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Ruby Ridge...documentary films?
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Posted on 03/20/2007 5:48:06 PM PDT by Chasaway

Good evening, Freepers.

I just watched a documentary on the Ruby Ridge/Randy Weaver fiasco with my family. I'd like to get some recommendations from you folks on some other good documentary films about it.

My kids are too young to remember any of this (or actually even be AROUND for it) and I want to put some of this kind of stuff in perspective for them.

A year or so ago, we did the whole Waco/Rules of Engagement route to try to get our arms around that whole thing. And then when we watched this little hour-long thing about Ruby Ridge tonight, it made my son get out his guns and start cleaning them. (Had kind of a crazy look in his eye, too. And he's generally a pretty calm kid.)

It may sound a bit like I'm trying to indoctrinate, but I'm really not. I just want my kids to know what the government can do and what it can be like. They've already seen the "nanny-state" side of the government. I want them to understand the flip side, too.

So...all that being said, I'm looking for documentaries or films that tell the story pretty well. We'll probably watch the movie with Randy Quaid as Weaver (although I really didn't like that one when I saw it the first time), but I'd like some really good documentaries that you've seen and appreciate/respect.

Any help or ideas would be really appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

C


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To: TheBridge
Weaver blew it. That's what happened.

So we gun people down after the FBI pays them to break the law. You are a complete idiot. There is nothing in the constitution that requires anyone to be polite to anyone, actually it calls for the opposite. Point me to the so called authorities you are talking of.

21 posted on 03/21/2007 5:37:57 AM PDT by org.whodat (Never let the facts get in the way of a good assumption.)
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To: TheBridge

You're the F'in idiot Adolph.


22 posted on 03/21/2007 6:10:57 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: oldenuff2no

All of this started because of one quarter inch. Randy is alleged to have sold a sawed off shotgun to an undercover fed that had a barrel that was one fourth inch too short. For that one quarter inch they shot his teenage son in the back and his wife in the head.



Actually, the barrel was of legal length. He was alleged to have shortened the butt of the stock to bring the overall length below the lesser-known but still 10-years-in-jail limitation of 26 inches.

A quarter inch of wood, and he could have done so legally if he had paid a $5 (not $200) tax to manufacture an "any other weapon" (AOW - non-pistol non-long gun).

And I understand that it was a fed informant/scheme that asked him to cut it down.


23 posted on 03/21/2007 7:34:27 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: TheBridge
Weirdos in the woods need to be polite to Authorities, too.


Spoken like a Rudy supporter who joined FR in the last few months!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1802194/posts?page=202#202

TheBridge
Since Jan 8, 2007
24 posted on 03/21/2007 7:37:41 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: DainBramage
He's being sarcastic.


If thats the case then of course my comment is misplaced ....
But I have heard that sort of drivel from enough people to know that some folks really don't have a clue.
25 posted on 03/21/2007 11:51:58 AM PDT by THEUPMAN (####### comment deleted by moderator)
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To: TFFKAMM

Thanks for the link to that story. That guy would be much less likely to receive public sympathy since he was big into pot and hippies. However unsavory I find him to be, he didn't deserve what the government dished out to him. I probably would've done the same desperate thing he did in that situation.


26 posted on 03/21/2007 5:17:35 PM PDT by Firefigher NC
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To: Firefigher NC
"First they came for the gay hippie pothead rednecks, and since I wasn't one..." :-)

I'm not a fan of Koresh or Weaver myself, nor of Philadelphia's Black-separatist MOVE, who were literally bombed out of their urban settlement by the city police. But government-sanctioned murders of citizens is always wrong, even if said citizens' sensibilities don't mesh with ours.

If you, or other Freepers, are interested in the Crosslin/Rohm case, check out Dean Kuipers' BURNING RAINBOW FARM. One of the interesting things about that story, to me, is how Rainbow Farm cross-pollinated the hippie Left, the libertarian Right, stoners, good ol' boys, Christians, gays, and all sorts of other seemingly disparate elements.

27 posted on 03/21/2007 6:04:39 PM PDT by TFFKAMM
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To: TFFKAMM

It is an interesting case. I read the wikipedia link about the MOVE group and how the city police took care of them. I think the subject of government heavy-handed tactics is fascinating and a bit scary.


28 posted on 03/21/2007 6:22:05 PM PDT by Firefigher NC
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To: Chasaway

I'll be bookmarking this one.


29 posted on 03/21/2007 6:25:33 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (If you're not being shot at, it's not a high stress job.)
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To: THEUPMAN
Oh yeah...but I noticed you have the clue. Just the level of discourse is something to behold.

"Your a troll idiot"...Your the f'n idiot adolph".

You know... you lose any argument when you start doing that, at least with those of average intelligence and above.

30 posted on 03/21/2007 6:44:10 PM PDT by DainBramage
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To: Chasaway
RE: "[Weaver] was so "rural" that folks in the big city might see him as dangerous, and that he was so far removed geographically that they might see "good riddance" as a real, "okay" response to what happened."

Good observation -- and that makes the events of Ruby Ridge relevant to today. As long as there are Americans who exercise their inalienable rights to be different offending only the "sensibilities" of the meddlesome Ruby Ridge will likely recur.

31 posted on 03/21/2007 8:41:36 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: DainBramage
you lose any argument when you start doing that


I wasn't arguing with him , I was simply stating a fact .
I usually don't engage idiots around here.
I don't like to encourage them.
But I just couldn't hold my tongue on that one.
People who really hold that sort of opinion are immune from logic and reason , so insulting them really doesn't hurt.

It's sort of like shooting a bird at a blind guy ... pointless , but if it makes you fell better .. whats the harm.
32 posted on 03/22/2007 1:13:57 AM PDT by THEUPMAN (####### comment deleted by moderator)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
No one saw him as dangerous till he joined a group of extremists that preached hatred and the overthrow of the US government.

He then agreed to saw off shotguns for money from whom he thought was an Aryan Nation biker, who was going to sell them to black gangs in the city.

If he had have joined AlQuieda and had have done the same thing you wouldnt be peacocking him as being such an angel.

33 posted on 03/22/2007 3:57:08 AM PDT by DainBramage
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To: DainBramage
You've listed valid reasons to ostracize Mr. and Mrs. Weaver.

However that's not exactly what I remember. I will look for the Congressional hearings' conclusions.

For the past few years anyway I've wanted to learn if I remember correctly that one of the federal agents stated at one of the televised hearings that they have the authority to kill citizens based soley upon the belief that the citizen would present a danger at sometime in the future; i.e., a threat did not have to be imminent.

I have always believed that truth is more important than my ego.

34 posted on 03/22/2007 10:45:17 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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