Posted on 03/21/2007 8:23:31 AM PDT by CNS
(CNSNews.com) - A Democratic lawmaker has introduced a bill that would ban the sale of traditional incandescent light bulbs - which are less energy-efficient, prompting claims that they contribute to "global warming" - one day after a colleague told a press conference that legislating a ban would be a "last choice."
As Cybercast News Service reported last week, Rep. Don Manzullo (R-Ill.) and Sen. Mark Pryor (D-Ark.) held a news conference Wednesday calling for more efficient lighting options, and Manzullo said "the last thing we want to do is force legislation down people's throats."
One day later, Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.) introduced legislation that would set target dates for certain types of light bulbs to be prohibited for sale in the United States.
Harman calls the bill "an important first step toward making every household, business and public building in America more energy-efficient."
"This legislation, while a small step, could have an enormous impact," she said in a posting on the liberal Huffington Post blog. "And hopefully, it can help transform America into an energy-efficient and energy-independent nation."
An average traditional incandescent bulb based on a filament emits 12-15 lumens per watt (a measurement of the bulb's lighting output.) Harman's bill would require all bulbs to produce 60 lumens-per-watt by January 2012; 90 lumens-per-watt by January 2016; and 120 lumens-per-watt by January 2020.
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Stock up now!
Oh man if this is for real they will be pummeled with.........
"how many democrats does it take to change a light bulb?" jokes.
The LIGHT COMPANY here in Mexico, COMISION FEDERAL DE ELECTRICIDAD, has had a campaign to make availabe at subsidized prices, the use of florescent bulbs that screw in. I think a halogen bulb that produces little heat would be a better preference.
I guess they went from "first" to "last" choice in 24 hours.
Good way to stay classy.
admitted - I use very few incandescent anymore - i have switched to compact fluorescents mainly because I am lazy and they don't blow out as much and I don't have to get up and change them as much. But for that reason only.
Has anyone developed a normal looking fluorescent light bulb to replace the incandescent types? All I have see are those huge ugly twisted ones that won't fit under common lamp shades.
I've always been of the opinion that joking about Democrats is redundant, but that's just me.
MGY
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No kidding!!
Aren't the "efficient lightbulbs" filled with toxic chemicals? And incandescent are only in a vacuum? Which would I rather have break around my kids...hmmmm, let me think on that...
Brought to you by the same clowns who gave you low-flush (no-flush) toilets.
Buy up the old bulbs now - they will be as valuable as freon soon.
Oh, boy. Lightbulb legislation. The dems used to be the "mommy party," now they're the "granny party." Like lightbulbs are the biggest danger to the American people. These dems and their wimpy RINO friends are an absolute waste of time.
Am I mistaken or isn't their certain neurological conditions where use of fluorescent lights can induce seizures in certain individuals??
If so, it would seem that Democrates may be discriminating against the disabled.
The market itself will bring about the eventual demise of incandescent light bulbs.
Light bulbs are OK, we should have a bill to ban dim bulbs in Congress.
How many Democrats does it take to screw in a light bulb?
Don't know, but we'll soon find out how many it takes to unscrew a light bulb.
You have GOT to be kidding me.
(Oh, and the jokes write themselves...)
Now I can sit on my inferior crapper in the dark!
But how will people use their Easy bake Ovens?
I admit that I have never attempted to use the bulbs, because my parents had them in their light fixtures and they looked extremely tacky. I guess they have improved in the last few years. I like the idea of halogen or white LEDs better.
Fluorescent light bulbs have a small amount of mercury in them.
Cripes they messed with toilet tanks , now light bulbs!
Black market in lightbulbs.
Who'da thought?
How many Kennedys does it take to change a light bulb?
Three.
One to hold the bulb and two to drink until the room spins around.
Even when people are forced to act one way they tend to do something to make up for it. For example, I notice that when flushing I tend to hold the handle down until the entire flush is done instead of the old method of just giving the handle a push and release. I doubt that saves as much water as the environmentalists said it would.
Similarly I expect that people will come out with "yellow" shades to adjust the harsh color of the fluorescent light which will also dim the light some and require higher wattage bulbs to give the same total light. Now if they could just come out with a DC fluorescent bulb which doesn't have that just noticeable flicker.
Fluorescent light bulbs have a small amount of mercury in them.
Light bulb disposal legislation coming.
Fluorescent light bulbs contain a drop of mercury. I wonder if they take that into account?
I have a few of these dim bulbs. I use them for desk lamps where you need little light and the heat is not welcome. I tried them in overhead lights, Walmart had a sale recently, they now reside in unused closet areas. The costs are high.
The cost is high & I bet that the cost of disposal will be also.
"An average traditional incandescent bulb based on a filament emits 12-15 lumens per watt (a measurement of the bulb's lighting output.) Harman's bill would require all bulbs to produce 60 lumens-per-watt by January 2012; 90 lumens-per-watt by January 2016; and 120 lumens-per-watt by January 2020."
120 lumens per watt? Is that even physically possible? OK, just went and looked it up, and it is. No currently commercially available home lighting source reaches that level of efficiency, however, unless you want to light your house with arc or gas discharge lamps. In fact, apparently even current compact fluorescent bulbs come up a little short of the 60 lumens per watt figure, you'd have to go to fluorescent tubes to reach that.
Politicians should be banned from sticking their fingers into the technology pie like this. They're not qualified to make such decisions, nevermind the fact that they're grossly overstepping the proper bounds on their power.
$2000 to dispose of a broken florescent bulb
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We have some white LEDs in use but they are EXPENSIVE right now but the cost is well worth it for what we need them for. But those early florescent bulbs were so ugly and the light was so bad that their modern cousins face an uphill battle. I use some of the old style ones in globe fixtures where the bulb does not show. You can easily get by with a 100 watt equivalent where normally only a 60 watt traditional bulb could be used.
Well - if they can't pass legislation to set target dates for withdrawal from Iraq - maybe they can set target dates for withdrawal from Walmart.
How many Kennedy's does it take to replace a lite bulb?
Only one to hold the bulb, but you need the others to drink enough to get the room to spin
What about those smaller candelabra type bulbs? Do they make a florescent version of those?
I would never go back to big clunky 1910-technology bulbs.
All of my lights are CLF except for one LED desk lamp and six four foot fluorescent bulbs. I like low electric bills.
Word in Kalifornia is that the cost of throwing them away will be very expensive- They contain more Mercury than the regular bulbs, thus making them toxic waste and this kind of surcharge will lead to illegal dumping of the used bulbs.
Sooooo-- we get to pay for them over and over again. Very expensive in the first place, surcharge to dispose of them, and they don't work in large outdoor applications, especially in cold climates. So what happens to my security lights?
You heard it here first....
Yes, I had a colleague who had to disable the lights in his office and use a couple of incandescent lamps he plugged in. Otherwise the lighting made him ill.
We use nothing but energy saving bulbs in our house, but I would really resent having the government force this on us. One thing for certain is that it will adversely impact the market and probably end up making the new bulbs more expensive. Moreover, it will take away the incentive to keep improving them, which they have been doing up to now.
Remember when AT&T had a monopoly on telephones, and either you used their phones or you lumped it? Needless to say, there was not a lot of innovation going on in new phone products, despite Bell Labs.
We can save 10% immediately on energy:
Round up and kick out and KEEP out the illegal intruders.
They use gasoline, and they turn on lights, same as you and me.
They will have to pry my incandescent bulbs from my cold dead hands.
Follow the money, folks. Who looks to gain from this? And where will it end? When is the GREEN TAX coming?
Yes - mercury. Not only that, but if you put them in poorly ventilated fixtures that are typical for incandescent bulbs, they overheat and fail at a far shorter life than the incandescents they replace and can catch on fire. (personal experience on this one)
All this shows is that Harmon is a total moron, and probably an excellent representative of the people who voted for her.
Yep... "Hecho en Mexico".
I have both types of bulbs in my ceiling at the office. The "new ones" that are rated with the same output as the standard bulb are much dimmer.
Amazing that otherwise intelligent politicians buy into this thinking they can stop global something or other, but they give it some reality in society it doesn't otherwise have and it will live on all the longer even while earth slips back into a little ice age in a few years.
heh.. i found that out the first winter i owned my house. i put a bunch of shoplights in my garage and a box of extra bulbs out there. they're all junk now.
You can take that statement to the bank.
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