Posted on 03/16/2007 5:05:33 AM PDT by areafiftyone
The same Beltway experts who declared Sen. John McCain (R.-Ariz.) the GOP frontrunner, even as he under-polled fellow presidential contender Rudolph W. Giuliani, now parrot equally dodgy concepts. When Republicans meet “the real Rudy,” they will abandon New York’s former mayor like cattle fleeing a burning barn. Then, the wobbly Washington wisdom continues, Giuliani’s three marriages, and his less-than-solidly right-wing views on gays, guns, and gametes will torpedo his buoyant presidential hopes.
These seers now detect unhappiness with the GOP aspirants. They cite a recent Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll in which 26% of Republican primary voters were dissatisfied with Giuliani, McCain, and former Massachusetts governor Willard Mitt Romney, among others. However, 56% called these choices satisfactory. This mirrors the 57%of conservative Republicans who preferred Giuliani, versus 31% for McCain. More broadly, Republicans backed Giuliani 38% to McCain’s 24, former House speaker Newt Gingrich’s 10, Romney’s 8, and 2% each for Kansas Senator Sam Brownback and former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee.
But what if voters like Giuliani better upon understanding his pre-9-11 performance? Educating Republicans on his complete mayoral record -- and soon -- may be Giuliani’s best bet for extinguishing lingering grumbling about his candidacy.
I recently visited Baltimore, Charlotte, Richmond, Salem, Oregon; Seattle, and Johnstown, Pennsylvania, mainly to deliver speeches sponsored by Young America’s Foundation. I conversed with conservative activists, College Republican leaders, university professors, and think-tank scholars, among others.
These Americans vividly remember Giuliani emerging from the ashes of September 11, like a latter-day Churchill rising from the rubble of the London Blitz. However, these involved and informed citizens knew startlingly little about Giuliani’s other mayoral achievements:
"Rudy is the only one beating the Dems."
Says you and the LIBERALS.
Again.
and again.
and again.
and again.
and again.
and again.
But what are you doing to persuade voters of the value of voting for someone further to the Right?
Very few of us hate Rudy. I'm sure he is a fine fellow to go to a Yankees game with. What we HATE is his liberalism, in ALL of its manifestations.
Says you and the LIBERALS.
Again.
and again.
and again.
and again.
and again.
and again.
But what are you doing to persuade voters of the value of voting for someone further to the Right?
"And let me repeat: Conservatives who are attacking Rudy unwittingly are helping the Dems and smoothing the way for a Hillary or Obama presidency, because Rudy is the only one beating the Dems."
How politically ignorant are you? Or do you actually have a clue and are acting ignorant to bolster rudy?
Either way, it's not a good trait.
Sean and deroy are doing their best to "pimp my rino" and polish turds this year.
They can spin all they want, but rudy's own record and statements are the things they fear the most.
Stop being so hypocritical."
Oh, this is rich. Pot, meet kettle.
It IS not Rudy versus Hillary. Neither of them have won jack squat. Both are going to have to FIGHT for the nomination. Fine and dandy, its how the system works.
But for you to sit here and expect that on a very conservative website, that those very conservative members are going to just get on board with Rudy instead of work to dump him, is irrational
Rudy will never get my vote. If it comes down to bringing the war on terror home or giving up my guns, I say bring the war on. I'm sick of seeing all the burden of this war on our military families' backs anyway.
A Message to Rudy Giuliani and His Supporters
That is -- A) present completely misleading arguments about a candidate's track record (the comments about abortion and Times Square in particular); and B) take a candidate who is an unabashed liberal on 80% of the issues (and a radical left-wing zealot on many of them) and pretend he is conservative by focusing only on the other 20%.
If the same article is posted, and it's not locked and pointed to the old article, I think EVERYBODY posts the same stuff to the article, because the same thoughts apply.
Although I hope that my responses the second time reflect a maturation of my thinking based on reading the comments in the first thread.
It's a politically charged atmosphere, and a person who doesn't want Rudy elected can't leave a pro-rudy article unanswered if it is reposted, because people passing by might read the newer version and get one side only of the story, or worse might know about the previous discussion and think the pro-rudy side convinced the anti-rudy side and there is no more opposition.
Seriously, you think it's a good thing to open 3 threads on the same article over a period of two days?
You know, it was a little hard for me to find some articles from yesterday, because there were so many articles posted multiple times. It really doesn't help anybody trying to seriously discuss the race to have these articles multiplying on any candidate, on either side.
Do you really think that Edwards or Obama will be better than Hillary. The Democrats will either nominate Hillary or someone WORSE!
Please... you're (once again) pulling percentages out of your thin air.
Bingo. It's one thing to say: "Well, Rudy certainly does have some liberal positions, but he should be a good CIC, so I'll vote for him if he wins"
It is quite another to latch onto him as THE best man and actively attempt to discourage the GOP from sticking to its platform.
I was "pulling percentages out of the air" when I suggested that Rudy Giuliani was a conservative on no more than 15% of the issues.
The 20% has some validity to it. If you go back through his public record and tally his positions on any number of issues, you'll probably find that he'd garner an ACU rating of no more than 20-25 if he had been a member of Congress.
"most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine."
Rudy G.
How about blaming the pro-Rudy crowd for pushing a candidate the base finds intolerable?
Is Hillary so unstoppable that the only viable candidate is Hillary Lite?
I do not think Hillary will win the nominataion. It will be either Richards or Obama or Algore. Hillary is positively the worst public speaker and debater I've ever seen in my life.
That's not the point. The point is that anyone seeking the nomination is going to have to fight for it, and nothing is settled 11 months from the primaries. The other point is that for you to show such contempt for conservatives, on a conservative website, who do not want a mostly liberal GOP nominee, tells me you are either stupid (which I do not believe) or you are simply a liberal republican who wants to fight to move the party in that direction.
This notion that only Rudy can win, therefore we must support Rudy is utter nonsense. ALL the dems are weak sisters, especially Hillary.
You didn't name the issues, so I have no way of verifying what you tell me. Does it go like this?
War on Terror
Limited Government
Abortion in the third week
Abortion in the fourth week
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Abortion in the 20th week
Embryonic stem cell research
Etc., etc.
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