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Posted on 03/21/2007 4:14:25 PM PDT by wagglebee
Boy am I ever going to get back at these dirty vultures; when they use my organs it will be the Mother of all Recalls.
People who sign donor Cards please God Everyday.
My Card is signed.
How about yours?
No, be honest and say that you are killing sick patients for their organs.
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I am an RN with 25 years of surgery experience. I have seen the "harvesting" side of organ transplantation. I refuse to be assigned to any "harvests." I will not sign the donor section of my driver's liscense. I discourage anyone who desires to be a donor.
To compare what they do with the Communist Chinese is shameful.
The donor is brought to the operating room on a ventilator. His heart is beating. Often times the donor will move his arms and legs, and may open and close his eyes. He is physically alive.
The donor is not given an anesthetic. The anethesologist's purpose is to keep the patient oxygenated until the heart is removed.
I have seen, when the inscision is made, donors move their arms and legs. Their blood pressure rises, an indication of feeling pain. The night that a donor's right arm broke free of its restraint, and he grabbed the surgeon in the rear end, was my final time to aid and abet the "harvesting" of organs.
So, you decide if the comparison is appropriate. I think so.
If any of you ethically are against transplantation, have the courage just to come out and say it
I am morally and ethically opposed to the "harvesting" of the internal organs for transplantation whether following brain death or cardiac death.
instead of trying to demonize and stigmatize the dedicated, principled and hard working people who often devote their lives to this specialty.
I am certain that there are these people that you describe. However, from seeing the "harvesting" side, all I can say is that calling them vultures is too good of a term.
I worked evenings in the OR of a trauma center. Often times we would be at full capacity with trauma victims. When the organ procurement coordinators were ready, they would demand that we provide them with a room and personnel. They have had the audacity to tell the surgeons to finish up so that they could have the room. They call in the hospital administration if they don't get their way.
The surgeons that I have experience with do it because it is easy money. One surgeon, who only removes the kidneys, brags that he gets $1000.00 per kidney. It takes him less than 2 hours. He likes to boast that it is the easiest $1000.00 per hour he will ever make.
I could go on and on with my experiences. What it comes down to is money. That is big money for the hospitals, the surgeons, the procurement organizations, research scientists, etc.
Guess who doesn't get in on this windfall? The donor and his family. Even the bare minimum for funereal expenses is not provided to the family. Afterall, it's a donation, the gift of life.
Oh yeah. The head of the UCLA transplant program, Dr. Busatil, was the only doctor I've ever heard of who was on "lifestyles of the rich and famous." He made a fortune (apparently millions) from doing liver transplants, even when the recipients died, and even when other groups had much higher survival rates.
Politics aside, this is actually getting to be a real problem. Transplant teams are getting increasingly aggressive about trying to obtain organs. Just last year, doctors in this state beat back an attempt to lobby to change the state laws to make this sort of thing easier.
I'm a firm believer in not giving people an incentive to do the wrong thing. If you check in to a hospital without your organ donor card signed, nobody stands to benefit from your death. If you check in with it signed, however, it's a different story.
Based on what I've seen to date, I'd have to recommend that people consider not donating organs.
Which is why I no longer sign as an organ donor. There is to much incentive to call you "dead" so your organs can be harvested.
I'm sorry -- prayers offered for you and your mom.
I have no problem with people donating their organs; however, there are ways to do it without the standard organ donor card. If it is specified in an advance medical directive that is specifically drawn up for you by an attorney based on YOUR wishes, with guidelines that YOU dictate, it works.
But, if you are using standard boilerplate forms put out by the hospitals then you are probably in trouble.
Actually, yes. But I would not deny someone because they had not.
That is what foetal stem cell harvesting is all about- establishing the principle that living persons can be killed for the benefit of other living persons. That is why a procedure with few demonstrated benefits compared to adult stem cells and amniotic stem cells, etc, from which many benefits are being developed, is promoted so fanatically and why the insistence on government funding. Ultimately it is to be some government agency that is to determine which humans will be killed for the benefit of which other humans.
Your attitudes would be useful in China. You could serve humanity by helping to harvest organs from living patients so that they will be in better condition for transplant. You don't even need to be a doctor. They need folks to hold the patients still. Or are you hoping to make the procedure more open in America?
Perhaps you will have an early opportunity to serve humanity.
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