Posted on 03/17/2007 7:32:42 AM PDT by amchugh
The only links Head is providing are second hand "they could have been doing this" and "as soon as they saw me from the helicopter they turned away"( snort like they can know that was the reason).
"Something was hanging from the helicopter" (spot light maybe?) turns into the government was gonna burn them out! Its all the same rumour crap that spreads through a community after any event.
Gritz is a nut, he says 'from my experience as a soldier so and so must have reacted this or that way and got caught in cross fire." Real solid there, almost like eye witness, more like remote viewing, but you seem to buy anything.
It bothers me that even if Weaver would have shot one of the Feds first he'd still be a hero to most here, when actually he was just another loser conspiracy theorist searching for an identity and found it in Idaho with he Aryan Nation.
Thank you for the correction.
RE: "you seem to buy anything"
Hey! I represent that!
The only links Head is providing are second hand "they could have been doing this"
You say that, but in those links are quotes and transcripts from the trial itself, quoted by the people you call "second hand"...but wait, Gritz was there and he is (irrespective of whatever else you may say) in these areas recognized as someone with the experience to tell the difference in the types of wounds and the entire "ambush" scenarios, so he is not second hand or coming at this as some kind of novice off the street. Notice, he did get the family out of there alive with no further bloodshed, and his contentions were used successfully by the defense at the trial. So, with Gritz, you're back to defaming and slandering him about other things to try and make your point.
Pretty weak.
So, simply stated, your accusation does not hold...but even then, you follow up that accusation against me (even though not valid), with this...
It bothers me that even if Weaver would have shot one of the Feds first he'd still be a hero to most here
Hrrrummphh!...seems like a little bit of a double standard to me. What you, yourself put forward in that sentence is a HUGE "what if" (what you had just tried to slam me for linking to others), and it is one that is refuted absolutley by the facts. Weaver did not shoot a Fed or anyone else on that hill top...AT ALL, not first, second, or otherwise.
'nuf said.
BTW, just out of interest. From the way you refer to me in your posts...and rom the many years now that I have been around here...you sound an awful lot like a former Freeper. Are you a retread? I may be completely wrong on that...but was just interested.
From Freedom to Slavery, by Gerry Spence
Written by Randy Weaver's defense attorney, the second chapter of the paperback edition is one of the best accounts of what happened at Ruby Ridge. With Gerry Spence's permission, it is reproduced here.
http://www.ruby-ridge.com/gspence.htm
if weaver had been a member of the nation of islam....
If, by "no tax paying" you mean he didn't pay income tax, you're probably right.
But that's irrelevant.
He was dirt-poor (which is why he accepted the job of cutting-down the shotgun - for a few bucks he desperately needed), had a wife and several kids. In those circumstances, he owed no income tax.
Jeff I cant agree with your assessment of Gritz' credibility. His judgement alone is questionable just based on his history of aligning with extremists of every creed.
He talks a fine talk, yet surrounds himself with haters, paranoid militants, racists, and religious zealots. I cant see him being considered anything but nutty. Ruby Ridge seems to be some sort of Woodstock for some people. Something to relive and roll around in like "those were the days". Its hindsight but I see it as an real ugly view of both sides of the story.
Whats your affiliation with these types? You believe in the the ZOG? Christian Identity? Where are you coming from.
Randy Weaver is my first cousin,our dads were
brothers...even though I do not share his politics, I do
know he was not as radical as the media made him out to be.
If you have not gotten the facts straight after this
long,it really does not matter. Everyone has their opinion
on this tragic event. Sometimes paranoia is
justified...Simply because I am his cousin,I wonder if I am
in some dossier in a little corner of some overzealous
government law enforcement agent..In the 70's I broke a few
laws. Who knows? kellyw
You signed up for that? Funny your sign up date shows to be one day after your first post.
Yes, I thought of that when I read your reply to AnnGora.
Just thought I'd drop by and say that.
Have a pleasant day.
L
I wasn't really picking your comments out for scrutiny...
just adding a little input to a discussion about someone I
know personally, and not just as a news story. Sorry, if I
did not want get into some big typewritten online argument.
kellyw.
Totally agree with your assessment.....
My grandfather was KKK in Louisiana. He hated all kinds of people and thought it was the norm because thats the kind of people he hung out with and lived around. Remind you of anywhere?
I don't think that's quite what Jesus had in mind when he said "Let the little children come unto me."
Then let everyone know who did it, publish the private email, and have the offender BANNED.
Such behaviour does not belong on FR!
Actually I did and nothing happened.
Just as the disputes between the pro-Weaver and pro-govt types on this thread have proved, talk is cheap.
Or, as Ronald Reagan said, "Trust, but verify."
Cheers!
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