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Oregon Biology Teacher Fired Over Bible References
Fox News ^ | Tuesday, March 20, 2007

Posted on 03/20/2007 2:02:43 PM PDT by Diago

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To: editor-surveyor
Evolution is an agenda contrary to science.

Only to crackpots.

151 posted on 03/21/2007 6:36:55 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior and Founding Member of Darwin Central)
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To: phillyfanatic
As a teacher of some 45 years, I have mangaged to always skip the PC malarky and call a spade a spade.

And if you pulled the same crap as he did, I would expect you to be fired as well.

152 posted on 03/21/2007 6:41:00 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior and Founding Member of Darwin Central)
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To: taxesareforever

Theological concepts can be true or they can be false. That God created the universe out of nothing is true,


153 posted on 03/21/2007 8:47:07 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Paperdoll

It is not the Act that has caused the dumbing down of education. Yeaching to the test may in fact lead to students learning more than they otherwise would. After all,students who face the SAT are cramming for that test, which seems to count more than their GPA. I agree that one can not simply legislate learning. because most lawyers haven';t a clue about how or what to teach youngsters under the age of 20, because they have almost no professional contact with them. On the other hand, hose who actually run the schools, the school administrators and school board members also have little day to day contact with students, and are under constant pressure to please a whole raft of pressure groups. This includes teacher unions, which hard to believe are led by educators who no longer have much contact with students and who are more interested in pushing a political agenda than in improving education. But it also includes those parents who want their children to have the best school record possible with the least effort possible. Very many parents think of high school as a time when youngsters ought to enjoy themselves before they face the rigors of college and then work. This seems to be part of the culture. In Japan students work their asses off to achieve high scores on the equivalent of the SAT. But then they go off to college where they are expected to take a breather before they go to work for high pressure bosses.


154 posted on 03/21/2007 9:02:11 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: RobbyS

The Bible is not a book of theological concepts. It is the only book that contains absolute truth.


155 posted on 03/21/2007 10:42:13 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: Paperdoll
 

156 posted on 03/22/2007 4:46:54 AM PDT by Elsie
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To: Paperdoll
 

Humanist Manifesto I

The Manifesto is a product of many minds. It was designed to represent a developing point of view, not a new creed. The individuals whose signatures appear would, had they been writing individual statements, have stated the propositions in differing terms. The importance of the document is that more than thirty men have come to general agreement on matters of final concern and that these men are undoubtedly representative of a large number who are forging a new philosophy out of the materials of the modern world.

— Raymond B. Bragg (1933)



The time has come for widespread recognition of the radical changes in religious beliefs throughout the modern world. The time is past for mere revision of traditional attitudes. Science and economic change have disrupted the old beliefs. Religions the world over are under the necessity of coming to terms with new conditions created by a vastly increased knowledge and experience. In every field of human activity, the vital movement is now in the direction of a candid and explicit humanism. In order that religious humanism may be better understood we, the undersigned, desire to make certain affirmations which we believe the facts of our contemporary life demonstrate.

There is great danger of a final, and we believe fatal, identification of the word religion with doctrines and methods which have lost their significance and which are powerless to solve the problem of human living in the Twentieth Century. Religions have always been means for realizing the highest values of life. Their end has been accomplished through the interpretation of the total environing situation (theology or world view), the sense of values resulting therefrom (goal or ideal), and the technique (cult), established for realizing the satisfactory life. A change in any of these factors results in alteration of the outward forms of religion. This fact explains the changefulness of religions through the centuries. But through all changes religion itself remains constant in its quest for abiding values, an inseparable feature of human life.

Today man's larger understanding of the universe, his scientific achievements, and deeper appreciation of brotherhood, have created a situation which requires a new statement of the means and purposes of religion. Such a vital, fearless, and frank religion capable of furnishing adequate social goals and personal satisfactions may appear to many people as a complete break with the past. While this age does owe a vast debt to the traditional religions, it is none the less obvious that any religion that can hope to be a synthesizing and dynamic force for today must be shaped for the needs of this age. To establish such a religion is a major necessity of the present. It is a responsibility which rests upon this generation. We therefore affirm the following:

FIRST: Religious humanists regard the universe as self-existing and not created.

SECOND: Humanism believes that man is a part of nature and that he has emerged as a result of a continuous process.

THIRD: Holding an organic view of life, humanists find that the traditional dualism of mind and body must be rejected.

FOURTH: Humanism recognizes that man's religious culture and civilization, as clearly depicted by anthropology and history, are the product of a gradual development due to his interaction with his natural environment and with his social heritage. The individual born into a particular culture is largely molded by that culture.

FIFTH: Humanism asserts that the nature of the universe depicted by modern science makes unacceptable any supernatural or cosmic guarantees of human values. Obviously humanism does not deny the possibility of realities as yet undiscovered, but it does insist that the way to determine the existence and value of any and all realities is by means of intelligent inquiry and by the assessment of their relations to human needs. Religion must formulate its hopes and plans in the light of the scientific spirit and method.

SIXTH: We are convinced that the time has passed for theism, deism, modernism, and the several varieties of "new thought".

SEVENTH: Religion consists of those actions, purposes, and experiences which are humanly significant. Nothing human is alien to the religious. It includes labor, art, science, philosophy, love, friendship, recreation — all that is in its degree expressive of intelligently satisfying human living. The distinction between the sacred and the secular can no longer be maintained.

EIGHTH: Religious Humanism considers the complete realization of human personality to be the end of man's life and seeks its development and fulfillment in the here and now. This is the explanation of the humanist's social passion.

NINTH: In the place of the old attitudes involved in worship and prayer the humanist finds his religious emotions expressed in a heightened sense of personal life and in a cooperative effort to promote social well-being.

TENTH: It follows that there will be no uniquely religious emotions and attitudes of the kind hitherto associated with belief in the supernatural.

ELEVENTH: Man will learn to face the crises of life in terms of his knowledge of their naturalness and probability. Reasonable and manly attitudes will be fostered by education and supported by custom. We assume that humanism will take the path of social and mental hygiene and discourage sentimental and unreal hopes and wishful thinking.

TWELFTH: Believing that religion must work increasingly for joy in living, religious humanists aim to foster the creative in man and to encourage achievements that add to the satisfactions of life.

THIRTEENTH: Religious humanism maintains that all associations and institutions exist for the fulfillment of human life. The intelligent evaluation, transformation, control, and direction of such associations and institutions with a view to the enhancement of human life is the purpose and program of humanism. Certainly religious institutions, their ritualistic forms, ecclesiastical methods, and communal activities must be reconstituted as rapidly as experience allows, in order to function effectively in the modern world.

FOURTEENTH: The humanists are firmly convinced that existing acquisitive and profit-motivated society has shown itself to be inadequate and that a radical change in methods, controls, and motives must be instituted. A socialized and cooperative economic order must be established to the end that the equitable distribution of the means of life be possible. The goal of humanism is a free and universal society in which people voluntarily and intelligently cooperate for the common good. Humanists demand a shared life in a shared world.

FIFTEENTH AND LAST: We assert that humanism will: (a) affirm life rather than deny it; (b) seek to elicit the possibilities of life, not flee from them; and (c) endeavor to establish the conditions of a satisfactory life for all, not merely for the few. By this positive morale and intention humanism will be guided, and from this perspective and alignment the techniques and efforts of humanism will flow.

So stand the theses of religious humanism. Though we consider the religious forms and ideas of our fathers no longer adequate, the quest for the good life is still the central task for mankind. Man is at last becoming aware that he alone is responsible for the realization of the world of his dreams, that he has within himself the power for its achievement. He must set intelligence and will to the task.

[EDITOR'S NOTE: There were 34 signers of this document, including Anton J. Carlson, John Dewey, John H. Dietrich, R. Lester Mondale, Charles Francis Potter, Curtis W. Reese, and Edwin H. Wilson.]

Copyright © 1973 by the American Humanist Association



Permission to reproduce this material in toto in electronic or printout form is hereby granted free of charge by the copyright holder. Free permission to reprint the essay is granted to nonprofit Humanist and Freethought publications.


157 posted on 03/22/2007 4:52:31 AM PDT by Elsie
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To: L98Fiero
LOL! Kook. No business teaching school.

But... do you forgive him?

158 posted on 03/22/2007 5:02:04 AM PDT by Elsie
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To: Diago
By a vote of three to one, with one member abstaining because of a lack of background information...

(The other three didn't care that there wasn't 'background information'?)


"I feel that he departed from the accepted curriculum and exercised poor judgment on his source material in particular...," chairman Gould said.
 
"I think Mr. Helphinstine wasn't teaching good science. ... I think his performance was not just a little bit over the line. I think it was a severe contradiction of what we trust teachers to do in the classroom," said board member Jeff Smith.
 
Aha!



159 posted on 03/22/2007 5:06:00 AM PDT by Elsie
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To: Gumlegs
But be prepared to defend equally evil private schools.

:"Ya pays yer money and takes yer chances!"

160 posted on 03/22/2007 5:06:56 AM PDT by Elsie
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To: LibertarianInExile; Gumlegs
"Is that why so many scientists have their own television shows on which they appear immaculately coiffed, sometimes with their wives interjecting, "Oh! Praise Pasteur!" every few moments while the scientist tearfully warns his viewers that unless the viewers send money, that science won't like them any more?"

They don't have to, for the gummint has stolen my money already and is giving it to them!!

161 posted on 03/22/2007 5:08:51 AM PDT by Elsie
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To: Heartlander
There is a simple grandeur in the view of life with its powers of growth, assimilation and reproduction, being originally breathed into matter under one or few forms, and that whilst this our planet has gone circling according to fixed laws, and land and water, in a cycle of change, have gone on replacing each other, that from so simple an origin, through the power of gradual selection of influential changes, endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been evolved."
-Darwin
 
Alas...

Charles Darwin (1809-1882)

"By further reflecting that the clearest evidence would be requisite to make any sane man believe in the miracles by which Christianity is supported,—and that the more we know of the fixed laws of nature the more incredible do miracles become,—that the men at that time were ignorant and credulous to a degree almost incomprehensible by us,—that the Gospels cannot be proven to have been written simultaneously with the events,—that they differ in many important details, far too important, as it seemed to me to be admitted as the usual inaccuracies of eye witnesses;—by such reflections as these, which I give not as having the least novelty or value, but as they influenced me, I gradually came to disbelieve in Christianity as a divine revelation. The fact that many fake religions have spread over large portions of the earth like wildfire had some weight with me. But I was very unwilling to give up my belief; I feel sure of this, for I can remember often and often inventing day-dreams of old letters between distinguished Romans, and manuscripts being discovered at Pompeii or elsewhere, which confirmed in the most striking manner all that was written in the Gospels. But I found it more and more difficult, with free scope given to my imagination, to invent evidence which would suffice to convince me. Thus disbelief crept over me at a very slow rate, but was at last complete. The rate was so slow that I felt no distress, and have never since doubted even for a single second that my conclusion was correct."

( Charles Darwin in his Autobiography of Charles Darwin, Dover Publications, 1992, p. 62. )


Charles Darwin (1809-1882)

"I think that generally (& more & more as I grow older), but not always, that an agnostic would be the most correct description of my state of mind."

( Quoted from Adrian Desmond and James Moore, Darwin: The Life of a Tormented Evolutionist, New York: W. W. Norton & Company, 1991, p. 636. )


 
 
 
 
 

NIV 1 Timothy 1:20-21
 20.  Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge,
 21.  which some have professed and in so doing have wandered from the faith.   Grace be with you.

 
NIV Proverbs 4:13
   Hold on to instruction, do not let it go; guard it well, for it is your life.
 

NIV Hebrews 3:6
   But Christ is faithful as a son over God's house. And we are his house, if we hold on to our courage and the hope of which we boast.
 

NIV Hebrews 3:14
   We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly till the end the confidence we had at first.
 

NIV Hebrews 6:11
   We want each of you to show this same diligence to the very end, in order to make your hope sure.
 
 
NIV Hebrews 12:3
   Consider him who endured such opposition from sinful men, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart.
 
 
NIV 2 Timothy 2:11-13
 11.  Here is a trustworthy saying: If we died with him, we will also live with him;
 12.  if we endure, we will also reign with him. If we disown him, he will also disown us;
 13.  if we are faithless, he will remain faithful, for he cannot disown himself.
 

NIV 2 Peter 2:20-21
 20.  If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning.
 21.  It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them.
 
 
 
NIV 2 John 1:8
  Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully.
 

NIV Jude 1:21
   Keep yourselves in God's love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.
 

NIV Revelation 2:25
   Only hold on to what you have until I come.
 

NIV Revelation 3:11
   I am coming soon. Hold on to what you have, so that no one will take your crown.


162 posted on 03/22/2007 5:10:31 AM PDT by Elsie
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To: Paperdoll
Wish we had that teacher's email address so we could show support for him.

Sorry, but it was on the SCHOOLS computer system; which is now being deloused after finding many messages that were TOTALLY out of line with the 'accepted method of teaching "good science"'!

163 posted on 03/22/2007 5:13:33 AM PDT by Elsie
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To: TonyRo76
Stalinists have taken over the government schools in America, all within a startlingly short period of time.

If they'd have just used guns, we would be DOING something about it!

164 posted on 03/22/2007 5:15:11 AM PDT by Elsie
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To: Elsie

Dang!

This sounds like so many of our ardent E folks on FR!!


165 posted on 03/22/2007 5:18:15 AM PDT by Elsie
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To: Elsie

"But... do you forgive him?"

Not my place.


166 posted on 03/22/2007 6:13:24 AM PDT by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: Elsie
Gumlegs: But be prepared to defend equally evil private schools.

Elsie: "Ya pays yer money and takes yer chances!"

It's all those other private schools teaching things of which one couldn't possibly approve that are the problem. You know, Muslim madrasas, Hindu high schools, Atheist academies, that sort of thing.

167 posted on 03/22/2007 8:52:37 AM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: Paperdoll

And the NEA!


169 posted on 03/22/2007 10:00:42 AM PDT by Elsie
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To: Elsie

Absolutely!


170 posted on 03/22/2007 10:29:24 AM PDT by Paperdoll ( Duncan Hunter '08)
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To: Elsie
By a vote of three to one, with one member abstaining because of a lack of background information...

(The other three didn't care that there wasn't 'background information'?)

When the vote was taken, Dumolt abstained, as he had not attended the closed executive session when all issues surrounding the matter were discussed. Gould, Lasken and Smith voted in favor of termination. Steve Rudinsky voted against termination.

-- post 102

Kay: "Jeebs, Why do you lie to me? I hate it when you lie . . ."

Kay: "All right. I want you on the next transport off this rock...
--or I'll shoot you where it don't grow back."

Jay: "An-and I'll be back later to talk about them Rolexes .."

;->

171 posted on 03/22/2007 2:25:44 PM PDT by dread78645 (Evolution. A doomed theory since 1859.)
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To: Paperdoll
New World Order, which has been planned, and is being pushed by the Council on Foreign Relations, the Bilderbergers, and the Tri-Lateral Commission.

For information on these organizations, send a $2 check or money order to: F.R.E.E., P.O. Box 293339, Kerrville, Texas 78029

SmileyCentral.com gee willickers I sure will! Will they accept a money order of $240 for 10 dozens of these info letters that promise to reveal the truth about these organizations that are laying the groundwork for the New World Order?

I want to give them to all my friends, family and coworkers, so that they too can be privy such important machinations.

I'm expecting a nice little sum of coin soon, for helping out a poor fellow in Nigeria find a way around the System. Seems the new gubmint over there has wrongly frozen all of his known accounts and holdings.

172 posted on 03/22/2007 10:56:27 PM PDT by AtomicBuffaloWings (Still not hot enough, A few of my taste buds are still alive.)
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To: mountn man
Route memorization of bland theories and opinions is the key to modern science.

Hey, yours is better, see, we have evolved!

173 posted on 03/22/2007 11:06:54 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: tacticalogic

My response was in sumation to your entire postings in the thread. Being intentionaly stupid and thinking that is wise is a clear indication of a fool stands as is.


174 posted on 03/22/2007 11:08:13 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: trumandogz

Teaching the social and political foundations of the science is valid, even brilliant.

Something the dim bulbs of bureaucracy cannot comprehend.


175 posted on 03/22/2007 11:10:15 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: American in Israel
My response was in sumation to your entire postings in the thread. Being intentionaly stupid and thinking that is wise is a clear indication of a fool stands as is.

Being personally insulting and thinking it is clever is a clear indication of a troll. You go find someone else to help you start a flame war.

176 posted on 03/23/2007 1:19:25 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: AtomicBuffaloWings


Only if you are curious who are members and what is happening to U.S.Sovereignty - might help fill that empty head of yours.


177 posted on 03/23/2007 9:42:20 AM PDT by Paperdoll ( Duncan Hunter '08)
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To: tacticalogic

Funny, you spend the thread being obtuse, and then accuse me starting a flame war. Silly boy.


178 posted on 03/23/2007 1:33:08 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: American in Israel
Funny, you spend the thread being obtuse, and then accuse me starting a flame war. Silly boy.

You either want one or you just want the last word. Which is it?

179 posted on 03/23/2007 2:11:18 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Diago
During his eight days as a part-time high school biology teacher,

Which was seven days and 23 hours too long.

Kris Helphinstine included Biblical references in material he provided to students and gave a PowerPoint presentation that made links between evolution, Nazi Germany and Planned Parenthood.

What's his FR handle?

180 posted on 03/23/2007 2:13:42 PM PDT by Zeroisanumber (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Continental Soldier
What in the world does Nazi Germany have to do with evolution?

There are those on the board who will explain for hundreds of posts if you let them.

181 posted on 03/23/2007 2:15:45 PM PDT by Zeroisanumber (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: DaveLoneRanger; 2Jedismom; Aggie Mama; agrace; Antoninus; arbooz; bboop; BlackElk; blu; cgk; ...

ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

This ping list is for the "other" articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. If you want on/off this list, please freepmail me. The main Homeschool Ping List by DaveLoneRanger handles the homeschool-specific articles.
182 posted on 03/23/2007 6:40:35 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Zeroisanumber

Thank God they fired this nutcase.

Funny, so many posters sure have problems with the schools, until thier ox is gored.

This man should be ashamed of himself for disgracing the job as teacher.


183 posted on 03/23/2007 6:47:13 PM PDT by Central Scrutiniser (Never Let a Theocon Near a Textbook. Teach Evolution!)
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To: tacticalogic

plonk


184 posted on 03/25/2007 9:57:43 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: tacticalogic
I do not want a flame war nor did I want the last word. I just wanted to point out to you that your circular logic arguments and obfuscation were embarrassingly transparent (though rather in topic as an example of a public education.)

Excuse me, edjumacation... As this has attempt at making a point to you has degenerated so far as to be worthless, Please by all means take the last word as my last word to you is *Plonk*
185 posted on 03/25/2007 10:04:11 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: American in Israel

Just what is it your not happy about then?


186 posted on 03/26/2007 5:19:36 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Diago
This is why Catholics have our own schools, we can teach what the parents want without interference from big brother and the atheistic liberals. We teach the virgin birth, God created the heaven and the earth, Jesus rose from the dead, some teach that life changes over time or evolves according to an obvious instruction code.

No big brother and aclu to send out hit squad to force Catholic school parents to give into the will of the leftist elite. Even if we are wrong, we have that right.

Anyone who favors parents rights being trumped by the force of government is hardly a friend of liberty.

This teacher should find a private school, but the fact is obvious that there should no such thing as a public school system. (its like flushing money down a toilet in comparison to a private school)

The end of public school would eliminate so much trouble and eliminate the abuse of the system to promote political viewpoints.

187 posted on 07/15/2007 10:17:05 PM PDT by gunsofaugust (Ignore the bishops who choose to ignore the laws that interfere with their leftist political goals.)
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To: Diago
He sound like a nut. What do the Nazis have to do with Biology class?

Unless you are a nutter...

188 posted on 07/15/2007 10:22:02 PM PDT by Porterville (I'm an American. If you hate Americans, I hope our enemies destroy you. I will pray for my soul.)
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