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German Judge Justifies Marital Violence by the Koran
Der Spiegel ^ | March 20, 2007 | Veit Medick and Anna Reimann

Posted on 03/20/2007 6:09:41 PM PDT by T Ruth

[Dateline: Hamburg, Germany] A 26-year old woman with two small children wanted to free herself from the bonds of matrimony. The police had established that her husband, who, like her, was from Morocco, had beaten her. Her husband had to move out, but the terror continued: after the separation the still-married man threated to murder the young mother.

[The woman sought an expedited divorce under German law.]

[The (female) judge denied the request, ruling that because both marital partners were from Morocco where the koran allows men to beat their wives, therefore there was] "not any unreasonable cruelty within the meaning of Paragraph 1565" [of the German divorce law, so as to allow an expedited divorce. The woman would have to wait out the normal one-year waiting period.]

(Excerpt) Read more at spiegel.de ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Germany; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: dhimmitude; eurabia; germany; islam
Another termite boring into the foundations of western civilization.
1 posted on 03/20/2007 6:09:42 PM PDT by T Ruth
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To: T Ruth

Coming soon to the USA.


2 posted on 03/20/2007 6:12:00 PM PDT by Mr. Brightside
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3 posted on 03/20/2007 6:22:49 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: T Ruth
Seems to me the judge was giving the woman an opportunity to renounce Islam ... at least that would have been my retort.
4 posted on 03/20/2007 6:24:55 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: T Ruth

Are the words within the brackets your words?


5 posted on 03/20/2007 6:25:33 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

Yes. The words in brackets are my paraphrase and summary of the German. They are not a strict translation.


6 posted on 03/20/2007 6:29:12 PM PDT by T Ruth (Islam shall be defeated.)
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To: T Ruth
Fascist behavior appears to be a continuing problem in Deutschland.

Maybe it's time to redeploy a few hundred thousand troops to the place ~

7 posted on 03/20/2007 6:40:03 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: T Ruth
Image hosted by Photobucket.com it allows them to hump goats tooo... but even peta would prolly bow down.
9 posted on 03/20/2007 6:46:24 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: T Ruth

She should "divorce" him with a shovel to the throat when he's asleep. If the State will not protect her, she has every right to protect herself.


10 posted on 03/20/2007 6:48:41 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: T Ruth

The German dhimmi might as well be a robed mullah.


11 posted on 03/20/2007 6:56:26 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: T Ruth

Appreciated.


12 posted on 03/20/2007 7:04:16 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
It looks like the judge joined the pedophile cult. This is a whole load of crap. Germany wants the rest of the world to believe that it is civilized and then something like this comes out of their legal system. What a joke.
13 posted on 03/20/2007 7:17:29 PM PDT by oldenuff2no
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To: T Ruth

Europe is HISTORY!


14 posted on 03/20/2007 7:51:30 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (.)
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To: Mr. Brightside

"Coming soon to the USA."

Not far fetched at all given that our Supremes like to look to Europe for guidance.


15 posted on 03/20/2007 8:07:17 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: T Ruth

Someone should have warned this judge... you have to be very careful.

If you keep your mind too open, it is likely your brains will fall out.


16 posted on 03/20/2007 8:09:49 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE)
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To: T Ruth

That is what happens when you mix multiculturalism and moral relativism.


17 posted on 03/20/2007 8:27:45 PM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: T Ruth

So now we have a German judge applying the Koran? Is this person a judicial idiot?


18 posted on 03/20/2007 8:44:47 PM PDT by popdonnelly (Hillary - the Empty Pants Suit)
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No, it´s what we call international private law. If there´s no connection to German law, the German court must apply the law of the country with the most connections - in this case, Marocco. Strange, but helpful for foreigners who are unfamiliar with the local law.


19 posted on 03/21/2007 4:13:53 AM PDT by Michael81Dus
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To: Michael81Dus
This was not a choice-of-law case. The article stated that the woman is a German, even though she was from Morocco; and the married couple is living in Hamburg. Further, the judge did not refer to Morrocan law, but stated there were no grounds for relief under Paragraph 1565 of the BGB -- German law -- on account of the fact that both marital partners were used to Morrocan customs.

Interestingly, since I posted this thread, Der Spiegel has added a poll to its article, which asks:

In a divorce proceeding, a judge has justified marital violence by the koran. Should disciplinary measures be instituted against her?

Yes, in Germany only the constitution governs, not sharia law.

No, judicial independence is a higher good.

Don't know.

Right now, "Yes" is leading 10 to 1 (approx. 7600 to 720)

20 posted on 03/21/2007 6:43:16 AM PDT by T Ruth (Islam shall be defeated.)
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Thanks for the poll info. I figure the judge is a typical socialist from northern Germany where this sort of attitude reigns. Thank God for the conservative Bavarians, the Rheinlanders, and the folks from Baden-Wuerttemburg.


21 posted on 03/21/2007 6:47:54 AM PDT by Gumdrop
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To: T Ruth

Ok, I´ve to admit that I didn´t read the article, and assumed it was IPL. :) And I do have seen the spiegel.de site since my first post, too.


22 posted on 03/21/2007 7:00:02 AM PDT by Michael81Dus
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To: T Ruth
because both marital partners were from Morocco where the koran allows men to beat their wives, therefore there was] "not any unreasonable cruelty within the meaning of Paragraph 1565"

If law is based on nothing but convention, why not? Why not anything?

"If there is no God, everything is permissible."
--Dostoevsky

Legal theory has been separated from the natural law for some time. The consequences of this ideological shift are now becoming apparent.

23 posted on 03/21/2007 7:06:33 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: B-Chan
She should "divorce" him with a shovel to the throat when he's asleep. If the State will not protect her, she has every right to protect herself.

That is far too painless. You are right that she should wait until he is asleep. Then double stitch sew the sheets to the mattress. When she finishes sewing the sheets all around the circumference of the mattress and no escape is possible she should wake her husband up by hitting him over the head with a baseball bat. He literally won't know what hit him. Then she can proceed to beat him to death. She will have no trouble hitting him. As he flails away and tries to escape his head will be clearly outlined and she can continue to deliver dozens of fatal blows to the head. As his bloody pulp nears unconsciousness she can explain why she is doing this. She should then proceed to breaking his legs, arms and rib cage. This will intensify his awareness. She can then at her leisure deliver the final coup de grace -- another 50 blows to the head. She should then mail pictures of his bloody carcass to his male friends telling them they had better sleep with one eye open. Then she better find a place to hide.

24 posted on 03/21/2007 7:07:03 AM PDT by daviscupper
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To: T Ruth

"Festering Eurabia"


25 posted on 03/21/2007 7:24:42 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: daviscupper

Sounds like too much work. The shovel to the windpipe method is quick 'n' easy.


26 posted on 03/21/2007 12:53:46 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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Dhimmitude, this judge surrendered already

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27 posted on 03/21/2007 3:41:26 PM PDT by knighthawk (We will always remember We will always be proud We will always be prepared so we may always be free)
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How horrible.

But well deserved.

28 posted on 03/21/2007 3:54:14 PM PDT by happygrl
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It's a slow-motion train wreck, I can't avert my eyes though I want to.


29 posted on 03/21/2007 6:17:35 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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Good thing the judge did not use Scottish Law....
30 posted on 03/21/2007 6:26:20 PM PDT by jettester (I got paid to break 'em - not fly 'em)
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To: Michael81Dus
No, it´s what we call international private law. If there´s no connection to German law, the German court must apply the law of the country with the most connections - in this case, Marocco. Strange, but helpful for foreigners who are unfamiliar with the local law.

Oh, yes... VERY helpful for foreigners. Especially those who are not interested in learning the local laws and customs, or making any effort to blend in with the rest of that society.

If a German were caught stealing in, say, Saudi Arabia, do you suppose they'd invoke international private law - or simply lop off the suspect's hand?

31 posted on 03/21/2007 10:40:05 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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Stealing is a crime, not an issue of civil law. But if a German married to a German wants divorce in Saudi-Arabia, the Saudi judge has to apply German law. I´m not sure he knows that, though. ;-)

And regarding the actual case: it´s not a case of IPL, because the woman is a German national. So, the judge made a terrible mistake by using the Koran instead of the German constitution. The German public is outraged, and the judge was pulled off from the case. Many politicians call for disciplinatory measures and even the dismissal of her.


32 posted on 03/22/2007 1:19:46 AM PDT by Michael81Dus
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To: Dick Bachert

Not so fast Dick,

every German newspaper opened with this as a headline.
The content was about how outrageaous this is and why this means no good for our state and constitution - you name it they had it.

Who would have thought - our supposed to be left - media - made up today (all of them !) with articles about the islamification of our society.

that's new.


33 posted on 03/22/2007 5:18:29 AM PDT by Rummenigge (there's people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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