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U.K.: The 250,000 families with a spy in the bins (Test of trash cans that weigh your garbage)
The Daily Mail (U.K.) ^ | March 16, 2007 | STEVE DOUGHTY

Posted on 03/17/2007 10:41:20 AM PDT by Stoat

The 250,000 families with a spy in the bins

By STEVE DOUGHTY - More by this author » Last updated at 22:33pm on 16th March 2007

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The Government has paid for the chips to be installed in three areas of Northern Ireland, now regularly used as a testing ground for Labour's plans for the rest of the country.

Tories warned that the chips will be used for the first tests of a tax on bins. The chips are used to weigh bins so that householders can be charged by how much rubbish they throw out.

A number of councils in England have ordered wheelie bins fitted with chips and some have put them out for use. But no rubbish tax can go ahead in England without legislation to allow councils to collect the money.

Northern Ireland, however, has been used as a proving ground for ideas as it is ruled from London and plans can be put into practice by ministerial decree.

Ministers and local council chiefs have called for a pay-asyou-throw rubbish tax, which would mean bills of £10 a week or more for a family. Town halls say they would cut council taxes if a rubbish tax were brought in.

Northern Ireland minister David Cairns confirmed that £140,000 had been given to Newtownabbey, North Down and Craigavon councils to install microchips in their bins.

All three councils run the fortnightly rubbish collection and recycling systems that have proved highly controversial in England, attracting complaints about rat infestations, health threats and fly-tipping.

Craigavon and North Down councils would not admit yesterday that they were in readiness for a pay-as-you-throw tax.

A spokesman for Craigavon said the chips could weigh bins, but there was no plan to bring in a tax. North Down said the chips were to measure the frequency with which bins were put out.

But Tory local government spokesman Eric Pickles said: "Northern Ireland is being used by Labour as a pilot for sinister microchips to be installed in every bin in Britain.

"Such taxes will damage the local environment by causing a surge in fly-tipping and backyard burning in local neighbourhoods.

"Combined with cuts to the frequency of collections, I fear bin taxes are dangerous and will put public health at serious risk."

He added: "No one believes that Gordon Brown would cut council taxes if top-up charges were introduced. Indeed, such a tax will cost a fortune to implement and administer, with households inevitably being left with an even bigger tax bill as a result."

The English town halls' body, the Local Government Association, called for rubbish taxes earlier this year, saying that families should pay for the amount they throw out to encourage them to reduce levels of waste.

If the Treasury were to pay for chips across the country at the same rate of subsidy as the three Northern Ireland councils have received, the extra cost to the taxpayer would be £35million.

• Householders who lose their weekly rubbish collections must endure invasion by insects and vermin, a Government report warned yesterday.

They will suffer worse living conditions and "annoyance" together with smells that may make them feel sick, it said. But ministers said the drive to cut back on rubbish collections would go on in the name of combating climate change.

Environment Minister Ben Bradshaw said: "Recycling is a vital part of our battle against climate change - the equivalent of taking three and a half million cars off our roads."

The report from the Department of Environment, Food and Rural Affairs found no evidence that fortnightly rubbish collections are a danger to health, but said they led to "significant" increases in insects and vermin, and worse smells, as well as more complaints from residents.

The report said people should wash their bins regularly; "reduce moisture in waste containers"; wrap food waste; keep bins out of the sun; and put newspaper in the bottom to soak up liquid.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: bigbrother; bigbruv; england; garbage; greatbritain; ireland; northernireland; spies; taxes; trash; uk; unitedkingdom; wheeliebins
I can't wait until plans are implemented to require special, new, and breathtakingly expensive toilets that will weigh your sewage and charge you accordingly.

Please be sure to look at the Comments area for this Daily Mail story.  Many of them are just priceless, and most people seem so angry they appear nearly apoplectic.

Watch the American Left point to this plan as a 'necessary environmental reform' that they will want to implement here.

1 posted on 03/17/2007 10:41:26 AM PDT by Stoat
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To: Stoat

I think I would be more concerned about the volume of trash and not the weight.


2 posted on 03/17/2007 10:43:50 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: Stoat

It then should follow that it is now a serious crime to dump trash into someone else's trashbin. Could you imagine neighbors sneaking off to the end of the block to dump some extra trash into their neighbor's cans?

This is getting retarded folks.


3 posted on 03/17/2007 10:44:55 AM PDT by rom (Dateline lied, trucks died!)
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To: rom
It then should follow that it is now a serious crime to dump trash into someone else's trashbin. Could you imagine neighbors sneaking off to the end of the block to dump some extra trash into their neighbor's cans?

This is getting retarded folks.

According to the readers' comments at the Daily Mail site, this is already happening

4 posted on 03/17/2007 10:46:48 AM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

Or you could just bribe the garbage man.

Damn, things in the UK just get screwier and screwier.


5 posted on 03/17/2007 10:48:15 AM PDT by NYRepublican72
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From the article:

But Tory local government spokesman Eric Pickles said: "Northern Ireland is being used by Labour as a pilot for sinister microchips to be installed in every bin in Britain.

"Such taxes will damage the local environment by causing a surge in fly-tipping and backyard burning in local neighbourhoods.

"Combined with cuts to the frequency of collections, I fear bin taxes are dangerous and will put public health at serious risk."

7 posted on 03/17/2007 10:57:32 AM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat
All three councils run the fortnightly rubbish collection and recycling systems that have proved highly controversial in England, attracting complaints about rat infestations, health threats and fly-tipping.

As for the latter, I would only tip them if they gave exceptional service.

Funny how there is "English" and "English".

8 posted on 03/17/2007 11:13:12 AM PDT by Gorzaloon (Global Warming: A New Kind Of Scientology for the Rest Of Us.)
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To: NYRepublican72
Or you could just bribe the garbage man.

I'm guessing that part of the reason for going with microchips is to preclude and circumvent any losses to traditional forms of graft.

The Government wants ALL of the graft dollars, not just a portion.

Surgically-implanted GPS transponders tracked by satellite will be next, so that people who walk more will be taxed more to defray the costs of sidewalk wear and maintenance.

9 posted on 03/17/2007 11:14:00 AM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

I'd love to see that happen here just so EVERYONE could disable their chips in protest and show what we think of all this intrusion...

Stun guns do a marvelous job of killing chips with their 50,000+ volts...

Although pricier you could manufacture a high powered RF device to kill the chips...

or somehow reprogram the chips to show only xx lbs. of garbage no matter what is actually in the can ,,,, heck ! I'd manufacture and sell said chips...


10 posted on 03/17/2007 11:14:36 AM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: Neidermeyer
heck ! I'd manufacture and sell said chips...

eBay has a thriving UK site full of people eager to save money   :-)

11 posted on 03/17/2007 11:16:54 AM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Gorzaloon
All three councils run the fortnightly rubbish collection and recycling systems that have proved highly controversial in England, attracting complaints about rat infestations, health threats and fly-tipping.

As for the latter, I would only tip them if they gave exceptional service.

Funny how there is "English" and "English".

hehe!  What is the phrase?  "A culture separated by a common language"    :-)

12 posted on 03/17/2007 11:18:39 AM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat
Thanks for posting, I'm glad to see that stupid local government is not limited to Jolly Old England.


Flytipping in the country. Local and private bins, etc, etc. England and the USofA - two countries separated by a common language.
13 posted on 03/17/2007 11:22:13 AM PDT by ASOC ("Once humans are exposed to excellence, mere average desirability is disappointing")
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To: Stoat

We don't have trash pick up, we take our trash to the dump, do our own recycling at the same place and the weigh the car going in and coming out. They pay us for our recycling of aluminum cans and we pay for the difference in weight of the vehicle entering and leaving the dump, with a minimus charge of $5.00 per trip. It just makes sense to pay by the weight.


14 posted on 03/17/2007 11:23:52 AM PDT by Eva
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To: ASOC

But what the heck is fly tipping? This is the second article I have see with this term. Me I would put the trash in the bin at work.


15 posted on 03/17/2007 11:25:46 AM PDT by doodad
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To: Stoat

That's stupid. People will do what they do around here - take the trash to the local store dumpster or just toss it out in the wilderness.


16 posted on 03/17/2007 11:26:54 AM PDT by meyer (Bring back the Contract with America and you'll bring back the Republican majority.)
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To: ASOC
Thanks for posting,

You're quite welcome and I'm delighted that you find the article worthwhile.  :-0

I'm glad to see that stupid local government is not limited to Jolly Old England.

Socialist and "Big Brother" intrusiveness is often seen first in the UK before the American Left tries to force it down our throats over here.

England and the USofA - two countries separated by a common language.

That was the phrase I was searching for, thank you.  :-)

17 posted on 03/17/2007 11:27:44 AM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: rom

My neighbors do that to me all the time ... even though there is an overflow bin provided for that purpose.

Why? The overflow bin is farther for them to walk than my trash can.


18 posted on 03/17/2007 11:29:00 AM PDT by Let's Roll ("...given the choice between war and dishonor, you chose dishonor - you will have war"- W.Churchill)
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To: ASOC

One major question - what is "fly-tipping"?


19 posted on 03/17/2007 11:29:30 AM PDT by meyer (Bring back the Contract with America and you'll bring back the Republican majority.)
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To: Stoat

Similar thing is happening in my town in New Hampshire.

Starting in July, each household will be allowed only one trashcan. Everything you want collected must fit into that one trashcan.

If you absolutely need another one, you have to pay $75 for it.

Meanwhile, my town taxes will still be going up for "services."


20 posted on 03/17/2007 11:31:51 AM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (L'Chaim!)
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To: LibFreeOrDie
Similar thing is happening in my town in New Hampshire.

Starting in July, each household will be allowed only one trashcan. Everything you want collected must fit into that one trashcan.

If you absolutely need another one, you have to pay $75 for it.

Meanwhile, my town taxes will still be going up for "services."

It's already gone beyond that point here in the People's Republic of Seattle.  We are also limited to one bin and recycling is REQUIRED.  If they discover that you haven't separated your recyclables and haven't placed them in the two or three other special bins you are subject to a stiff fine.

21 posted on 03/17/2007 11:41:35 AM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: meyer
That's stupid. People will do what they do around here - take the trash to the local store dumpster or just toss it out in the wilderness.

That's one of the reasons for the opposition to this plan....there is a fear that it will increase rural littering and become a severe public health threat.

22 posted on 03/17/2007 11:44:12 AM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Eva
We don't have trash pick up, we take our trash to the dump, do our own recycling at the same place and the weigh the car going in and coming out. They pay us for our recycling of aluminum cans and we pay for the difference in weight of the vehicle entering and leaving the dump, with a minimus charge of $5.00 per trip. It just makes sense to pay by the weight.

We have the option of doing that as well, but I don't think it's possible, here in the People's Republic of Seattle, to completely opt out of the home trash collection fees.  And taking a load of trash to the dump in Seattle is a whole lot more expensive that $5.00

It's different when it's a required, regular fee such as the way the article relates the matter in the UK.  There is great concern that it will only increase illegal dumping and cause a great public health risk.

23 posted on 03/17/2007 11:49:31 AM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: meyer
One major question - what is "fly-tipping"?

Illegal Dumping.

24 posted on 03/17/2007 11:59:51 AM PDT by Malsua
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To: Stoat

We also burn a lot of our trash, unless there is a burn ban in effect. If you burn it regularly and don't build too big a fire, you don't have to pull a permit. It would not be cost effective to burn, if you had to pay a $50.00 fee for a permit.


25 posted on 03/17/2007 12:02:38 PM PDT by Eva
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To: meyer

"One major question - what is "fly-tipping"?

A fun sport, where there are no cows to tip.


26 posted on 03/17/2007 12:02:46 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: meyer

LOL

I assume based on context, it is what we in America would call 'dumping' - when I lived in Las Vegas years ago (we left for good in 91) the desert around town, esp out by the base, was full of old TVs, washing machines, etc that folks had to pay the dump to take - so they just drove to the edge of town and dumped it.

Not all was lost, we would take our local Cub Den ut and scavange parts from the TVs to make crystal radios.


27 posted on 03/17/2007 12:08:51 PM PDT by ASOC ("Once humans are exposed to excellence, mere average desirability is disappointing")
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To: Stoat
The newest tax scheme will be on mens pleasure rods based on the length and girth and womens pleasure mounds by the circumference, enterabilityand natural lubrication (no coal-based lubrication=less tax).

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28 posted on 03/17/2007 12:17:50 PM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: Stoat

Coming soon! Complete confiscation of all property and giving you back just what you need. Now, Why did we fight the cold war against Communism?


29 posted on 03/17/2007 12:20:03 PM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (Nobles Oblige, BS, Well take care of it ourselves!)
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To: Eva
"We also burn a lot of our trash"

Our house still has an incinerator in the basement left over from the fifties. So far, our township in Pa. has a "you put it by the road, we take it away" collection policy.
30 posted on 03/17/2007 12:23:08 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: Born to Conserve

When my family first lived in PA, we had separate garbage and trash removal. The township picked up the trash and the pig farmer picked up the garbage. I don't remember how long that lasted. I think the pig farmer was eventually forced out of business in the fifties. I was too young to remember.


31 posted on 03/17/2007 12:27:06 PM PDT by Eva
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To: A Strict Constructionist

I've often seen the list of the Communist plans from 1963 or whatever, and how many of them have been accomplished. I'm now going to take a look at the Declaration of Independence and see how many of those items have been UNdone.


32 posted on 03/17/2007 12:27:44 PM PDT by P.O.E.
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To: Stoat
The report said people should wash their bins regularly; "reduce moisture in waste containers"; wrap food waste; keep bins out of the sun; and put newspaper in the bottom to soak up liquid.

How does soaking up liquid make the container lighter?

The writers of this trash (pun intended) are so techno-stupid that they neglect to answer the obvious questions.
How accurate are these "chips"?
If a homeowner puts out an empty bin, but has taped 4 bricks to the underside of the container, will he be charged for the "heavy air"?

33 posted on 03/17/2007 1:36:17 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Stoat; Colosis; Black Line; Cucullain; SomeguyfromIreland; Youngblood; Fergal; Cian; col kurz; ...

Substitute Ireland ping!


34 posted on 03/17/2007 1:53:09 PM PDT by Tax-chick (John Edwards is a gamma male. "Yeah, buddy, that's his own hair!")
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To: Stoat

My Brit in-laws are already upset about the EEU's dictates concerning child car seat and the shape of BANANAS!!! for crying out loud. So they're getting hammered from foreigners telling them how to run their lives AND their own government. It's just a matter of time before that kind of tyranny reaches our shores. In fact it's already started as most recycling is a severe waste of time and energy.


35 posted on 03/17/2007 1:57:24 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: Publius6961
How does soaking up liquid make the container lighter?

The writers of this trash (pun intended) are so techno-stupid that they neglect to answer the obvious questions.
How accurate are these "chips"?
If a homeowner puts out an empty bin, but has taped 4 bricks to the underside of the container, will he be charged for the "heavy air"?

Several of the posters shown in the Comments area of the Daily Mail article are similarly thunderstruck by the numerous elements of profound ineptitude and illogic which permeate this plan.

It seems to be nothing more than a manufactured 'problem' which was brought into being exclusively for the purpose of confiscating more hard-earned monies from our British (and Irish) Friends..

Any logistical or implementational problems made apparent during this test will undoubtedly be corrected for the 'final rollout" ( I stopped myself before I called it a "final solution".... a bit over the top, even for me) particularly if they get in the way of any billing issues.

The final trash-taxing plan will then be set in stone until the end of Time, or until our Friends Across the Pond get so fed up that they start massive rioting.  Honest and hardworking people can only take so much abuse before there's a backlash.

36 posted on 03/17/2007 2:00:37 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Tax-chick
Substitute Ireland ping!

Thank you very much for pinging the Ireland list; it's sincerely appreciated   :-)

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37 posted on 03/17/2007 2:11:49 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

You're welcome!


38 posted on 03/17/2007 2:14:40 PM PDT by Tax-chick (John Edwards is a gamma male. "Yeah, buddy, that's his own hair!")
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To: Stoat

The same leftists who cry crocodile tears about "the Bush administration tearing away our sacred Constitutional freedoms" are the socialists who demand total wealth redistribution, which would result in a surveillance regime far more severe than anything in the Patriot Act.


39 posted on 03/17/2007 3:04:06 PM PDT by denydenydeny ("We have always been, we are, and I hope that we always shall be detested in France"--Wellington)
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To: doodad; meyer

fly-tipping is simply dumping your rubbish/trash by the side of the road. 'Tip' equates exactly to the US 'dump'.


41 posted on 03/17/2007 4:53:42 PM PDT by slane
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To: Stoat

Microchips in wheelie bins...if this weren't in a news article I would have a hard time believing it. The UK should take the funds they are wasting on this nonsense and spend it on the health care system, which is falling apart...apparently they literally have money to throw away.


42 posted on 03/17/2007 5:06:11 PM PDT by slane
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To: P.O.E.

One step back two steps forward. It seems to work every time. Except now we don't take any steps back. UNdo the UN from the USA.


43 posted on 03/17/2007 8:49:44 PM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (Nobles Oblige, BS, Well take care of it ourselves!)
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To: Stoat
The Government has paid for the chips to be installed in three areas of Northern Ireland

Yeah, they tested Diplock courts and surveillance cameras in Northern Ireland before introducing or trying to introduce them on the "mainland."

I'm familiar with cow-tipping; fly-tipping seems rather poor sport in comparison.

44 posted on 03/17/2007 10:56:41 PM PDT by jordan8
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To: Stoat

A little battery acid applied to the location of the computer chip might have interesting effect.


45 posted on 03/18/2007 12:20:57 AM PDT by Chewbacca (I reject your reality and substitute my own.)
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To: Neidermeyer

"Stun guns do a marvelous job of killing chips with their 50,000+ volts... "



You bought the wimpy stun gun. Mine does 500,000 volts and I can wear it in my shirt pocket.


46 posted on 03/18/2007 12:22:52 AM PDT by Chewbacca (I reject your reality and substitute my own.)
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To: Stoat

The UK is just insane. The people there will let their overlords just do flat anything to them. San Francisco looks like Texas by comparison.


47 posted on 03/18/2007 12:26:00 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: Stoat
When I think of our young men laying dead in Flanders and Normandy so that the people they saved could reduce themselves to this idiocy I get sick to my stomach.
48 posted on 03/18/2007 12:51:06 AM PDT by BigCinBigD
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To: meyer

Fly-tipping is tipping anywhere other than on a tip. Usually by rivers, side of road etc.


49 posted on 03/18/2007 1:41:47 AM PDT by vimto (Life is not a dry run.)
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To: A Strict Constructionist

Amen to that. Not likely though, but it's worth a try.


50 posted on 03/19/2007 2:12:25 PM PDT by P.O.E.
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