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"Homosexuality Is Not Hardwired," Dr. Francis S. Collins, Head Of The Human Genome Project
NARTH ^ | March 12, 2007 | Dean Byrd

Posted on 03/16/2007 7:15:39 AM PDT by scripter

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To: Nextrush

He's more likely to anger straights.

" sexual orientation is genetically influenced but not hardwired by DNA"

If sexual orientation is only twenty percent hardwired, then a straight exposed to homosexuality has a one in five chance of going gay! Gay for a day? Well, maybe just once a week...


51 posted on 03/16/2007 8:48:14 AM PDT by gcruse
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To: scripter

if there had been a "gay gene" it would have faded out, since it would not have left any descendents. Then it would have appeared again, and died out, and appeared again, and died out. In fact, it would have appeared and died out one time for each new gay person. So that's a stupid idea.


52 posted on 03/16/2007 8:49:43 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (you see, the only explanation is that leftism is a mental disorder)
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To: scripter

I'm going to email him about it from his 24/7 mail.


53 posted on 03/16/2007 8:49:47 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (To have no voice in the Party that always sides with America's enemies is a badge of honor.)
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To: taxed2death

I disagree.


If it is not a behaviour, what is it?


54 posted on 03/16/2007 8:53:50 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: scripter

In nine years of working in the mental health field, I have met many homosexuals and had an opportunity to ask questions that would not be appropriate in causal conversation. The most significant is "Have you ever been abused in any way?" Granted, I am not dealing with the mentally healthiest segment of the gay population, but in my practice, I have never come across a gay man who was not sexually abused by another gay man at some point during his boyhood or adolescence. If homosexuality were a genetic trait, you would think I would have come across at least one gay man who could honestly say "No, I have never been abused", but I haven't. I gave up believing that homosexuality was genetic a long time ago.


55 posted on 03/16/2007 8:55:00 AM PDT by HoosierGal
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To: scripter

Bookmarked.


56 posted on 03/16/2007 8:55:40 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: scripter

Probably much more complicated than any one single cause.
A certain gene might increase the probability 4 fold, while a certain level of hormone A at just the right time or lobe of the brain may increase probability several fold.

You would need a map of all the different factors and still you will likely only come up with a certain set of probabilities. Not to mention that I suspect the causes are not all physical. As much as the GLBT groups don't want to admit it. There is a virtual statistical certainty that some live a GLBT life by choice.


57 posted on 03/16/2007 8:59:33 AM PDT by The_Repugnant_Conservative
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To: taxed2death
I'm of the opinion we shouldn't encourage the destructive and deadly homosexual lifestyle on children. And pointing out the fact no gay gene exists and that homosexuality isn't hardwired as the head of the Human Genome Project has pointed out is worth my time.
58 posted on 03/16/2007 9:16:34 AM PDT by scripter (Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: HamiltonJay

With regard to "twin studies" ...

There are, I believe, a couple hundred identical twin who were separated at birth. These people have been studied to the point of exhaustion. But, given the low incidence of homosexuality, these twins don't constitute a large enough sample to say anything definitively about genetics versus environment.

Looking at fraternal twins separated at birth is the same thing as looking at siblings separated at birth. You can get a larger, and statistically meaningful sample, using fraternal twins or siblings separated at birth, at the cost, obviously, of inexact genetic matching.

Leaving aside the problems with "separated at birth" studies, studies of fraternal twins/siblings who are separated at birth tell us that genetics influence sexual orientation, but are far from controlling, which means that the results of these studies are rejected out of hand by those insisting, alternately, that homosexuality is either 100% or 0% genetic-based.

The argument that homosexuality is 100% genetic-based is about a lot more than the sinfulness of homosexuality. If homosexuality is less than 100% genetic-based, then gay-adoption is problematic.

To the extent that we influence the adoption decision, we would want children to be raised by both a male and a female role model, preferably (1) their birth-parents, or (2) close relatives such as an aunt or uncle in a traditional marriage (as traditionally was provided by naming such people as the god-parents of your children), or (3) by a non-related couple in a traditional marriage or a single close relative such as an aunt or an uncle.

Only after exhausting the above possibilities, should you consider adoption by a single non-relative to raising the child in a group home with male and female role models provided "by committee."

In terms of the culture war, this is what elections are all about (which is not to diminish the importance of free-market economics and a government with the strength and resolve needed to defend us against criminals and foreign enemies).


59 posted on 03/16/2007 9:16:54 AM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: Jim Noble
Can you concisely explain why this is of any importance?

I think the current and next generation of children are our most important resource. I think they are worth the time it takes to get involved, make a difference and tell the world that nobody is born a homosexual. You want to know the importance of getting the truth out on homosexuality? Think of the current and next generation of children.

The radicals pushing the homosexual agenda have been saying for years homosexuals were born that way. They've been saying for years a gay gene exists. Yet not a single credible scientist supports the gay gene theory nor that anybody is born a homosexual.

No scientific evidence exists to support homosexuality (behavior) is genetic. None. Nada. Goose egg. Zilch.

Yet GLSEN is in government schools pushing the radical homosexual agenda, telling impressionable children that homosexuals are born that way. Sometimes GLSEN will ask children "how do you know you wouldn't like homosexuality if you've never tried it?"

GLSEN encourages homosexual experimentation and from what science tells us, homosexual is one of the most destructive lifestyles to encourage.

60 posted on 03/16/2007 9:17:10 AM PDT by scripter (Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: The_Repugnant_Conservative

"a virtual statistical certainty"

Heh. I'm thinking fake but accurate.


61 posted on 03/16/2007 9:17:33 AM PDT by gcruse
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To: scripter

Don't tell Boortz that.

He loves to make fun of people that object to the sanctification of homosexuality. Just check out his new book.


62 posted on 03/16/2007 9:18:30 AM PDT by sauropod ("An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools." Ernest Hemingway)
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To: scripter

So Barak Obama finds John Edwards cute because . . .


63 posted on 03/16/2007 9:23:28 AM PDT by Tribune7 (A bleeding heart does nothing but ruin the carpet)
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To: Pheatius

Thanks. I've never seen the show but have heard mixed reviews of it.


64 posted on 03/16/2007 9:25:27 AM PDT by scripter (Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: PeterPrinciple

Don't know. Don't care. Don't care to know. Makes no difference in the end.

Can you prove without any doubt it is behaviour?

Even if you could... what difference would it make?


65 posted on 03/16/2007 9:26:15 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: taxed2death

Don't know, don't care............

I would agree that you don't know and don't care and have not spend any intelligent energy on doing so.


66 posted on 03/16/2007 9:33:24 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: Redmen4ever

Gay adoption is problematic period... Recent study from the netherlands basically proved this one, confirmed what all thinking and honest people know.

In the netherlands there is no social stigma to being homosexual, or to children raised by them, yet children raised by such couples were found to be at much higher risk for all sorts of problems.

Even if they could (they can't) but even if they could prove a 100% genetic link to homosexuality, homosexual adoption is dangerous and hazardous to children.


67 posted on 03/16/2007 9:33:51 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: scripter
"I'm of the opinion we shouldn't encourage the destructive and deadly homosexual lifestyle on children."


Me too.

I teach my kids that sticking anything in their rectum is not healthy and more than likely result in severe and long lasting detrimental health issues. I also tell them that it's a free will society and strangely enough there are others out their that do not feel this same way. To each his own. If someone wants to bang their head against the wall until they die, let them. I have no moral obligation to stop them from doing so.

"And pointing out the fact no gay gene exists and that homosexuality isn't hardwired as the head of the Human Genome Project has pointed out is worth my time."



"And pointing out that no gay gene exists......"


And that is where my opinion differs than yours. I say we do not have a definitive answer. There are still too many biological structures ("junk DNA") in the human genome that man can not identify regarding their function. The jury is still out.
68 posted on 03/16/2007 9:36:17 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: HamiltonJay

Thank you, but I don't engage in arguments involving a false premise.

If X (where X is true), then Y. Such a thing can be debated.

If not X (where X is true), then Y. Such a thing cannot be debated.


69 posted on 03/16/2007 9:51:24 AM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: Psycho_Bunny
Some people learn to ACT gay.. Thats just the way it is..
others learn to HIDE IT..
70 posted on 03/16/2007 10:03:56 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole)
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To: taxed2death

This is indeed a complicated and involved issue. Still, the head of the Human Genome Project apparently disagrees with you and has stated homosexuality is not hardwired. Even scientists who are homosexual disagree with you. The major factor, according to credible scientists, is the environment in which children are raised, and that aligns with the growing number of ex-gays.


71 posted on 03/16/2007 10:04:24 AM PDT by scripter (Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: Dixie Yooper

I don't even know what that means.


72 posted on 03/16/2007 10:10:00 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (I'm holding out hope that at least the DEMOCRATS might accidentally nominate a conservative.)
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To: scripter

Laughably untrue.


73 posted on 03/16/2007 10:10:54 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (I'm holding out hope that at least the DEMOCRATS might accidentally nominate a conservative.)
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To: scripter
In fact science, including the posted article, is quite hostile to the born gay argument.

You better go to the dictionary and look up the word "heritable". It means "inherited" which means "born with" - not "acquired". Some people are born funny, some people are born smart, some people are born mean and some people are born queer and this scientist says that "evidence from twin studies does in fact support" that. Granted - he feels that the "predisposition" is what is inherited - but that is exactly what makes people queer - the "predisposition" to be queer. You can change the meaning of his words to mean "hostile to the born gay argument" - but that is not what the man said:

"An area of particularly strong public interest is the genetic basis of homosexuality. Evidence from twin studies does in fact support the conclusion that heritable factors play a role in male homosexuality.

By the way - many of these twin studies were done on twins separated at birth - so the "environmental" argument does not hold water.

74 posted on 03/16/2007 10:18:33 AM PDT by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: Nextrush

Note to self:
1.check trap door
2.tease crocks


75 posted on 03/16/2007 10:20:28 AM PDT by Vaduz (and just think how clean the cities would become again.)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
Laughably untrue.

Then by all means support your statement.

76 posted on 03/16/2007 10:24:49 AM PDT by scripter (Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: Tokra
You better go ...

I'm quite familiar with the subject. I suggest you read my profile to find numerous articles on the subject as it appears you are confused. One article in my profile will help: The Gay Gene? Pay particular attention to the summary.

77 posted on 03/16/2007 10:30:03 AM PDT by scripter (Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: scripter
My point was, why do you care if they are or are not born that way?

In other words, look at the monster who killed that little girl in Florida. He was, no doubt, "born that way".

What difference does that make to what we do with him?.

Alcoholism runs in families. There may be a genetic component.

That does not mean we should allow DUI.

If your view of homosexual behavior is biblical, why does the origin of the behavior matter?

78 posted on 03/16/2007 10:47:21 AM PDT by Jim Noble (But that's why they play the games)
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To: scripter

I think you missed the point. Receiving a squirt of testosterone in your brain during gestation is what tells you you are a male, not a gene. If you do not get this squirt of testosterone in your brain during gestation, you brain develops into a female brain.

Now, while this might clearly explain why some children want to have sex change operations, because they do not think they are of the correct gender, by itself it does not explain why individuals with incorrect brain gender assignment would be homosexuals.

Except in the case of animals that are mammals, they are. All of them. All of the time. Animals act based on their brain gender assignment. What their genitals are means nothing compared to what their brains are.

So why should humans be different? To say so, you have to extrapolate an even stranger psychology, what amounts to "male lesbians"; which would be a gender male, but with a female brain, which is itself homosexual, which is why he is attracted to females. This is crapola.

But back to genes. While a gene does not by itself determines sexual brain assignment, it *can*, most definitely, be the switch as to whether that squirt of testosterone is *correctly* given to males, and not to females.

And the resulting squirt of testosterone is all important.


79 posted on 03/16/2007 10:57:01 AM PDT by Popocatapetl
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To: scripter

Thanks for posting this scripter.


80 posted on 03/16/2007 11:02:33 AM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband (BAY AREA CONSERVATIVES - JOIN US http://community.livejournal.com/sf_conservative/profile)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
I don't even know what that means

It means that people are not born wanting to sex and spend the rest of their life with someone who is the same sex as they are. They are fooled into it by someone who molests them and is doing the Devils work. I assumed you were talking about effeminate personalities in boys and men when you made your comment that I responded to. You can't just get away with saying "that's just the way it is" and not back up the lame point you were trying to make.

81 posted on 03/16/2007 11:14:18 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: scripter

I honestly never understood the fixation on this issue. It's sometimes phrased as 'nature or nurture' in regards to the trait.

Some folks have a lot emotionally invested in the 'nature,' but that always seemed strange and misplaced to me. That something is 'natural' isn't really all that important, nor does it validate anything.

I once had this discussion with a very passionate liberal female lawyer I used to work with. After she went on about the importance of the natural aspect. When she was done, I raised the issue of men, women, and sexual instinct. Specifically, it's perfectly 'natural' for a male to see a female, get an instinctive sexual reaction, chase her down, tackler her to the ground, and force sex upon her.

That's how it works in much of the animal kingdom. That's how primitive humans probably did it. It's perfectly 'natural' but that's not to say it's desirable or good conduct, particularly in a civilized society. She raised the objection that my example didn't factor in the female's consent.

Of course, I reminded her that there's nothing particularly natural about consent, either. While sometimes in nature the female does exhibit a willingness to mate, that's certainly not the exclusive mandate at all. She got very upset at all of this talk, but I reminded her that it was she who raised the importance and significance of 'nature' in these discussions. My personal position is that 'nature' in itself doesn't validate anything, necessarily. She got more upset and left.

Not too bright, that one. Strong self esteem, though.


82 posted on 03/16/2007 11:25:15 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do suck seed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: scripter; taxed2death
Hey scrip

I thought we got all the pro-sodomy cheerleaders zotted two years ago.

Let me know which chromosome holds the "gay" DNA sequence, maybe it's next to the alcoholism genome. Can your pro-sodomy cheerleader show us which sequence either is held?

Let me guess, your pro-sodomy cheerleader has perversionist friends and she's defending their honor? There's a new one for FR...NOT! LOL!!!!
83 posted on 03/16/2007 1:11:26 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (If you don't love Jesus, you can go to hell. )
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To: Jim Noble
My point was, why do you care if they are or are not born that way?

It seems as if you didn't really read my last post to you. I think it's worth my time to point out the facts to help the current and next generation. Nobody is born gay.

84 posted on 03/16/2007 1:12:48 PM PDT by scripter (Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: Popocatapetl

I used to think it wasn't as complicated as it is, but
same-sex attraction is really quite complicated. No one gene is going to cause same-sex attraction. The experts have been saying for years that environment is the major factor. Other minor factors or traits might be considered gifts, if I may.


85 posted on 03/16/2007 1:13:00 PM PDT by scripter (Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: nhoward14; padre35; scripter
Just pray the gay away!

Well said. Brief and yet speaks volumes of Truth.

86 posted on 03/16/2007 1:13:05 PM PDT by Phx_RC (Pray for more holy bishops and priests . . . a bit of supporting action by the laity will be helpful)
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To: I_Love_My_Husband

You are quite welcome. Thanks for bumping it as more and more folks need to read what Dr. Collins has said.


87 posted on 03/16/2007 1:13:54 PM PDT by scripter (Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: Clint N. Suhks
I thought we got all the pro-sodomy cheerleaders zotted two years ago.

Apparently it's a never ending job as some people refuse to recognize what science actually says on the matter.

89 posted on 03/16/2007 1:19:02 PM PDT by scripter (Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: Dixie Yooper

lol


90 posted on 03/16/2007 1:34:06 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (I'm holding out hope that at least the DEMOCRATS might accidentally nominate a conservative.)
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To: HitmanLV

I believe it's the radicals pushing the homosexual agenda that have given the nature part of homosexuality so much time in the spotlight. When you include this misinformation with GLSEN you get children experimenting with homosexual behavior. That's a really bad idea and needs to be exposed for what it is.


91 posted on 03/16/2007 1:37:26 PM PDT by scripter (Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: scripter

I don't need to prove a negative. You're the one who made the absurd claim.


92 posted on 03/16/2007 1:37:50 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (I'm holding out hope that at least the DEMOCRATS might accidentally nominate a conservative.)
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To: scripter
children experimenting with homosexual behavior.

Number one cause behind homosexual child abuse/rape from older peers/adults.

93 posted on 03/16/2007 2:20:12 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (If you don't love Jesus, you can go to hell. )
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To: Psycho_Bunny
I don't need to prove a negative. You're the one who made the absurd claim.

Perhaps you forgot the absurd claim you made in post 16. Here it is:

Some people are born gay. We've all met them. That's just the way it is.
This is the second time I've asked you to support your statement. So go ahead and reference a credible scientist that supports your statement.

The problem is you can't. You know it and I know it, and now everybody knows it.

So what are you going to do next? Run away or post some obfuscation? Those are your only options because there's absolutely no evidence to support your claim.

94 posted on 03/16/2007 2:28:05 PM PDT by scripter (Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: Clint N. Suhks
"I thought we got all the pro-sodomy cheerleaders zotted two years ago.

Let me know which chromosome holds the "gay" DNA sequence, maybe it's next to the alcoholism genome. Can your pro-sodomy cheerleader show us which sequence either is held?

Let me guess, your pro-sodomy cheerleader has perversionist friends and she's defending their honor? There's a new one for FR...NOT! LOL!!!!"


If you were actually able to understand my posts.....you would see that I don't really care one way or another. I'd just prefer that my tax money not be used to fund such a pointless study. If you like to sodomize people that is your prerogative. Have at it.
95 posted on 03/16/2007 2:38:18 PM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: Dixie Yooper; Psycho_Bunny
You can't just get away with saying "that's just the way it is" and not back up the lame point you were trying to make.

That's only true for those interested in honest discussion. When someone like Psycho_Bunny makes pro-gay statements they don't expect to be asked to support their statements.

What I really love about FreeRepublic is they take a no-nonsense approach to conservative issues. It must really suck to be Psycho_Bunny and have their pro-gay arguments trashed over and over, all the while looking foolish posting lol as their only response.

96 posted on 03/16/2007 2:42:01 PM PDT by scripter (Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: taxed2death; Clint N. Suhks
Hey Clint, it's always interesting how those who don't care one way or the other can always be found pushing pro-gay ideas.

The head of the Human Genome Project says "Homosexuality is not hardwired." In further reading the article one would quickly realize environment is key.

It will be interesting to hear what the radicals pushing the homosexual agenda have to say in regards to Dr. Collins' statements.

97 posted on 03/16/2007 2:49:57 PM PDT by scripter (Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: newzjunkey

I agree with you. Attraction is chemical and theirs lots of science on that.


98 posted on 03/16/2007 2:54:51 PM PDT by ShandaLear (Perfect People Need Support, too.)
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To: The_Repugnant_Conservative
There is a virtual statistical certainty that some live a GLBT life by choice.

Indeed. I finally found what I was looking for: Queer By Choice. Some admit to choosing the gay lifestyle...

99 posted on 03/16/2007 2:55:09 PM PDT by scripter (Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: scripter

Dude...my point is this... I'd rather whom ever is studying this gay stuff spend my tax dollars on something like heart disease...diabetes or something that actually matters in the grand scheme of things. My "position" based on what I've read is that these scientists don't know enough about this stuff to form any concrete conclusions....and if they did know.... who the hell cares. If you are young kid and dumb / gullible enough to be "talked into" liking other dudes... you've apparently got some wiring messed up somewhere in the old noggin. Having said that the older person should be arrested for some sort of sexual crime.


100 posted on 03/16/2007 2:58:45 PM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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