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Boy Scout Missing in Rugged N.C. Park
AP via Washington Times ^ | 3/18/7

Posted on 03/18/2007 2:40:41 PM PDT by SmithL

TRAPHILL, N.C. (AP) -- Search teams combed mountain terrain Sunday for a 12-year-old Boy Scout who disappeared during an outing.

About 10 scouts and the adult leaders of Troop 230, from Greensboro, noticed that Michael Auberry was missing between 12:30 p.m. and 1 p.m. Saturday in Stone Mountain State Park, officials said.

The troop had gone on a hike earlier Saturday, and the boy and an adult stayed behind, said David Bauer, a ranger with the Blue Ridge Parkway. It was not immediately clear why they stayed behind.

After the troop returned and ate lunch with Michael and the adult, the troop noticed the boy was missing from camp. Searchers found part of his mess kit less than a mile away late Saturday,

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(An earlier version of this story incorrectly implied the missing Boy Scout went out on a hike with his troop. He stayed behind at the camp with an adult leader.)
1 posted on 03/18/2007 2:40:47 PM PDT by SmithL
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I hate reading stories like this one. I hope he's OK.

He is twelve, so he should have some outdoor skills, but I am concerned that he would wander off without a buddy. And I am even more concerned that one boy would stay behind with one adult. They should all know better.


2 posted on 03/18/2007 2:44:36 PM PDT by SmithL (si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: SmithL
"a ranger with the Blue Ridge Parkway. It was not immediately clear why they stayed behind."

It shouldn't take more than a minute to get the answer to that quesiton.

3 posted on 03/18/2007 2:44:45 PM PDT by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: SmithL
Stayed behind with ONE adult leader?

Somebody's got some 'splaining to do. That violates BSA's two-deep leadership requirements for adults. Add that to the newspaper statement (if true) that is was not clear why the Scout and adult (apparently not the Scout's father) stayed behind and how the Scout disappeared with only two people in camp?

All that said, let's pray they find him soon.

4 posted on 03/18/2007 2:45:56 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred.)
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To: SmithL
" I am even more concerned that one boy would stay behind with one adult. They should all know better."

why?

5 posted on 03/18/2007 2:46:27 PM PDT by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: Scoutmaster
>Stayed behind with ONE adult leader? Somebody's got some 'splaining to do. ...
"After the troop returned and ate lunch with Michael and the adult, the troop noticed the boy was missing from camp..."

The man and the boy
were both there when they returned.
It hardly matters

why the two had stayed . . .
(Unless they did something that
made the boy ashamed . . .)

6 posted on 03/18/2007 2:50:11 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: SmithL

'Waterboard' the adult that stayed with him. You'll find him pronto.


7 posted on 03/18/2007 2:51:07 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: SmithL

I thought scouting rules are that no adult is to be alone with a scout.


8 posted on 03/18/2007 2:51:42 PM PDT by fso301
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To: fso301

Well, praying they find the boy safe.


9 posted on 03/18/2007 2:56:12 PM PDT by Twinkie (Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God . . .)
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To: fso301

See #4


10 posted on 03/18/2007 2:57:33 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! If you are military please sign at: http://appealforcourage.org)
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To: Halls

Another missing kid article


11 posted on 03/18/2007 2:58:09 PM PDT by DvdMom (Impeach Nifong -)
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To: DvdMom

I see, so sad and I hope the outcome is good!


12 posted on 03/18/2007 3:00:09 PM PDT by Halls (check out my profile and it will explain everything!)
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To: SmithL

Prayers up. Arms out to the family.


13 posted on 03/18/2007 3:01:03 PM PDT by proudmilitarymrs (It's not immigration, it's an invasion!)
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To: SmithL

Prayers that he be found quickly.


14 posted on 03/18/2007 3:09:50 PM PDT by BlessedBeGod (Benedict XVI = Terminator IV)
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To: spunkets; theFIRMbss; Scoutmaster
"I am even more concerned that one boy would stay behind with one adult. They should all know better."
why?

As the Scoutmaster pointed out, adult leaders are NEVER allowed to be one-on-one with a boy who isn't their own son. It's a rule that we get taught at mandatory Youth Protection Training. The boys get their own training, so they also know not to be alone with an adult. It provides for protection for the boys from predators as well as provides protection for the adults from false charges.

15 posted on 03/18/2007 3:18:16 PM PDT by SmithL (si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: fso301
That's correct. The BSA Guide To Safe Scouting states that there is to be "No one on one contact". All scout leaders must be "Youth Protection" trained.
16 posted on 03/18/2007 3:23:38 PM PDT by DigitalVideoDude (It's amazing what you can accomplish when you don't care who gets the credit. -Ronald Reagan)
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To: Scoutmaster
"That violates BSA's two-deep leadership requirements for adults."

No it does not. These excursions are to be no less than 4 members. In the event of a problem, as is obvious happened here, one group of one adult and one scout can stay behind.

The boy walked off by himself after the rest of the crew came back. They were all having lunch when the boy walked off. They found his mess kit less than a mile away. That's not a walk to the potty. It's extremely unlikely the adult did anything, since it was probably something about the kid that caused the stay behind in the first place. If he wasn't sick, which it's likely he was, then there was a problem with peer harassment. That's the most likely scenario, not anything an adult did. He may have even been grabbed by a stranger during a walk to the kybo.

I really don't, and never will understand this irrational suspicion, that every adult is a closet child molester, and the over kill involved. What do they do with merit badge counselors, require 2 adults, and video taping?

17 posted on 03/18/2007 3:28:02 PM PDT by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: SmithL

I've seen the rule violated only once and it was due to a medical emergency. 3 adults were on an outing with a group of scouts. One of the boys had a medical emergency that required emergency room treatment. The choice was 2 leaders to take the boy to the hospital or one to do it and 2 remain with the scouts. One leader transported him to the hospital. There was really no good solution.


18 posted on 03/18/2007 3:29:16 PM PDT by DeFault User
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To: devolve

ping


19 posted on 03/18/2007 3:32:32 PM PDT by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: SmithL

I hope he is well dressed for the cold and has good survival skills. It's been freezing in this region last couple of days especially with the wind.


20 posted on 03/18/2007 3:36:27 PM PDT by KoRn (FRED THOMPSON FOR PRESIDENT!)
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To: SmithL; Constitution Day; Alia

Oh, dear. Twelve is old enough to know better, but young enough to forget everything he's been taught.

(NC ping)


21 posted on 03/18/2007 3:38:02 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("I don't know you, but I love who you seem to be.")
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To: SmithL

I just read the BSA rules on the net. I was a Life Scout. There were plenty of times a Scout would stay behind with an adult, and no one would even dream that any of the adults were child molesters. The suggestion would generate at least a broken nose, and most likely be worse. I'll never understand, or condone this suspicion, or overkill that every adult is a closet child molester. All those times I sat in discussion and conference with some adult connected with scouting would be banned today, and the adult would be considered more, or less a criminal with ulterior motives.


22 posted on 03/18/2007 3:40:23 PM PDT by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: RonF; AppauledAtAppeasementConservat; Looking for Diogenes; Congressman Billybob; Pan_Yans Wife; ...

Scouts! All Scouts in the Area! Rally to help!

The rest of us PRAY!


23 posted on 03/18/2007 3:47:42 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SmithL

youth protection gone awry


24 posted on 03/18/2007 3:51:17 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P.)
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To: spunkets

I don't like the irrational suspicion of child molestation either. Besides, the article makes it clear the boy was wearing pants when he left.


25 posted on 03/18/2007 3:54:07 PM PDT by Krankor (kROGER)
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To: spunkets

.....why?.....

because every adult must take youth protection training to be regestered and participate in Scouting activities.

The executive in charge of the sponsoring institution must certify all are properly trained.csponsoring instutition


26 posted on 03/18/2007 3:55:08 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P.)
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To: spunkets

Suspicion is not the topic of discussion. The point is the man left himself open to suspicion by one on one.


27 posted on 03/18/2007 3:58:30 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P.)
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To: SandRat

Prayers up - I have a 12 yo.


28 posted on 03/18/2007 4:00:34 PM PDT by patton (Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.)
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To: bert
"Suspicion is not the topic of discussion."

It sticks out like a sore thumb on the thread.

"The point is the man left himself open to suspicion by one on one."

No, he definitely did not. As I pointed out above, after having read the rules myself, if the boy had a problem and he couldn't/didn't want to go on hte hike, the sit was fine.

29 posted on 03/18/2007 4:05:37 PM PDT by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: spunkets
What do they do with merit badge counselors, require 2 adults,

For Merit Badge counselors, it can be one adult and two or more scouts, and it can include the adult's own child. Or, it can be more than one adult with one child. I frequently held Merit Badge sessions in my living room, and my wife and kids were always around. Scoutmaster conferences can be out of earshot, but not out of sight. The rules apply to travel, also. I always made sure that the last kid in the car was my own.

When these rules were first implemented I went from feeling insulted, to just being amused. I got over all of that once I figured out that being a Scout Leader was a near-perfect set-up for a child molester (picture Alec Baldwin alone with a Scout in a tent).

I absolutely loathe people who use positions of authority to prey upon children, and I appreciate the BSA trying to keep those kinds of people away from from Scouts. The BSA works very hard to protect the children in its charge, and I'm willing to help.

30 posted on 03/18/2007 4:06:47 PM PDT by SmithL (si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: bert; spunkets
"Suspicion is not the topic of discussion. The point is the man left himself open to suspicion by one on one."

Spunkets was maybe a scout when I was, in the 50s.
I guess your post makes sense in today's society, but
50 years ago, it would be seen as total nonsense.
31 posted on 03/18/2007 4:13:02 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: SmithL

Prayers for the young man's safety.


32 posted on 03/18/2007 4:15:21 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: AlexW; bert
'60s. We were sent out on our own for a sleep in the woods to enter the Order of the Arrow.

"today's society"

It was no different then, than it is now. Except, back then, a child molester would rather be caught by the adults than any one of us. CMs were always around.

33 posted on 03/18/2007 4:21:08 PM PDT by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: SmithL

So far, rescue workers say they’ve found some food scraps and part of Michael Auberry's mess kit.

34 posted on 03/18/2007 4:26:27 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: SmithL

Auberry is described as Caucasian with reddish-brown hair, about 5 feet 4 inches and weighing 110 pounds. Investigators said he was last seen wearing blue jeans, a red jacket with reflector tape on it, and a dark North Carolina Tarheel baseball cap.


35 posted on 03/18/2007 4:27:51 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: SmithL

"We're really hopeful," his father, Kent Auberry, told the Winston-Salem Journal.

Auberry cried while describing a spot searchers had found where it appeared someone had sat on a rock and drawn in the dirt with a stick.

He said his son has been a Scout for about a year and has a first-class rank.

Searchers were moving off the trail and into rugged terrain Sunday afternoon and were expected to suspend the search when night fell because of the risks involved, Bauer said.

The boy was wearing pants, a shirt and a coat. The Sunday afternoon temperature at Mount Airy, about 25 miles northeast of Traphill in northwest North Carolina, was in the low 40s, the National Weather Service said.

Stone Mountain State Park covers nearly 13,750 acres.

Search crews included volunteer firefighters, National Park Service staff and rescue squads from the state park system and Alleghany and Wilkes counties. A Highway Patrol helicopter equipped with an infrared sensor that can detect body heat was sent to assist the search.


36 posted on 03/18/2007 4:29:09 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: SmithL

Of all the places to get lost you don't want it to be Alleghany County in the winter. Hope he found some kind of shelter. It was very cold last night.


Praying for his well being.


37 posted on 03/18/2007 4:39:15 PM PDT by Sue Perkick (...what I was born to do, don't have to think it through.....)
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To: fso301

Hey, scout rules also say no gay scout leaders, but we had a gay man run for office locally and we found his name listed as the local cub scout leader (oddly, he did not include that on his list of accomplishments on his campaign web site).


38 posted on 03/18/2007 5:54:53 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: DeFault User

Some troops would have sent a second scout to the hospital, so that there were two boys with the adult.

My Son's troop is extremely meticulous about this.


39 posted on 03/18/2007 5:57:31 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: spunkets

The fact that the paper thought it noteworthy to mention that they stayed alone, and the discussion here, reveals why the rule is a good rule to follow.


40 posted on 03/18/2007 5:59:06 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: spunkets
No, he definitely did not. As I pointed out above, after having read the rules myself, if the boy had a problem and he couldn't/didn't want to go on the hike, the sit was fine.

I'm pleased you read the rules, but with all due respect you are wrong. The Troop could have left a second Scout with the first Scout and the leader. Four leaders minimum is preferred for trips like this so that two leaders could be left if necessary. There are circumstances that would merit having a single adult with a single Scout, but this is not one.

Consult the other trained leaders on this thread. Leaving one Scout behind with one leader, because the Scout didn't want to go on the hike, violates BSA policy.

You are correct that I misread the article and did not realize that the Troop had returned to find the Scout and leader in the campsite before the Scout disappeared.

Youth protection is as much about protecting the adults as the youth -- it's more difficult for a youth to make an unmerited accusation if two adults are present. Merit badge classes, Scoutmaster conferences, and similar interactions with Scouts are held in the view of others, or in the presence of two adults.

This situation in North Carolina may be a tragedy. It may be nobody's fault other than the Scout's -- but Troops that skirt one safety rule often skirt others.

Can I quote you chapter and verse of the entire Guide to Safe Scouting? No, I'd have to pull the current guide. But I've been trained (more than ten times in Youth Protection; Council requirements for summer camp, National requirements for multiple Philmont and Sea Base trips), I've chaired the Council's Risk Management Committee, I serve as legal advisor to the Health and Safety Committee, I've been a Council Commissioner, and have been interviewed on appropriate Safe Scouting regulations in connection with taking Troops to two National Scout Jamborees, the upcoming World Scout Jamboree, and an international trip.

You DON'T leave one Scout behind with one leader for the sheer convenience of it. If three leaders went with the rest of the Troop, then one of them should have stayed behind.

NONE of that may have had anything to do with this Scout's disappearance. I've certainly had Scouts with the uncanny ability to walk away from a campsite despite knowing that the buddy system was allowed.

41 posted on 03/18/2007 7:28:19 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Some troops would have sent a second scout to the hospital, so that there were two boys with the adult.

My Son's troop is extremely meticulous about this.

Yep. Been there, done that. On a three-leader summer camp excursion, I've also awakened my son in the middle of the night so that he could walk with me to take a Scout to the infirmary, leaving two leaders (awake) in camp; my son was permitted to return to the campsite with me, one-on-one.

There are circumstances when one-on-one contact is necessary, such as a two-Scout, two-adult trip where a Scout or leader is injured and left behind. I'd send a Scout/leader crew for help.

In this case, if there is a second Scout or a second leader who can stay behind, then he should have done so.

I've prattled too long about the Guide to Safe Scouting. What's really important here is finding a lost Scout.

42 posted on 03/18/2007 7:38:54 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred.)
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To: spunkets

The BSA rules you read on the net are the tip of the iceburg -- there's an entire Guide to Safe Scouting that's updated regularly, together with a dual video component.


43 posted on 03/18/2007 7:40:49 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred.)
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To: SmithL

Prayer bump


44 posted on 03/18/2007 7:41:44 PM PDT by Tribune7 (A bleeding heart does nothing but ruin the carpet)
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To: SmithL
Thanks. I always enjoyed those discussions, and don't remember many times when any others were around. They usually were busy, and went out of their way to make an appt. Some of the discussions would definitely not have occurred had other adults, other than the guy's wife, or an unconnected friend of the adult been around. They were about personal development and how to help other scouts.

I think the setup is overkill and is not a good example to make. It teaches that the least common denomenator is that an adult is a closet child molester. In the old days, folks certainly knew about them, and they were always properly demeaned. It is never a good thing to teach,or to imply in any way, that if one of your buddies dad's, or their freinds has a lone discussion with you about something, that their are, or that there is good cause to believe, that ulterior motives exist.

Those positions of authority can't be used for abuse, if there's clear and open condemnation and instruction given regarding molesting, at troop meetings at least. I see no reason to encourage and perpetrate suspicion regarding the motives and intent of adults in general. That doesn't foster the idea that adults are trustworthy, loyal, honorable, ect... It fosters the idea that know one is trustworthy, loyal and honorable, and they all need to be watched like a hawk.

45 posted on 03/18/2007 7:57:24 PM PDT by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: Scoutmaster

I'm with you on the two-deep leadership issue.


46 posted on 03/19/2007 12:41:27 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: SmithL

Frankly, folks, you could just as easily call the "youth protection" rules "adult protection". One adult can be left with more than one Scout, but not with just one Scout unless that Scout is his or her child (or there's a legal guardian relationship). That provides obvious protection for the Scouts, but it also gives the adult a witness in case the Scout makes a false accusation because he is angry that the Scouter refused to let him carry the 10" sheath knife his Dad gave him or backed up the Patrol Leader when it was the Scout's turn to clean up the spaghetti pot last night and he tried to duck out on it.

Children often have no sense of proportion. They don't have an appreciation of the long-term effects of their actions and have no clue what a thoughtless accusation made in anger can have on an adult. This can be especially true of a child that has led a somewhat privileged and indulged life. I've had a few, and they get pretty unreasonable when they find themselves in an environment where there are actual rules that are enforced by punishment if you violate them; where "no" means "no" and no amount of wheedling will get around it.


47 posted on 03/19/2007 7:09:36 AM PDT by RonF
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To: Scoutmaster

The reporter on Fox this morning seemed to imply that the boy did not want to be on the trip. Two or more of his friends who were to have gone on the trip did not end up being on it. Maybe he was not participating in group activities and somebody had to stay behind with him.


48 posted on 03/19/2007 7:12:00 AM PDT by Burkean
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To: spunkets; Scoutmaster; SmithL; fso301

Frankly, folks, you could just as easily call the "youth protection" rules "adult protection". One adult can be left with more than one Scout, but not with just one Scout unless that Scout is his or her child (or there's a legal guardian relationship). That provides obvious protection for the Scouts, but it also gives the adult a witness in case the Scout makes a false accusation because he is angry that the Scouter refused to let him carry the 10" sheath knife his Dad gave him or backed up the Patrol Leader when the Scout tried to duck out on his turn to clean up the spaghetti pot last night.

Children often have no sense of proportion. They don't have an appreciation of the long-term effects of their actions and have no clue what a thoughtless accusation made in anger can have on an adult. This can be especially true of a child that has led a somewhat privileged and indulged life. I've had a few, and they get pretty unreasonable when they find themselves in an environment where there are actual rules that are enforced by punishment if you violate them; where "no" means "no" and no amount of wheedling will get around it.


49 posted on 03/19/2007 7:12:07 AM PDT by RonF
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To: Burkean
The reporter on Fox this morning seemed to imply that the boy did not want to be on the trip. Two or more of his friends who were to have gone on the trip did not end up being on it. Maybe he was not participating in group activities and somebody had to stay behind with him.Thanks, Burkean, I had not heard that.

Nothwithstanding that, another Scout (or another leader, if that would have still left two or more with the hiking group) should have stayed behind with the Scout who didn't want to participate. I understand that his disappearance did not occur when he was alone with a leader. We are (I am) just off on a tangent to point out that even if the Scout wanted to stay behind, TWO people needed to stay with him. Preferably two adults, but two Scouts and one leader would work.

Most importantly, the Scout is lost and I pray they find him well under the circumstances, and soon.

50 posted on 03/19/2007 7:22:34 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred.)
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