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Osama Bin Laden: Alive and Well and Living in the Valley of Dir
Family Security Matters ^ | 3/19/07 | Paul Williams

Posted on 03/19/2007 5:13:53 AM PDT by captjanaway

Let’s face it. He shouldn’t be hard to find, especially from a Predator, an aerial reconnaissance vehicle that can read the minute hands of a wristwatch from an altitude of twenty-six thousand feet.

Bin Laden is very tall (slightly over 6’6”) and incredibly thin (less than 150 pounds). He wears shalwart kameez (the loose-fitting tunics and baggy pants of al Qaeda and Taliban soldiers) and, when the weather is cold, he dons a camouflage jacket. Although he was born in 1957 and far from retirement age, the Al Qaeda chieftain appears to be very old. His long scraggly beard is pure white; his face is lined with countless wrinkles; and his shoulders are hunched and rounded. He is bent forward to such a degree that he seems to suffer from a form of osteoporosis. He is left-handed and walks with a cane. Last week, on March 10, he celebrated his fiftieth birthday

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: binladen; hiroshima; pakistan; terrorism

1 posted on 03/19/2007 5:13:56 AM PDT by captjanaway
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To: captjanaway

I think he's dead.


2 posted on 03/19/2007 5:15:59 AM PDT by Perdogg (Cheney-Bolton 2008)
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To: captjanaway
I still want his head on a pike planted outside Ground Zero, then outside the Pentagon, then outside the U.N.

And I'm going to reward a case of Lagavulin Scotch to the member(s) of the military who nails that pig-humper.

3 posted on 03/19/2007 5:18:28 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: captjanaway

If only he had taken out a student loan.
NelNet would be all over him.


4 posted on 03/19/2007 5:21:59 AM PDT by Ramcat (Thank You American Veterans)
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To: captjanaway

Just send him a gift, then follow the FedEx or UPS truck.............Newt Gingrich........


5 posted on 03/19/2007 5:26:19 AM PDT by Red Badger (Britney Spears shaved her head............Well, that's one way of getting rid of headlice.........)
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To: captjanaway
Alive and Well and Living in the Valley of Dir-T bags.
6 posted on 03/19/2007 5:26:23 AM PDT by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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To: captjanaway
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7 posted on 03/19/2007 5:26:54 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck......... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: captjanaway; All

I read a report that we [all of us] can help by going to "google earth" or other satt. search services and look at all of the areas that he could be hiding!


8 posted on 03/19/2007 5:28:14 AM PDT by TMSuchman (American by birth, Rebel by choice, Marine by act of GOD!)
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To: captjanaway

Article got goofy when it claimed that the "mercenaries", who gather every year in Vegas for their convention, know where he is.


9 posted on 03/19/2007 5:28:15 AM PDT by RayStacy
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To: captjanaway
Operation Anaconda, the plan to encircle Shah-i-Kot and squeeze the Al Qaeda and Taliban operatives out of their hiding places, got underway on March 2, 2003. Fierce resistance was reported by the coalition forces. Megaton bombs were dropped at the rate of 260 a day to ferret out the terrorists. The reported enemy death toll rose and fell like the fluctuations of a troubled currency: 100, 500, 200, 800, 300. When the fighting came to an end on March 12, only ten enemy soldiers were taken prisoner and less than twenty bodies were found within the battle zone. The full military offensive, replete with the dropping of 3,250 bombs, had been conducted on largely uninhabited territory.

This article is full of half-truths and lots of pure BS.

The above is just one example of pure BS. I know this for a fact......

10 posted on 03/19/2007 5:28:58 AM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: captjanaway

Demand that Pakistan use the valley as a nuke test site. Two little ones should do it.


11 posted on 03/19/2007 5:32:41 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help m)
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To: DevSix

If you are in a group of 100 people and the center of that group is hit with a 500 pound bomb there are no bodies to count.


12 posted on 03/19/2007 5:32:45 AM PDT by stockpirate (NO RETREAT, NO SURRENDER - Tom Delay - Read and learn how to fight back!)
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To: Perdogg

2 words: tora.....bora.....


13 posted on 03/19/2007 5:46:37 AM PDT by kimmie7 (Liberals embrace the sin......Christians embrace the sinner.)
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To: DevSix

bttt


14 posted on 03/19/2007 5:47:16 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: captjanaway; M Kehoe

He's dead, Jim.


15 posted on 03/19/2007 5:52:03 AM PDT by b4its2late (Liberalism is a mental disorder.)
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To: kimmie7
2 words: tora.....bora.....

And the date..... December 2001.

16 posted on 03/19/2007 5:53:06 AM PDT by b4its2late (Liberalism is a mental disorder.)
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To: theDentist

The memorial at Ground Zero should be pyramid of heads consisting every member of Osama bin Laden's immediate family: his wives, his children, their spouses and their children, with his head on top, perserved in a giant block of lucite.
The inscription should read "Payback's a bitch."


17 posted on 03/19/2007 6:07:24 AM PDT by Little Ray (Proud to be one of "...the most paranoid, xenophobic and reactionary characters...")
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To: captjanaway
“What’s more, bin Laden is protected by milmastia - - the Islamic code of hospitality that demands protection for fellow Muslims who seek shelter in their country - - even if such protection means risking their lives. Believing Muslims know that the $25 million reward comes with the price tag of apostasy and eternal damnation.”

The whole, stinking barrel is rotten...

18 posted on 03/19/2007 6:07:26 AM PDT by johnny7 ("We took a hell of a beating." -'Vinegar Joe' Stilwell)
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To: captjanaway

19 posted on 03/19/2007 6:29:45 AM PDT by jws3sticks (Hillary can take a very long walk on a very short pier, anytime, and the sooner the better!)
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To: captjanaway

Informative article.

Thanks.


20 posted on 03/19/2007 7:37:38 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS ABLE; LOVE GOD WHOLLY, HIM & HIS KINGDOM 1ST)
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To: DevSix

The CIA guy who was there, and wrote a book about it, said 1,500 AQ/Taliban went in and 75, including OBL, made it out. Of course when Tim Russert interviewed him every question portrayed this battle as a defeat because OBL got away. Yes, 95% of the enemy were killed but Mr. Potato Head, John F'n Kerry, and the other lefties tell us it was a defeat or blunder.


21 posted on 03/19/2007 7:55:04 AM PDT by Dilbert56
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To: captjanaway


"Let’s face it. He shouldn’t be hard to find, especially from a Predator, an aerial reconnaissance vehicle that can read the minute hands of a wristwatch from at twenty-six thousand feet."

But what if he stayed in his cave, or was six feet under. What if he looked like a postage stamp from 26,000'?

Or better, what if I was 6'6" and weighed 150 lbs., could you pick me out on a sidewalk? For that matter, what am I wearing right now?

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22 posted on 03/19/2007 8:09:17 AM PDT by OESY
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To: captjanaway

--Megaton bombs were dropped at the rate of 260 a day to ferret out the terrorists.--

Megaton? One million tons of TNT? There are no such conventional bombs, only nuclear. That, along with the Las vegas convention stuff, hurts the article's credibility.


23 posted on 03/19/2007 8:50:01 AM PDT by rfp1234 (Custom-built for Bill Clinton: the new Toyota Priapus.)
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To: captjanaway
C:\> DIR OSAMA*.*

 Volume in drive C has no label.
 Volume Serial Number is OU812

 Directory of C:\

Terrorist Not Found

24 posted on 03/19/2007 9:06:48 AM PDT by Mannaggia l'America
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To: captjanaway

if he released a video saying faggot or speaking out against abortion i bet the left would send their goons out to find him, personally. braving the dangerous territories to save humanity.


25 posted on 03/19/2007 9:15:39 AM PDT by sappy
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To: rfp1234

This article is riddled from top to bottom with silly inaccuracies.


26 posted on 03/19/2007 9:40:10 AM PDT by ryan71 (You can hear it on the coconut telegraph...)
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To: Dilbert56
When UBL made his way to the Pakistan border regions (likely through Parachinar) is up for debate. Regarding the bombing of Tora Bora. Members of the now disbanded (and unclassified) TRODPINT unit (Afghan and Uzbek operators hired by the CIA....they are the ones that helpd the CIA locate Mir Aimal Kasi).....Members of this unit are confident UBL left the Tora Bora Mtns for Pakistan a week or so prior to our bombing campaign there.

Regarding Op Anaconda (which this author brings up and lies about) the reality is hundreds and hundreds of AQ/Taliban (and their Chechen supports) died in those mountains during that Operation......They did at times put up stiff resistance while holding the high-ground in numerous areas (AQ/Chechens that is)....but they were throughly defeated over the course of the Op. And they died in the hundreds.

Did we drop a hell of a lot of ordinance from fast-movers during it? Without a doubt! Was it all effective....No.

But when one understands that region and fighting in that terrain you understand air power isn't going to have the same kill percentages as it does it most other areas. But it most assuredly keeps the enemies heads down!....And that is a victory enough.....while boots are moving on them.

Back to UBL. Is he alive? Yes (IMPO). Is killing him of great importance. Without a doubt....and the value of doing so is often under weighted.

However trying to find a man in that region of the world is an unbelievably difficult task. Most simply don't comprehend the complexities. Hell, the logistics of just running sustained operations can be a nightmare.

You are talking apprx 40,000 square miles in the NWFP alone! One is looking at roughly 1,500 miles of border between Stan and Pakistan.....A region that is mostly completely autonomous from any Gov't (and has been for centuries).....A region with every type of landscape possible from snow capped mountains, to flush valley's, to desert.

Bottom line is where UBL and Zawahiri have eked out their survival is in a sh*t part of the world and an even sh*tter area to operate in or to bring progress to....(and they know it and choose this area because of such)

Do we need the Pak Gov't to do more? Yes (where they can). But cutting the funding they need to even be adequate at the jobs we need them to do....would serve no benefit to us (in the big picture)....Which the Dem's are calling for today.

The situation sucks. Plain and simple. Though the concept of saying to hell with it....come hell or high-water we're coming in to drag UBL and Zawahiri out is a mindset at times I could really agree with....(though even that doesn't mean we'd catch the SOB in any short time period). Understand Zarqawi survived in Iraq over 3 years while we had a 140,000 + U.S. soldiers on the ground there (and the support of the majority of the people).

We wouldn't have the support of 5% of the people in these border regions of Pak

27 posted on 03/19/2007 2:03:25 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: b4its2late
2 words: tora.....bora.....

And the date..... December 2001.

Then it would be 3 words.

Does 2001 count as a word?

28 posted on 03/21/2007 1:26:55 PM PDT by CJ-50
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To: DevSix

Dev, I've followed your posts on this for some time. What do you think the best way to catch him is?


29 posted on 03/21/2007 1:35:03 PM PDT by Terabitten (How is there no anger in the words I hear, only love and mercy, erasing every fear" - Rez Band)
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To: Little Ray
The memorial at Ground Zero should be pyramid of heads consisting every member of Osama bin Laden's immediate family: his wives, his children, their spouses and their children, with his head on top, perserved in a giant block of lucite.

Uh, how old are his children's children?

30 posted on 03/21/2007 1:39:03 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody

If he has grandchildren, their heads should be in there, too, regardless of age.


31 posted on 03/21/2007 1:40:27 PM PDT by Little Ray (Proud to be one of "...the most paranoid, xenophobic and reactionary characters...")
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To: CJ-50
I just added the date in for good measure... Not necessarily to be part of the two words.......
32 posted on 03/21/2007 1:54:11 PM PDT by b4its2late (Liberalism is a mental disorder.)
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To: Terabitten
It is going to take HUMINT, HUMINT, HUMINT....plain and simple to put guns on his as$. Eyes in the sky are great and all....but in that region of the world they are for sh*t more often then not....in terms of gathering actionable Intel...

In order to get the HUMINT we need.....shooters cannot be stifled from HUMINT potential Ops because of risk adverse Highers / HQs...(and this has been a problem to date)

As I mentioned above. There is no easy answers and it is without question a complete sh*t area of the world to operate in (which is why UBL and Zawahiri are there)...But make no mistake there are brave warriors risking their lives 24/7 trying to make this happen (kill both these SOBs)

Professionally befriending a few knuckle-dragging Pashtuns with their own ambitions is without question a must as well(and is happening.....but this process takes time). Even finding a few gold hungry Uzbeks who are currently fighting Taliban / AQ in the Pak border regions could be of valuable HUMINT..

Bottom line is...just like with Zarqawi, Saddam and his sons...We'll get both their sorry as$es one of these days.

33 posted on 03/21/2007 1:59:35 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: Little Ray
If he has grandchildren, their heads should be in there, too, regardless of age.

That would make us no better than them.

34 posted on 03/21/2007 2:14:38 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody

Nope. If he'd have left us alone, we never would have bothered him or his children or his grandchildren. He initiated force, he gets to live with the consequences.

Thats one of the reasons it looks like we're going to lose - we won't do the messy work.


35 posted on 03/22/2007 5:37:40 AM PDT by Little Ray (Proud to be one of "...the most paranoid, xenophobic and reactionary characters...")
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To: Little Ray
Thats one of the reasons it looks like we're going to lose - we won't do the messy work.

When we start purposefully killing little children because their grandfather is a bad guy, then we've already lost.

36 posted on 03/22/2007 9:41:31 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody

When we let brainwashed toddlers grow up to revenge their "heroic" fathers or to blow themselves and innocents up, then we've lost.


37 posted on 03/22/2007 10:02:48 AM PDT by Little Ray (Proud to be one of "...the most paranoid, xenophobic and reactionary characters...")
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To: Little Ray
When we let brainwashed toddlers. . .

LOL I'm so very glad we don't have sickos like you in power.

38 posted on 03/22/2007 12:53:38 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: b4its2late
That would sure be a disappointment to the left
39 posted on 03/22/2007 12:55:16 PM PDT by woofie
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To: Ramcat

Or sign him up for an account from Columbia House.


40 posted on 03/22/2007 12:55:30 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (http://www.virginiaisforrudy.com * http://wardsmythe.com * http://www.rudyblogs.com)
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To: b4its2late

so who was it in the video released before the 2004 election, if OBL died in 2001?


41 posted on 03/22/2007 12:58:54 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: rfp1234

hahaha yeah, there is no conventional weapons able to produce that kind of yield so pretty much we dropped over a thousand thermonuclear weapons on a small area.


42 posted on 03/24/2007 4:09:55 PM PDT by oldstyle81
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To: Perdogg

I also think he is dead. His love for the camera was to the point that he could not stay away from putting out a video of himself at least once a week! He wouldn't just do audio tapes as he loved seeing himself on film! When is the last time anyone saw a video of him? December, 2002?


43 posted on 03/24/2007 4:19:01 PM PDT by seekthetruth
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