and informed citizens knew startlingly little about Giuliani’s other mayoral achievements:

Beyond these socially conservative victories, Giuliani governed as a Reaganesque supply-sider:
Rudy got this done thanks largely to a management style that he described Wednesday at a $2 million Manhattan fundraiser: “I’m impatient and single-minded about my goals.”

Giuliani’s legacy has earned the endorsements of such screaming liberals as President Bush’s former solicitor general, Ted Olson, Sen. David Vitter (R.-La.), and Rep. Pete Sessions (R.-Tex.) -- both proud owners of 100% ratings from the National Right to Life Committee.

Before Giuliani’s enemies caricature him as a divorce-driven, abortion-peddling, gun-grabbing transvestite, he should familiarize Republicans with his mayoral accomplishments. From Westwood to Washington’s echo chamber, Rudy Giuliani and his supporters should specify how he rescued America’s largest left-wing city through Reaganite social and economic reforms.


Mr. Murdock, a New York-based commentator to HUMAN EVENTS, is a columnist with the Scripps Howard News Service and a media fellow with the Hoover Institution on War, Revolution and Peace at Stanford University.


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Before Giuliani’s enemies caricature him as a divorce-driven, abortion-peddling, gun-grabbing transvestite,

ROFLMAO!! He sure does read Free Republic! LOL!

1 posted on 03/16/2007 5:05:37 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: Blackirish; Jameison; Sabramerican; BunnySlippers; tkathy; veronica; Roccus; Jake The Goose; ...

((((((RUDY PING))))


2 posted on 03/16/2007 5:06:04 AM PDT by areafiftyone (RUDY GIULIANI 2008 - STRENGTH AND LEADERSHIP)
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To: zot; Interesting Times; SeraphimApprentice

Guiliani ping


3 posted on 03/16/2007 5:07:15 AM PDT by GreyFriar ( 3rd Armored Division - Spearhead)
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To: areafiftyone

Conservatives who are attacking Rudy unwittingly are helping the Dems and smoothing the way for a Hillary or Obama presidency, because Rudy is the only one beating the Dems. The Democrats know that and they are using the divide and conquer strategy. Nearly all MSM articles about Rudy start out with almost those caricature pictures.

If the Republicans nominate anyone other than Rudy, we WILL have a Dem president. Heil Fuhrer Hillary. Apparently some conservatives are happy with that.


Giuliani Leads Hillary, Obama in 2008 Race


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1801785/posts


4 posted on 03/16/2007 5:10:31 AM PDT by FairOpinion (Victory in Iraq. Stop Hillary. Go to: http://www.TheVanguard.org)
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To: areafiftyone
Caricature? The truth is hardly a characture. Rudy spoke to NARAL. Twice. He has been divorced. Twice. I don't think he's a transvesite, but it was stupid of him to dress in drag. Twice.

And regarding the gun-grabbing, he did that much more than twice. He pushed for federal gun control laws after the Empire State Building shooting in 1997, took guns away from long-term permit holders and sued gun manufacturers.

The gun-grabbing, pro-abort divorced shoe fits, Deroy. Maybe if you would remove your lips from Rudy's backside for a few seconds, you'd be able to see that.

5 posted on 03/16/2007 5:12:23 AM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: areafiftyone; Admin Moderator
ROFLMAO!! He sure does read Free Republic! LOL!

But apparently you don't, or don't remember what you read yesterday.

DUPLICATE.

Meet the Real Rudy - Deroy Murdock

PINGED to the RUDY list by areafiftyone at post 12, in case someone notes the title was different.

Why have the same discussion today we had yesterday?

6 posted on 03/16/2007 5:19:02 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: FairOpinion
Conservatives who are attacking Rudy unwittingly are helping the Dems and smoothing the way for a Hillary

Of course they are. They are so blinded by their hate that they would actually (out of spite) rather have Hillary as the president just to say "See look what I did just to spite Rudy". Then when she does something they don't like they have no one to blame but themselves when they start howling and crying.

7 posted on 03/16/2007 5:19:39 AM PDT by areafiftyone (RUDY GIULIANI 2008 - STRENGTH AND LEADERSHIP)
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To: FairOpinion

Only Hillary is conservative enough for some people.


8 posted on 03/16/2007 5:19:44 AM PDT by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: areafiftyone

Of course, they would blame supporters of Rudy for President Hillary, even though they were the ones who got Hillary elected by staying home.


9 posted on 03/16/2007 5:20:55 AM PDT by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Is this the same article? I didn't realize that. If it's a duplicate they can delete it.


10 posted on 03/16/2007 5:21:00 AM PDT by areafiftyone (RUDY GIULIANI 2008 - STRENGTH AND LEADERSHIP)
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To: LtdGovt

LOL! They can blame us all they want. I know who I will vote for and it will be whomever wins the Republican nomination.


11 posted on 03/16/2007 5:22:37 AM PDT by areafiftyone (RUDY GIULIANI 2008 - STRENGTH AND LEADERSHIP)
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To: FairOpinion
At this point in the race there are more important issues than winning. Rudy is a New York City Liberal, and saying that he isn't 12 gazillion times does not change him one bit.

If we were so stupid as to believe things simply because they were being said and re-said to us as often as possible, we'd all be Democrats.

12 posted on 03/16/2007 5:25:17 AM PDT by tcostell (MOLON LABE)
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To: areafiftyone
I would have thought the tortured sentence structure, metaphors, and alliteration of the first paragraph would have been a giveaway:

The same Beltway experts who declared Sen. John McCain (R.-Ariz.) the GOP frontrunner, even as he under-polled fellow presidential contender Rudolph W. Giuliani, now parrot equally dodgy concepts. When Republicans meet “the real Rudy,” they will abandon New York’s former mayor like cattle fleeing a burning barn. Then, the wobbly Washington wisdom continues, Giuliani’s three marriages, and his less-than-solidly right-wing views on gays, guns, and gametes will torpedo his buoyant presidential hopes.

I couldn't soon forget "gays, guns, and gametes", much less "wobbly Washington wisdom".

I also remembered laughing at the "less-than-solidly right-wing". It was like looking at a pot of boiling water and describing it as "less-then-completely-frozen".

13 posted on 03/16/2007 5:27:28 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: areafiftyone

BTW, I flagged the multiple posts about Giuliani's ties to Venezuela yesterday -- I don't have time to have these talks once per article, much less 4-5. Nothing personal.


14 posted on 03/16/2007 5:28:23 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: FairOpinion
If the Republicans nominate anyone other than Rudy, we WILL have a Dem president.

I don't think this is necessarily true
15 posted on 03/16/2007 5:28:55 AM PDT by YellowRoseofTx
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To: tcostell
Rudy is a New York City Liberal, and saying that he isn't 12 gazillion times does not change him one bit.

Your impeccable, unassailable argument has changed my mind. If you say that he's a NYC liberal, that must be true. No question about it. I will no longer support Rudy.
16 posted on 03/16/2007 5:29:05 AM PDT by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

I understand completely. Thank you for pointing it out. The problem is the columnists keep posting their column under a different title on different websites. Makes it difficult to do a search.


17 posted on 03/16/2007 5:30:39 AM PDT by areafiftyone (RUDY GIULIANI 2008 - STRENGTH AND LEADERSHIP)
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To: YellowRoseofTx; FairOpinion
I don't think this is necessarily true

Not necessarily, of course. Even Duncan Hunter would have a 0.01% chance of winning the general election. However, while Rudy has a good shot at the presidency, if nominated, the others don't.
18 posted on 03/16/2007 5:30:50 AM PDT by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: areafiftyone
Good post ping. At this point, Rudy's biggest asset is his 8 point lead against Hillary. So long as that holds, the nomination will be his for the taking.

If he gets elected with the help of social conservatives, they will have some say in his administration, perhaps stopping a Harriet Miers type nomination. If the social conservatives bail, he can just ignore them like Ahnold has in California and rule as a social liberal, in which case they will be powerless to place any obstacles to the baby killing.

It's up to them, really. The religious right has so marginalized themselves politically at this point they cannot stop a Giuliani nomination or presidency. The only question left is whether they want to have any influence at all.

19 posted on 03/16/2007 5:30:57 AM PDT by massadvj
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To: YellowRoseofTx

"I don't think this is necessarily true"

There are certainly no guarantees, but Rudy has the best probably to beat the Dems.

The Clinton machine will roll over any of the other Republican candidates and I don't see a magical Republican "superman" rising.


20 posted on 03/16/2007 5:31:47 AM PDT by FairOpinion (Victory in Iraq. Stop Hillary. Go to: http://www.TheVanguard.org)
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To: areafiftyone; CharlesWayneCT

Don't worry about it -- it's not like the same article was posted multiple times within five minutes, or a very short time from each other, which is the only thing the Mods are concerned about.


21 posted on 03/16/2007 5:35:01 AM PDT by FairOpinion (Victory in Iraq. Stop Hillary. Go to: http://www.TheVanguard.org)
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To: areafiftyone

"Before Giuliani’s enemies caricature him as a divorce-driven, abortion-peddling, gun-grabbing transvestite,"

Guess what Deroy, Rudy has already done that by himself. Can't hide the truth.


22 posted on 03/16/2007 5:35:29 AM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: areafiftyone

Should we add to the list the well known pre-9/11 leadership qualities that both of us have listed numerous times on this site?

o The not granting and audience to the blowhard Al Sharpton
o The confining of Yassar Arafat to his Embassy for the duration of his visit to the UN
o The Refusing to attend the same dinner as Fidel Castro
o The telling of the Saudi Sheik to shove his $20M after 9/11

Seems like a pretty strong pattern of leadership that would suit us well in the WOT. In all of these non politically correct actions that should be red meat to a hyena The Liberals when they did raise the objection, it was only a token effort. They knew he had a backbone and they were cowards.


23 posted on 03/16/2007 5:36:03 AM PDT by noname07718
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To: massadvj
If he gets elected with the help of social conservatives, they will have some say in his administration, perhaps stopping a Harriet Miers type nomination. If the social conservatives bail, he can just ignore them like Ahnold has in California and rule as a social liberal,

Exactly.
24 posted on 03/16/2007 5:37:13 AM PDT by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: YellowRoseofTx
Agreed.


25 posted on 03/16/2007 5:37:26 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: massadvj

"It's up to them, really. The religious right has so marginalized themselves politically at this point they cannot stop a Giuliani nomination or presidency. The only question left is whether they want to have any influence at all."


Exactly!


26 posted on 03/16/2007 5:37:39 AM PDT by FairOpinion (Victory in Iraq. Stop Hillary. Go to: http://www.TheVanguard.org)
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To: FairOpinion
Conservatives who are attacking Rudy unwittingly are helping the Dems and smoothing the way for a Hillary or Obama presidency, because Rudy is the only one beating the Dems.

Stop telling lies...

27 posted on 03/16/2007 5:38:49 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: areafiftyone

This right-winger has never had any doubts about Mr. Giuliani. He has been openly an enthusiastically left-wing pol with lousy morals and home life who was an effective mayor of a left wing city.


28 posted on 03/16/2007 5:39:50 AM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: massadvj

But actually Rudy is leading among the "religious right" also -- there are only a few loud people who still don't get it.

Churchgoers less likely to support Giuliani (but he is LEADING among them too)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1801804/posts

Although the former New York mayor leads U.S. Sen. John McCain among all categories, his lead is only seven points (31-24) among weekly churchgoers, compared to 28 points (47-19) among those who attend church nearly weekly or monthly, and 27 points (49-22) among those who seldom or never attend church.


29 posted on 03/16/2007 5:39:54 AM PDT by FairOpinion (Victory in Iraq. Stop Hillary. Go to: http://www.TheVanguard.org)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

Giuliani Leads Hillary, Obama in 2008 Race

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1801785/posts


This is why the Dems want to see "anyone but Rudy" as the Republican nominee, because they can BEAT anyone but Rudy.

And let me repeat: Conservatives who are attacking Rudy unwittingly are helping the Dems and smoothing the way for a Hillary or Obama presidency, because Rudy is the only one beating the Dems.


30 posted on 03/16/2007 5:41:35 AM PDT by FairOpinion (Victory in Iraq. Stop Hillary. Go to: http://www.TheVanguard.org)
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To: flashbunny

A friend of mine used to tell me that you can't polish a turd. But Murdock sure gives it a good college try.


31 posted on 03/16/2007 5:42:29 AM PDT by FreeInWV
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To: FairOpinion; Admin Moderator

My concerns are not the moderator concerns.

If our desire at FR is to have a serious discussion of the issues raised about our candidates in the media, posting the same articles multiple times over consecutive days is not the way to do it. Nobody can afford the time to read them again and again, and the wisdom from the previous posting is lost on the people reading the newer one.

If you must note that the same article got printed another day, just post it with a link to the previous discussion.

It's not hard to search the database, especially if people would use a little bit of common sense on the keywords (the ony article "Meet the real Rudy" didn't have GIULIANIE as a keyword, for example).

Note that when an "excerpt" article is posted multiple times with different excerpts, we could be violating the consent agreement, something I believe the moderators are keenly interested in.


32 posted on 03/16/2007 5:48:38 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: FreeInWV

Human garbage, turd, Julie-Annie, NAMBLA-supporter, whatever slur you want to use to attack Rudy, bring it on!


33 posted on 03/16/2007 5:50:11 AM PDT by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

You post the SAME things on ANY thread, so it's totally irrelevant what the article actually says.

Stop being so hypocritical.

Nobody forces you to post, so skip the second posting of the article and go cheerlead the "conservativs for Hillary section".


34 posted on 03/16/2007 5:50:49 AM PDT by FairOpinion (Victory in Iraq. Stop Hillary. Go to: http://www.TheVanguard.org)
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To: FairOpinion

IF Rudy gets the nod the battle is lost.
The general election won't mean a thing.

Rudy? Hillery? Obama? dosn't matter .....
Our only hope is to find a conservative who can make it through the primaries.

I won't vote for anyone ... EVER .... who is willing to permit partial birth abortions.
That just says to much about a mans soul.

and that is just the first issue in a long list that rudy is on the wrong side of.


35 posted on 03/16/2007 5:51:32 AM PDT by THEUPMAN (####### comment deleted by moderator)
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To: FairOpinion

Intereting stats. Thanks for sharing them.


36 posted on 03/16/2007 5:52:55 AM PDT by massadvj
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To: areafiftyone; dirtboy
" Educating Republicans on his complete mayoral record -- and soon -- may be Giuliani’s best bet for extinguishing lingering grumbling about his candidacy."

If Delroy wants people to be educated on Rudy's record as mayor why do the Rudybots scream every time an article is posted about things he did in office?
37 posted on 03/16/2007 5:53:51 AM PDT by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super Walmart for news .)
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To: FairOpinion

Stop telling lies. Nobody can predict the future.


38 posted on 03/16/2007 5:54:07 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Exactly


39 posted on 03/16/2007 5:54:18 AM PDT by YellowRoseofTx
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To: dirtboy

Don't worry.
The Rudy Rooters assure me that;
1. This is OLD news.
2. Even though Rudy's own words and policies support these concerns, he certainly wouldn't govern the entire country with that agenda.
3. "But, but, he was MEAN to Arafat!!! (and everybody marches in the Gay Pride parade).


40 posted on 03/16/2007 5:54:18 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: FairOpinion

"Rudy is the only one beating the Dems."

Says you and the LIBERALS.

Again.

and again.

and again.

and again.

and again.

and again.

But what are you doing to persuade voters of the value of voting for someone further to the Right?


41 posted on 03/16/2007 5:55:00 AM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: areafiftyone

Very few of us hate Rudy. I'm sure he is a fine fellow to go to a Yankees game with. What we HATE is his liberalism, in ALL of its manifestations.


42 posted on 03/16/2007 5:56:07 AM PDT by pissant (http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: areafiftyone

Says you and the LIBERALS.

Again.

and again.

and again.

and again.

and again.

and again.

But what are you doing to persuade voters of the value of voting for someone further to the Right?


43 posted on 03/16/2007 5:58:03 AM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: FairOpinion

"And let me repeat: Conservatives who are attacking Rudy unwittingly are helping the Dems and smoothing the way for a Hillary or Obama presidency, because Rudy is the only one beating the Dems."


How politically ignorant are you? Or do you actually have a clue and are acting ignorant to bolster rudy?

Either way, it's not a good trait.


44 posted on 03/16/2007 6:00:48 AM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: FreeInWV

Sean and deroy are doing their best to "pimp my rino" and polish turds this year.

They can spin all they want, but rudy's own record and statements are the things they fear the most.


46 posted on 03/16/2007 6:02:29 AM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: FairOpinion
"You post the SAME things on ANY thread, so it's totally irrelevant what the article actually says.

Stop being so hypocritical."

Oh, this is rich. Pot, meet kettle.

47 posted on 03/16/2007 6:02:49 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: LtdGovt

It IS not Rudy versus Hillary. Neither of them have won jack squat. Both are going to have to FIGHT for the nomination. Fine and dandy, its how the system works.

But for you to sit here and expect that on a very conservative website, that those very conservative members are going to just get on board with Rudy instead of work to dump him, is irrational


48 posted on 03/16/2007 6:02:54 AM PDT by pissant (http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: areafiftyone
Not counting his pro-gay, pro-abortion and pro-illegal alien views, his being anti-gun is enough for me to not even consider voting for him. Pro-law enforcement? As far as I'm concerned I'll protect myself because I know the police won't. The can either show up after the fact and investigate crimes against me and my family or haul away the dead perp from my house. I'd prefer the latter.

Rudy will never get my vote. If it comes down to bringing the war on terror home or giving up my guns, I say bring the war on. I'm sick of seeing all the burden of this war on our military families' backs anyway.

49 posted on 03/16/2007 6:03:30 AM PDT by Jaxter ("Vivit Post Funera Virtus")
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To: areafiftyone
This article would fall under Points #1 and #3 in the FR post linked below:

A Message to Rudy Giuliani and His Supporters

That is -- A) present completely misleading arguments about a candidate's track record (the comments about abortion and Times Square in particular); and B) take a candidate who is an unabashed liberal on 80% of the issues (and a radical left-wing zealot on many of them) and pretend he is conservative by focusing only on the other 20%.

50 posted on 03/16/2007 6:03:43 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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