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Weekend Show *Preview* for 3/17 - 3/18/07 (not the live thread)
Network and Cable News Networks | 3/17/07 | Network and Cable News

Posted on 03/17/2007 3:31:58 PM PDT by Phsstpok

Preview and Analysis for Weekend of March 17th and 18th, 2007

Guest lineup for the Sunday TV news shows:

NBC's "Meet the Press"
  • Senator Charles Schumer, D-N.Y.
  • Rep. Joe Sestak, D-Pa.
  • Former Rep. Tom Andrews, D-Maine
  • Former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas
  • Richard Perle, fellow at the American Enterprise Institute

CBS's "Face the Nation"

  • Defense Secretary Robert Gates
  • Senator Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif.

"Fox News Sunday"

  • Former U.S. attorney Bud Cummins of Arkansas
  • Former U.S. attorney David Iglesias of New Mexico
  • Senator Arlen Specter, R-Pa.
  • Senator John Kerry, D-Mass.
  • Alyssa Mastromonaco, campaign aide to Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill.
CNN "Late Edition"
  • National security adviser Stephen Hadley
  • Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa.
  • Former national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski
  • Retired Army Gen. George Joulwan
  • Michael Gordon,  the New York Times
  • Retired Army Col. Patrick Lang

ABC's "This Week"

  • Senator Patrick Leahy, D-Vt.
  • Senator John Cornyn, R-Texas
  • National security adviser Stephen Hadley
  • Actor Sam Waterston

Also, Politico.COM has put together a Sunday Talk Show Tip Sheet

Last week was all about the Walter Reed "scandal."  They got a pretty good couple of days out of that, but by Sunday enough actual facts were coming out that the story was losing steam.  Bob Dole's appointment to the panel, along with several injured vets from the current conflict, and Dole's appearances on the Sunday shows he did also went a long way to put a stake through the heart of that media firestorm.  But I wouldn't be a bit surprised to hear Abu Ghraib compared to Walter Reed at least once this week.  The DBM won't back down on their "conclusions," (that "everyone" accepts as true) but they also won't push them as heavily.

Like last week when discussing Iraq there will be as little said about the surge as possible.  Certainly a consensus that it's working won't be allowed to emerge.  Far from it.  In fact the emphasis this week will be on the four year anniversary of the start of the war and of the "huge cost" of this "misadventure."  Watch for all of the shows to highlight all of the conventional wisdom about the "mistakes" and "lies" that are the foundation of their narrative.  With the likes of Kerry, Leahy, Murtha, Brzezinski and the rest of the "back to the sixties" crowd being trotted out you know that we are going to be treated to the tired old rhetoric of of the so called "peace" movement.  Hopefully The Gathering of Eagles will be a big enough success that they can't ignore it and still report on the sad collection of Stalinists and Jihadis protesting misbehaving in Washington today.

The third prong of the DBM/Dhimmicrat attack plan for this weekend, and the one where they think they have the most chance of "scoring," is the faux scandal over the US Attorney firings.  They have scored all of the points they are likely to with the firings themselves.  It's going to be dangerous for them to actually trot out some of these folks.  Note, for example, that John McKay, the US Attorney from Oregon who refused to investigate the massive vote fraud in the Dhimmicrat victory in the governors race in 2004.  Iglesias is likely guilty of the same thing, but his criminal conduct may be a more easily obscured.  Plus, criticizing him can be cast as racist and anti-Hispanic.  A twofer.  But the emphasis will be on the "cover up" of the process, not the propriety of the firings themselves.  They'll start with the premise that the firings were illegitimate and not allow any questioning of that "established fact," while pushing the notion that Gonzalez "lied to Congress" in his testimony.  They want to establish an aura of inevitability of Gonzalez' resignation and then stoke suspicions about Karl Rove and even the President being "damaged."  Howard Dean telegraphed their end game with his comment that "this could be George Bush's Watergate."  The nutroots want Bush impeached and the next two years will be nothing but the Dhimmicrat's attempts to manufacture grounds for doing just that.  This is just the latest step in that campaign.

On to the shows.

NBC Meet The Press says that it's all about the four year anniversary, with anti-war "activist" Tony Andrews and CAIR's favorite ex-Admiral in the House of Representatives, Joe Sestak, for the moonbat left and Tom DeLy and Richard Perle for the evil neo-con cabal.  The choice of DeLay and Perle, two prominent Republicans with potential legal liability brought about by partisan political prosecutions, the assumed "guilty until proven innocent" on the part of the DBM will be a cloud hovering over the set.  "Are you now or have you ever been a conservative?"  The left is looking to get a little of their own back.  Look for Henry Waxman to start talking about incriminating video tapes hidden in hollowed out pumpkins.  They've already managed to blacklist DeLay and keep him from getting a job with CNN and they've delegitimized as a News organization unfit to attend and report on their events (along with the Christian Broadcasting Network and Washington Times reporters).  They are mad with hate and don't give a damn about the consequences of their actions, so long as they kill some conservatives along the way.  Note: MTP has added Chuckie Schumer as a last minute guest to bolster the direct attacks on the administration over "Attorneygate."  I guess they were feeling left out of the this weeks "buzz" and Chucky just couldn't let a weekend go by...

CBS Face The Nation brings on Robert Gates for his first appearance as Secretary of Defense.  The questions for him on Iraq won't be about the surge and Bob Schieffer will probably never mention the word "success" once.  Instead he will asked to account for all of the mistakes and for the scandalous treatment and suffering of injured vets at that torture chamber called Walter Reed.  Diane Feinstein is on to give the compassionate, peace loving Dhimmicrat's position on all of the evil that McChimpy Bushitler has wrote on our poor troops by actually sending them to a... horrors... war.  Somehow I doubt the hundreds of millions in defense contracts her "war profiteer" husband's firms have landed (thanks to her intervention?) will come up.  Since DiFi has just had to ask the President to declare the fruit growing areas of California a disaster area due to record breaking cold temperatures, I don't expect her to repeat any of her wild claims from a few weeks ago about global warming.  But it's still Bush's fault.

Fox News Sunday offers two of the fired attorneys a likely uncritical platform to air their version of the story.  Somehow I doubt they'll be confessing to obstructing justice by refusing to prosecute "friendly" politicians, both Dhimmicrat and Republican, over vote fraud.  Then Snarlin' Arlen Specter and that paragon of virtue, Jon F'n Carry, have their chances to condemn McChimpy Bushitler.  Chris Wallace must really want to host a Dhimmicrat debate.  We do, at least, have the "normal" panel, so we can hope for a smack down like in the good old days.  Given some of the comments the last few weeks I think even Juan has been missing some of that recently.

CNN Late Edition has the usual "cast of thousands," headlined by Okinawa Jack Murtha and Zbiggy Brzezinski, of Jimmy Carter's foreign policy brain trust.  They leaven this mix with minor players such as Stephen Hadley, retired military personel (and Bush critics) Joulwan and Lang.  Somehow they allow Michael Gordon, the NY Times military reporter who strayed off the reservation in the last few weeks, actually daring to say that he wants us to win in Iraq!  Heresy!  Perhaps he's on to begin his rehabilitation after having a "come to Jesus" meeting with Pinch.  Or maybe it was a "come to Pinch" meeting.  Wrapping up this lovely little package are Snakehead and Jabba Crowley facing off with Human Events' Terry Jeffrey.  I expect Carville to be in full on attack dog mode to silence Jeffrey giving the floor to Crowley as the "reasonable one."

ABC This Week lines up Leahy solo against John Cornyn on the US Attorney's and has Stephen Hadley representing the White House on foreign policy.  An ABC News show seemingly stacked on the Republican's side?  But what's this?  Cornyn and Leahy are allies on forcing the administration to release any and all documents in time of war in a bill they are co-sponsoring expanding the Freedom of Information act?  And they both seem to want to revise the Patriot Act to better protect the rights of potentially abused Americans citizens persons (pedophiles and terrorists are people too!).  This is Hadley's second go around for the day, but somehow I don't think anyone will be listening to anything he says, and he certainly won't be producing any sound bites that get lots of airplay.  At least he hopes not, because if he does it's because he messed up and said something critical of the President.

The Saturday Shows are predictable.  The Beltway Boys repeat the weeks conventional wisdom on Iraq and Gonzalez, but at least throw in a little bit on March Madness basketball.  I can't wait to here who they're pulling for </NOT>.  On CNBC's Tim Russert Show Lil Timmah's guest pushing a book this week is Ralph Nader.  This is likely not going to be a wholly friendly interview, particularly if Ralph makes noises about getting in the 2008 race.  Fox News Watch continues to ignore the gross partisanship and fraud in their profession and instead provide a platform for moonbats Jane and Neal to attack their blood enemies, the Republicans.  The Journal Editorial Report takes a look at what's really going on with the US Attorney's imbroglio, which will likely be sober and informative.  Therefore no one will hear anything about it outside of those stalwarts who can brave the obscene hour this show airs.  They also appear to be the only show talking about KSM's admissions this week.  Everyone else must have decided that Rosie O'Donnell has spoken on the subject therefore there's nothing more that needs to be said.  And she was firmly on KSM's side.  I wonder if the folks on JER will talk about the obscene one?

I know that the world is an imperfect place but I am increasingly worried about the extremes on the left.  They are tottering on the edge of full blown madness (and straying beyond it in too many cases).  The things that seemingly sane people say and actually seem to believe about the world today and particularly about the President are truly frightening.  I think the "scandal du jour" mindset has taken hold to such an extent that if they don't somehow bring down Bush and Cheney that they will drive a large portion of their "base" to acts of violence and there's no telling who will be made to pay for that bit of madness.  The Dhimmicrats and the DBM have been promising "bread and circuses," with a finale of the heads of Bush and Cheney of pikes.  But all they've been delivering is the message to "let them eat cake."

"Things fall apart, the center will not hold," wrote Yeats in his apocalyptic poem The Second Coming.  I look for imagery like this to become very popular and for nihilism and anarchist sentiments to be thrust to the forefront of leftist politics.  "Burn it down" will once again be the motto and we may return to the "days of rage."  Hey, everything old is new again, and John Kerry and Jane Fonda are once again at the forefront of a "movement."  Fortunately we have more people whose eyes are open and how know the score.  The Gathering of Eagles today proves that.

We live in interesting times.

This should be cross posted to my blog at Wizards.townhall.com later today. This post exists primarily as a heads up for who is on the weekend talks shows, what they've been invited on to push (based on their recent pronouncements) and the spin (meme) the DBM is likely trying to push based on that information. All of this is prep work for the weekly Sunday Morning Talk Show thread posted by Alas Babylon!. That thread provides a live commentary and analysis of the Sunday talking head shows, with valuable insight and exceptional fact checking. we are the Jedi Council of FreeRepublic, at least in regards to these DBM gabfests. You wanna know what was said and what it meant, as well as where they messed up? Read that thread!

Mark Kilmer has posted his excellent preview of the Sunday shows over at Redstate.COM.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: gonzalez; guests; iraq; sundaytalkshows
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Saturday Shows for March 17, 2007

Below are the topics and guests announced for these programs, along with my take on the "memes" that the shows are trying to push.  With each guest's name are a series of links that I found in a web search that helped me get a handle on who they are and what their likely positions will be when they are interviewed.

The Beltway Boys (Mort Kondrake, Fred Barnes)

CNBC's Tim Russert Show (Tim Russert)

Fox News Watch (Eric Burns)

Journal Editorial Report (Paul Gigot) - FNC show page


1 posted on 03/17/2007 3:32:05 PM PDT by Phsstpok
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NBC Meet The Press (Tim Russert)

Below are the topics and guests announced for this program, along with my take on the "memes" that the show is trying to push.  With each guest's name are a series of links that I found in a web search that helped me get a handle on who they are and what their likely positions will be when they are interviewed.


2 posted on 03/17/2007 3:32:42 PM PDT by Phsstpok (Often wrong, but never in doubt)
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CBS Face The Nation (Bob Schieffer)

Below are the topics and guests announced for this program, along with my take on the "memes" that the show is trying to push.  With each guest's name are a series of links that I found in a web search that helped me get a handle on who they are and what their likely positions will be when they are interviewed.


3 posted on 03/17/2007 3:33:25 PM PDT by Phsstpok (Often wrong, but never in doubt)
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Fox News Sunday (Chris Wallace)

Below are the topics and guests announced for this program, along with my take on the "memes" that the show is trying to push.  With each guest's name are a series of links that I found in a web search that helped me get a handle on who they are and what their likely positions will be when they are interviewed.


4 posted on 03/17/2007 3:34:13 PM PDT by Phsstpok (Often wrong, but never in doubt)
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Fox News Sunday (Chris Wallace)

Below are the topics and guests announced for this program, along with my take on the "memes" that the show is trying to push.  With each guest's name are a series of links that I found in a web search that helped me get a handle on who they are and what their likely positions will be when they are interviewed.


5 posted on 03/17/2007 3:35:07 PM PDT by Phsstpok (Often wrong, but never in doubt)
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CNN Late Edition (Wolf Blitzer)

Below are the topics and guests announced for this program, along with my take on the "memes" that the show is trying to push.  With each guest's name are a series of links that I found in a web search that helped me get a handle on who they are and what their likely positions will be when they are interviewed.


6 posted on 03/17/2007 3:35:46 PM PDT by Phsstpok (Often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: Phsstpok

Aha! There you are.

Good to see you. Hope all is well.


7 posted on 03/17/2007 3:38:09 PM PDT by Bahbah (Regev, Goldwasser & Shalit, we are praying for you.)
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ABC This Week (George Stephanopoulos)

Below are the topics and guests announced for this program, along with my take on the "memes" that the show is trying to push.  With each guest's name are a series of links that I found in a web search that helped me get a handle on who they are and what their likely positions will be when they are interviewed.


8 posted on 03/17/2007 3:40:07 PM PDT by Phsstpok (Often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: A.Hun; Bahbah; Txsleuth; MNJohnnie; eeevil conservative; Alas Babylon!; Seattle Conservative; ...
Ping

The Weekend Talk Show Preview Thread is up

It has been posted at FreeRepublic at

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1802516/posts

It will also be cross posted (sometime soon) to my blog at

http://wizards.townhall.com/

Here's a sample of  my usual witty more sober than usual commentary...

Like last week when discussing Iraq there will be as little said about the surge as possible.  Certainly a consensus that it's working won't be allowed to emerge.  Far from it.  In fact the emphasis this week will be on the four year anniversary of the start of the war and of the "huge cost" of this "misadventure."  Watch for all of the shows to highlight all of the conventional wisdom about the "mistakes" and "lies" that are the foundation of their narrative.  With the likes of Kerry, Leahy, Murtha, Brzezinski and the rest of the "back to the sixties" crowd being trotted out you know that we are going to be treated to the tired old rhetoric of of the so called "peace" movement.

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I know that the world is an imperfect place but I am increasingly worried about the extremes on the left.  They are tottering on the edge of full blown madness (and straying beyond it in too many cases).  The things that seemingly sane people say and actually seem to believe about the world today and particularly about the President are truly frightening.  I think the "scandal du jour" mindset has taken hold to such an extent that if they don't somehow bring down Bush and Cheney that they will drive a large portion of their "base" to acts of violence and there's no telling who will be made to pay for that bit of madness.  The Dhimmicrats and the DBM have been promising "bread and circuses," with a finale of the heads of Bush and Cheney of pikes.  But all they've been delivering is the message to "let them eat cake."


I went to my surgeon today and he "opened up" the scar on the graft in my eye a "little bit."  You know that whole thing about a "beam in your eye?"  Well, I think I now fully understand the difference between a speck and a beam in my eye.  Sorry to be so late in posting, both this and the awards for last weeks Sunday thread.  Once I get this going I'll finish that up, but I probably won't be participating much the rest of today or tomorrow (famous last words).

9 posted on 03/17/2007 3:47:02 PM PDT by Phsstpok (Often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: Phsstpok

Wishing it was a gleam rather than a beam. Pulling for you.

Maybe this will give you a moment of merriment. Neal Gabler just likened Fox to Air America in explaining why the dems bailed out of their debate.

Brit Hume...Al Franken...not even on the same planet.


10 posted on 03/17/2007 3:56:10 PM PDT by Bahbah (Regev, Goldwasser & Shalit, we are praying for you.)
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To: Phsstpok

Thanks, Phsstpok, hope you're able to chime in tomorrow.


11 posted on 03/17/2007 4:02:42 PM PDT by altura
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To: Bahbah

I heard that. Air America itself is trying to make that comparison. They have offered to host a Republican debate.

These people are hate filled lunatics.


12 posted on 03/17/2007 4:11:14 PM PDT by Phsstpok (Often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: Phsstpok; rodguy911

Thanks, again, for the heads up. Not sure how much I'll be on tomorrow or today. Darn it, having to work. Rats.

The one item I would like to mention is this. All the questions about terrorism and supporting the troops are scripted by GOP candidates.

I want to know this. WILL the candidate enforce the laws on the books now? WILL he prosecute Democrat wrongdoing? WILL he resolve the Jefferson of LA debacle? WILL he hold Democrats, as well as Republicans for that matter, accountable for their actions and responsible for what they do? I have not commented on Gonzalez as Attorney General but the performance of that whole department sucks.

Frankly, I'm sick and tired of the left pulling stunts and NEVER having to pay a price for their duplicity. I don't care if Chuck Schumer screams bloody murder, I would love to see a non-partisan investigation into what he knows, does and supports. Then, damn-it, make it public. President Bush has the power but lacks the resolve to fight THIS war of political ideals and philosophy.

(Okay, I'll go quietly to my room now.....)



13 posted on 03/17/2007 4:26:06 PM PDT by Morgan in Denver
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To: Phsstpok

There really are two Americas.

I just wish I knew how many actually want to live in the dems socialist one. I don't know what the numbers are. They are loud though.


14 posted on 03/17/2007 5:05:20 PM PDT by Bahbah (Regev, Goldwasser & Shalit, we are praying for you.)
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To: Bahbah

Governs picked up on Gabler's nonsense.

His post is here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1802575/posts?page=3


15 posted on 03/17/2007 5:46:56 PM PDT by Bahbah (Regev, Goldwasser & Shalit, we are praying for you.)
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To: Phsstpok
They are tottering on the edge of full blown madness (and straying beyond it in too many cases). The things that seemingly sane people say and actually seem to believe about the world today and particularly about the President are truly frightening. I think the "scandal du jour" mindset has taken hold to such an extent that if they don't somehow bring down Bush and Cheney that they will drive a large portion of their "base" to acts of violence and there's no telling who will be made to pay for that bit of madness.

Agreed. Thanks for the ping, and hope that eye heals up good and quick.

16 posted on 03/17/2007 6:05:56 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (I am PRO-VICTORY!!)
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To: Phsstpok

I haven't read the whole wonderful amount of links you have posted....but, I have to say two things.

1. It seems the shows aren't even attempting to pretend to have any "fair and balanced" representation anymore, does it??

2. I am so sorry to hear about your eye experience today. I sure wish you weren't in such discomfort...because you are such a wonderful asset to the Sunday thread.

Okay...I will now go back and start over.

Thanks for the pre-view.


17 posted on 03/17/2007 6:56:19 PM PDT by Txsleuth (I don't know who I am voting for yet...just window shopping.)
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To: Morgan in Denver

Sorry you have to work tomorrow....we will miss you.

I am sorry to say that your feelings about Pres. Bush showed up quite a bit on FR this last week. I must admit to disgust with AB and his weaniness.

Now..to be fair, Pres. Bush was out of the country last week...and it seems that is usually when the dems try to bring out their attacks.

I posted on a thread with a LOT of angry freepers that are my FRiends, that as frustrated and angry as I get about Pres. Bush's lack of fighting back, and criticising the the critics..

I think he sees his "job" as the POTUS in a way that doesn't afford himself the luxury of getting into verbal back and forths with the Dems, MSM and even his own party.

One thing that has been interesting to me this week is the various opinions from "conservatives" about whether Bush should fire AG or ask him to resign or keep him on.

There are good arguments for both sides...but, since we ALL know that Bush's real critics only REALLY want he and Cheney to be impeached, imprisoned and/or dead....I don't think it really matters in the long run politically whether AG stays or goes.

I think the Dems will use it to blast him, and call for further hearings regardless of what he does also.

IOW...NOTHING that happens for the good or for the bad will harm Pres. Bush's standing in the MSM or the left...it can't get any worse.

Now...as for his own party...I think they have already run from him and written him off...

Noteworthy among the latest is Tom Delay in his new book, and now a contributor at Politico.com, which I consider just barely right of Daily Kos...

It is a rough time for we Bush fans....

It would be a lot easier if there was a GOP candidate to get behind, to keep my emotions from affecting my interest in the 2008 race. Right now..that hasn't happened.

Sorry this is so long, MID....I figure since you won't be here tomorrow...I would unload on you in one post!!!

And Happy St. Patrick's Day to you and Mrs. MID!!!


18 posted on 03/17/2007 7:29:04 PM PDT by Txsleuth (I don't know who I am voting for yet...just window shopping.)
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To: STARWISE; Howlin; Bahbah; Mo1; Morgan in Denver

Joe DiGenova was on the WSJ show...

He said that the US Attorney scandal is ALL about politics, nothing "illegal"..which we all pretty much knew.

However, when asked, he wasn't sure that Alberto Gonzalez or Paul McNulty will be "effective" anymore, because they won't have the "confidence" a POTUS needs in an AG.

The woman on the panel was very harsh...using the word incompetence a few times regarding AG...

DiGenova DID say that what is going to happen now is that the DEMS will look into EVERY US attorney's cases, and will investigate if there is any evidence of impropriety on the White House's part in any of their cases.

IOW..there will be subpoenas and hearings FOREVER..just due to Al Gonzalez' "clumsy" handling of this matter...instead of just telling the the Dems and MSM to stuff it.

Also, it was mentioned that Harriet Miers actually had the "best" suggestion...she wanted all of the US Attorneys to be sent letters requesting their resignations...and then the Justice Dept would go through the letters to see which ones they would "accept" instead of singling out just these few...

Who knows....like I posted to MID...I don't know that any of the above matters...BDS doesn't need a reason.


19 posted on 03/17/2007 8:25:19 PM PDT by Txsleuth (I don't know who I am voting for yet...just window shopping.)
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To: Txsleuth

Ohlord .. like I said, 18 mos. of this?

Well... we knew they'd do it ... and they look so warped and idiotic .. making fools of themselves. I pray folks will start to wake up and demand THEY SHUT UP.


20 posted on 03/17/2007 10:14:36 PM PDT by STARWISE (They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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