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NASA's Griffin Says China May Reach Moon Before US
aero-news.net ^ | Sat, 17 Mar '07

Posted on 03/17/2007 11:43:10 AM PDT by Names Ash Housewares

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To: Names Ash Housewares

Rewriting history?


21 posted on 03/17/2007 12:09:40 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: Gorzaloon

Hey guys, first place only counts if you do something with it. The Chinese discovered gunpowder, used it for fireworks and probably wished they had done a bit more applications work by the time of the Boxer Rebellion.

We should have colonies up there, Americans should be launching deep space with an electro-mag rail gun, tourists should be flying with strap-on wings in low gravity atriums. Does anybody read Heinlien anymore?

The Chinese are ambitious if nothing else. First, second, nevermind. Whoever DOES something with it first will be remembered. That's why Columbus Day is a holiday and Lief Erickson is an historical footnote.


22 posted on 03/17/2007 12:12:56 PM PDT by barkeep (Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc)
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To: Names Ash Housewares
Current projections indicate NASA won't make it back there until 2019... at the earliest.

Someone please tell me, why in the world would we be wasting money on such an endeavor?

23 posted on 03/17/2007 12:16:12 PM PDT by lainie ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C. S. Lewis)
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To: Moonman62
IIRC, we got there almost 40 years ago.

Yup, and all the guys that got us there are either in their graves, or across the hall from my nana at the nursing home.

24 posted on 03/17/2007 12:16:56 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: barkeep

"Whoever DOES something with it first will be remembered. That's why Columbus Day is a holiday and Lief Erickson is an historical footnote."

Bingo and BTTT!


25 posted on 03/17/2007 12:18:08 PM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

China will probably beat NASA to the moon by five years. They would have no intent of claiming the moon or allowing a Chinese business to claim any part of the moon since they just used the Treaty to deny the claims of the Lunar Embassy.


26 posted on 03/17/2007 12:20:19 PM PDT by RightWhale (300 miles north of Big Wild Life)
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To: Moonman62

Exactly...."other than the fact THAT WE'VE ALREADY BEEN THERE FREAKING DONE THAT!"

sheesh!!!!! Now they're going to BEAT US? What is worng with the freaking language these days? Does anything mean ANYTHING anymore?


27 posted on 03/17/2007 12:20:38 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Moonman62

True, China is 40 years behind the USA, but so is the USA.


28 posted on 03/17/2007 12:21:05 PM PDT by RightWhale (300 miles north of Big Wild Life)
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To: lainie
Someone please tell me, why in the world would we be wasting money on such an endeavor?

Think of it like writing a book...you sit down with a story in mind, but often, if you're good, you wind up producing brilliant literature that you never would have even conceived of if you hadn't sat down to write the book in the first place.

29 posted on 03/17/2007 12:24:05 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: lainie
Someone please tell me, why in the world would we be wasting money on such an endeavor?

I agree. Repeal the Treaty and let private business develop outer space resources.

30 posted on 03/17/2007 12:24:29 PM PDT by RightWhale (300 miles north of Big Wild Life)
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To: sam_paine
Does anything mean ANYTHING anymore?

. . . Hmmm. Trying to think of something. Can we get back to you?

31 posted on 03/17/2007 12:27:20 PM PDT by RightWhale (300 miles north of Big Wild Life)
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To: barkeep; Frank_Discussion; Moonman62
Whoever DOES something with it first will be remembered.

Oh FGS!

Other than SOLID STATE COMPUTERS and ICBMs and anti-missile diefense and the ABL and GPS and the farthest flung deep space probes that will ever be sent sub-lightspeed.....yeah, the USA pretty much will never be remembered for anything in space.

The chinese, though, after launching a couple of spam-in-the-can 1963-type shots, oh, they own space, right?

I predict that a willy nilly advance to the moon by the chinese will result in some of the first lunar graves. I'll bet you dollars to eggrolls.

32 posted on 03/17/2007 12:28:33 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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33 posted on 03/17/2007 12:31:17 PM PDT by mikrofon (No tickey, no launchy)
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To: RightWhale

How do you figure the US is 40 years behind the US?

If someone explained the current manufacturing going into the carbon-fiber 787 in 1975 they'd haul them off to jail for disclosing military secrets!

Let's review, cursory, the Chinese aerospace talent:

Commercial Aircraft---not a gd single one! Buys lots of Boeing.

Fighters- knocking off some russian disasters. J-9 this!

"Anti Sat" technology - consists of launching another satellite in an identical orbit and letting them run into each other. Uh. If you can launch a single satellite, then you can demonstrate "asat" capability...duh.

Manned program - Wheeeee! Three spam-in-a-can-shots! Right?

But you're right, compared to China...yeah....we're no more advanced than we were in 1967.


34 posted on 03/17/2007 12:35:17 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

ben there...done that.


35 posted on 03/17/2007 12:35:41 PM PDT by Ikemeister
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To: sam_paine
The chinese, though, after launching a couple of spam-in-the-can 1963-type shots, oh, they own space, right?

So far the Chinese have been relying on hardware purchased from Russia. They're going to find it difficult to purchase off the shelf parts to get them to the Moon.

36 posted on 03/17/2007 12:37:17 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: sam_paine; Jeff Head

Do not underestimate China.


37 posted on 03/17/2007 12:37:56 PM PDT by RightWhale (300 miles north of Big Wild Life)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Your trade deficit dollars at work.


38 posted on 03/17/2007 12:38:37 PM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: RightWhale; Jeff Head
Do not underestimate China.

Do not underestimate USSR. They have the missile advantage remember?

I don't underestimate any country....but I -did- overestimate China's hi-tech industry in 2004 when I thought I'd better go work over there for a while and see where my job was going to end up.

After 4 months of working there, and after 15 years of working with them vs. Turkey and Poland, the Chinese had very much better watch their asses. They may have you spooked, but they're even more vulnerable than Ahmafoolamybad.

39 posted on 03/17/2007 12:41:40 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Names Ash Housewares
Unless NASA gets its house in order and allows private industry to take over after they have done their development and engineering then we will be slipping to last place if China wants to move toward going to the moon and mars.

NASA slipped into the bureaucratic hole of government some 15 to 20 years ago and has been falling deeper in ever since. If we were to try and go to the moon today or put the first man in space as we did in the 1960s, in my humble opinion, it would be impossible.

The great engineers and scientist at NASA retired and we now have many, many non-engineers and others who have made the bureaucracy more important than the research and design of Space vehicles.
But just my opinion of course.
40 posted on 03/17/2007 12:43:31 PM PDT by YOUGOTIT (56 Supporters of al Qaeda are seated in the US Senate)
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