Texas resident says 'God told him' to kill 75-year-old Soviet émigré

The Star Ledger ^ | Friday, March 16, 2007 | RICK HEPP AND ROBERT SCHWANEBERG

[CJ-50]

Believing he was doing God's will, a Texas man early yesterday picked up a rock and fatally beat a 75-year-old former Soviet dissident and prison camp survivor who had stopped by a New Jersey Turnpike service area for refreshments, State Police said.

[Brilliant]

They don't have the death penalty in NJ, do they?

[GSlob]

My hazy recollection is that they do, but I am not sure.

[VeritatisSplendor]

It's on the books, but no one in NJ has been put to death since the law was enacted after Gregg v. Georgia.

Besides, the killer is obviously insane - a Christian gone off the deep end.

Mrs VS

[billybudd]

What's there to say? This guy should be executed.

[arderkrag]

Let me know if the "God made me do it" defense works for this guy, there are a few people I know who need to meet a rock face-first.

Seriously, though, it is sad. Especially since this guy was a Soviet dissenter. Of course, that means the MSM probably won't cover this story since they love to prop up communist thug leaders.

[cornelis]

I hope this doesn't lead you to commit any fallacy.

This blip is set up perfectly for one: for an inductive fallacy: Inductive Fallacy

Premise 1: Having just arrived in Ohio, I saw a white squirrel.
Conclusion: All Ohio Squirrels are white.

[PetroniusMaximus]

"extreme example perhaps but pretty much the attitude of all protestants toward orthodox Christians."

You're kidding right?

I mean, come on.

[kawaii]

In an Internet profile on MySpace.com, White wrote he became devout after praying to God for "wisdom and understanding"

Here we see why not every shmoe who 'prays for guidance and reads scripture' is suddenly on par with scholars as to the true meaning of scripture.

[The Blitherer]

extreme example perhaps but pretty much the attitude of all protestants toward orthodox Christians.

Excuse me?!?

You should be ashamed of yourself.

[kawaii]

the reaction is identical; just the subsequent actions differ.

protestants who 'missionize' in the FSU routinely try to convince orthodox Christians that they are non-Christians why? Because protestants beleive themselves 'chosen by God'.

[kawaii]

this guy fought athiest communists AND fascists his whole life only to be killed by some moron protestant who " became devout after praying to God for "wisdom and understanding".

*I* should be ashamed?

The crazies who pound this nonsense into peoples heads ought be.

[The Blitherer]

The crazies who pound this nonsense into peoples heads ought be.

I agree with that.

I also think you should be ashamed of yourself for lumping "all protestants" in with this man.

[decimon]

Corzine's fault for allowing big rocks in New Jersey.

[PetroniusMaximus]

"the reaction is identical; just the subsequent actions differ."

That is simply not true. You are basically saying that all Protestants are murderous at heart. That's just plain delusional.


"protestants who 'missionize' in the FSU routinely try to convince orthodox Christians that they are non-Christians why?"

Protestants also "missionize" other Protestants because salvation is not by association with some group (Protestant, Catholic, Orthodox or other) but via a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. It is entirely possible to be "religious" or "Christian" but to not know Christ.


"Because protestants believe themselves 'chosen by God'."

No. Because they want other to know God and want to give them every chance to do so. How can you find fault with that ?

[kawaii]

ok how about if i only lump protestant 'missionaries' who travel to devote orthodox nations at attempt to proselytize them in with this guy? (granted they don't kill people they just convince them to sign away their life's possessions and abanonded their families on their deathbed so that young protestant 'real christians' can receive them instead)

Rom 15:20 Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man's foundation:


Rom 15:21 But as it is written, To whom he was not spoken of, they shall see: and they that have not heard shall understand.

[Nathan Zachary]

Which God, the Islamic god or the Christian God, or one of the dozens of Hindu gods?

Can't trust media at all these days.

[kawaii]

That is simply not true. You are basically saying that all Protestants are murderous at heart. That's just plain delusional.

No I am saying they beleive that non protestants aren't real Christians and beleive as such them to be worthless if they fail to succumb to protestants' temptations.

[kawaii]

Protestants also "missionize" other Protestants because salvation is not by association with some group (Protestant, Catholic, Orthodox or other) but via a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. It is entirely possible to be "religious" or "Christian" but to not know Christ.

Rom 15:20 Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man's foundation:

Rom 15:21 But as it is written, To whom he was not spoken of, they shall see: and they that have not heard shall understand.

[Nathan Zachary]

He also said that he believed his new hip-hop CD, "The Book of Brian," contains secrets "straight from God" and would be "part of the next century Bible.

His mother said he was a "Christian". -Of his own making it seems.

[Brilliant]

He was also a lifelong "human rights activist," Burnside said.





Well, there you go. The victim would not have wanted the perp to be executed anyway.

[DouglasKC]

Besides, the killer is obviously insane - a Christian gone off the deep end.

Not a Christian, but a deceived individual doing Satans will.

[Nathan Zachary]

"No I am saying they beleive that non protestants aren't real Christians and beleive as such them to be worthless if they fail to succumb to protestants' temptations."

Pure nonsense; -and no, I'm not a "protestant"

[kawaii]

Which is the universal protestant confession. I read and so must have uniquely been blessed by the Holy Spirit therefore I am a 'real Christain'.

[DogBarkTree]

This is very disturbing. for more info see: http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/112-03162007-1315318.html "MOUNT LAUREL — A 75-year-old former Soviet political prisoner was beaten to death early yesterday morning after he refused to purchase religious CDs from his suspected killer outside a New Jersey Turnpike rest stop, state police said." What the hell is this creep smiling at. Sounds like anothe islamorat showing his true colors.

[kawaii]

then explain why protestant missionaries prosleytize Christians?

[Just another Joe]

extreme example perhaps but pretty much the attitude of all protestants toward orthodox Christians.

Painting with a pretty broad brush there, aren't you?

I'v read your other posts on this thread and it seems that you have a bone to pick with missionaries, not with all protestants.

Even so, if you thought that without your evangilizing, someone would go to he!!, wouldn't you say something?
There is a difference between trying to save and trying to kill.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Your posts on this thread most closely resemble the mindset of the killer in this story.

You should be ashamed of yourself and the disgrace you're bringing to the forum.

Repent.

[cornelis]

What do Marx, Nietzsche, Freud, and Weber have in common? From what I'm reading this morning, "they all have the common concern to uncover values as masks for interest, conflict, and instinct. . . So we hear of ideology as determined by class and situation; of culture as the superstructure of the relations of production; of the ethical justification of action as a rationalization of desires and interest; and of the spirit as the sublimation of instinct.

Room for Feuerbach?

Journalists?

Hit and run posters?

Maybe he was Jewish!

[PAR35]

Not all othodox - just the ones like you who are unfamiliar with truth.

[Nathan Zachary]

"It is entirely possible to be "religious" or "Christian" but to not know Christ."

Religious, like a hindu maybe, but not "Christian". A Christian is a follower of Christ. Period.

[kawaii]

it certainly seems identical to the attitude of all protestants who hypocritically argue for scripture but ignore the parts they don't like. (for instance head covering and no women preachers).

I am quite sure that the poor Russian who was murdered by this guy let the guy know he was a Christian and had no need to listen to any CDs.

It irks protestants that there's actual Christians out there that dont need a singing club or reading group to know Christ.

[drpix]

Kawaii: "extreme example perhaps but pretty much the attitude of all protestants toward orthodox Christians."

This whacked out attitude to "all" Protestants is a lot closer to the attitude of the killer than the attitude toward Orthodox Christians that I've heard or read.

Your thought process seems straight out of Democratic Underground. Are you sure you're on the right website?

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

Which God, the Islamic god or the Christian God, or one of the dozens of Hindu gods?

Can't trust media at all these days.

Which god told him to kill the guy? Don't know. But clearly the guy considered himself a Christian,or at least his mother did...

But White's mother, Laverne Cavitt, doubted her son could have killed another.

"He's a Christian guy. He made lots of Christian CDs. My son has never been involved in anything," Cavitt told the Associated Press, her voice trailing off into sobs.

[kawaii]

go tell that to my grandfather in law who's forced to live with his nice after 'baptists' convinced his mother on her death bed to give everything she owned to the baptist church and to forget about her family so that 20-something 'good baptists' could live in her abode instead.

[Nathan Zachary]

"then explain why protestant missionaries prosleytize Christians?"

For the same reasons Anglicans, Baptists etc. do, to increase membership in their church.

[Sloth]

You're an idiot.

[JB in Whitefish]

...it's


INSTANT CRUSADE SYNDROME.....!!!

[Dr. Eckleburg]

"The Life of Brian" is the "universal protestant confession."???

You've spent too much time losing debates on the religion forum. Step away from the computer. Take a deep breath. Relax.

Everything's going to be alright. No one is trying to hurt you. We like you.

Relax.

Relax.

[drpix]

Sorry to echo your post. Yours wasn't posted when I started my reply... but I guess I typed too slowly.

[Nathan Zachary]

""Because protestants believe themselves 'chosen by God'."

Do you have a clue who Martin Luther was?

[kawaii]

one minute protestants are refusing head covering (1 Coritnhians 11), and promoting women preachers (violating 1 Corinthians 14, which mentions both are the commandments of God), the next they're suggesting that non-protestants are worthy of death. (ignoring other commandments).

once you start tossing out scripture to justify whatever you feel like there's no end to it.

[kawaii]

An angry German Catholic priest? (Who tried to throw out more of the Bible than he managed to btw).

[Dr. Eckleburg]

We obviously had the same thought at the same time. No surprise there. 8~)

[kawaii]

Everything's going to be alright. No one is trying to hurt you. We like you.

Again tell that to my grandfather in law. He lives on a 15 dollar a month pension, and the most valuable inheritance he had was given to a single 'good baptist' instead of to his family. Why? Because 'Christians' conned his mother out of it on her deathbed.

Its important to look at missionaries as it shows how protestants act when social boundries don't keep them in check.

[AlbionGirl]

Kramer and Mr. Costanza:

Serenity now...

[Nathan Zachary]

Head covering?

1:11. For it hath been signified unto me, my brethren, of you, by them that are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.
Significatum est enim mihi de vobis fratres mei ab his qui sunt Chloes quia contentiones inter vos sunt

Woman preachers?

1:14. I give God thanks, that I baptized none of you but Crispus and Caius:
Gratias ago Deo quod neminem vestrum baptizavi nisi Crispum et Gaium

1:15. Lest any should say that you were baptized in my name.
Ne quis dicat quod in nomine meo baptizati sitis

[drpix]

So you believe that all those who disagree with you on scriptures have "pretty much the attitude" toward you of a crazed killer. I suggest that you seek help with your problem OR go hide on the Democratic Underground where you can feel normal.

[kawaii]

you sure youre not a protestant, you have the protestant habit of preaching out of context. st paul said 289 words about headcovering alone. protestants tell us its 'non applicable' (same as this guy tells us thou shall not murder is non-applicable).

try posting them all.