Skip to comments.BOSNIA: KARADZIC MADE SECRET DEAL WITH U.S. TO SPARE HIM FROM PROSECUTION, PAPER CLAIMS
Posted on 03/22/2007 8:41:56 AM PDT by Bokababe
Banjaluka, 22 March (AKI) - Former Bosnian Serb leader and top war crimes indictee Radovan Karadzic, made a secret deal with the United States in May 1996 to spare him from prosecution in return for abandoning politics and withdrawing from public life, Banjaluka weekly Fokus alleges in its latest issue. Karadzic and his wartime military commander Ratko Mladic are the two top fugitives wanted for trial at the United Nations Yugoslav war crimes tribunal in the Hague.
Fokus published what it claimed is a copy of the alleged pact signed by Karadzic and the chief US mediator in the Balkan conflicts, Richard Holbrooke (who later became US secretary of state). The pact states that Karadzic would be spared from prosecution by the UN tribunal if he resigned from the post of president of the Bosnian Serb entity Republika Srpska (RS), withdrew from politics and refrained from making public statements.
Contacted in the Serbian capital, Belgrade, Vladimir Nadezdin, former aid of Serbian foreign minister Milan Milutinovic on Thursday confirmed the existence of the document. Ive seen it with my own eyes, he told Adnkronos International (AKI) on Thursday.
Karadzic disappeared in 1996, but Holbrooke has repeatedly denied the existence of a document such as that published by Fokus - rumours of which have been circulating for some time. Karadzic has been accused of genocide against Bosnian Muslims and is one of the six indictees accused by UN tribunal who are still at large.
According to Fokus, the document provided for a secure hideaway for Karadzic and a sum of 600,000 dollars to ensure his protection and "decent living conditions." The existence of a secret deal has been confirmed by Karadzics elder brother Luka. "I appeal to the honour, dignity and the office held by Richard Holbrooke to make public the details of the gentleman's agreement which he had signed with my brother Radovan, Luka Karadzic told Fokus.
He said that several former Bosnian Serb officials and Nadezdin, could vouch for the existence of the alleged agreement between Karadic and Holbrooke.
Nadezdin, now working for a state trading company Progres, told AKI that Karadzic forwarded the document to former Serbian president Slobodan Milosevic who was later himself accused of war crimes and died in the Hague jail in March last year. The document should still be in the foreign ministry archives, if it wasnt destroyed in a suspicious fire there two years ago, Nadezdin said.
He contested, however, Fokus' report that 600,000 dollars was part of the deal and said that Karadzics signature on the document published by Fokus seemed to have been forged, but could not explain the alleged discrepancies.
The behaviour of the international community, which seems to be giving priority to the arrest of Mladic over Karadic, is grist to the mill of those who believe in the existence of the alleged pact.
Could you imagine how the MSM would have been all over President Bush if he did something similar in Iraq?
Another Clintoon diplomatic trioomph!
Anybody with half a brain.
Cooperation is your obligation, and it is in your interests. You owe it to your neighbors and yourselves to make a real effort to arrest the fugitives and indicted criminals Ratko Mladic and Radovan Karadzic and transfer them to The Hague. No man is above justice. As more and more Serbs say, no one should make a nation pay because he refuses to stand trial.
Daniel Fried, Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs, Belgrade, 3/7/07
But whatever - if you want to believe this BS, have at it. In fact, I encourage you to do so, as if you or any of your friends can get Karadzic to avail himself of this supposed immunity, you could pick up the $5 million reward we have in place for information leading to his arrest without having to worry about his ever being held accountable for his actions.
A few token ones, who like Naser Oric, will get off with time served -- if they are convicted at all --or if they are even charged.
Personally, I would have no problem whatever if this deal were made. But then to turn around and perpetually beat up Serbia for "not turning over Karadzic", if we were the ones helped him escape? That would be pretty sick.
Hopeless, you are really a simpleton when it comes to politics. Go take up crochet -- it's more your speed!
And you prefer fantasy to reality.
News flash, Boka - reality's always gonna win.
Yes, and they would have been all over it at the first whiff of a potential scandal, true or not.
Unfortunately, to a large extent, because Clinton's actions in the Balkans were never subject real scrutiny, I think that President Bush also thought that he might not be forced to answer a lot of hard questions re Iraq. But given the Liberal bent of the media, this was not true. What was true for the goose was not true for the gander. Clinton was literally allowed to get away with murder, while Bush gets grilled for every detail and potential detail.
"It just wasn't 'hip' to protest Clinton's wars." - Janeane Garofalo.
Yes, "reality" does win, Hopeless. And "reality" was that pre-Bush Sr., a policy of removing dictators from power by offering them a deal and not prosecuting them (or forcing them to be prosecuted), was official US policy for many years. The Shah of Iran & Marcos would good examples of that. Offer them deals to leave office and live out their lives in exile, thereby removing reasons and means for a civil war in their countries. There is even a specific doctrine in international relations that describes this policy, although I can't recall its name off the top of my head.
Bone up or shut up, Hopeless. You don't have a corner on "reality".
its a deal i believe and the 'beating up' is over Mladic and other stubborness the Serb govt has towards Kosovo and other anti-Serb policies.
What - like find, say, current statements from US officials pertaining to the matter or any potential rewards for Karadzic presently offered by the US Government?
What a wonderful idea - I doubt, however, that if I found them and provided them to you, that you'd take any note whatsoever, and would simply continue to exclude such facts or evidence from the bizarre process which you utilize to arrive at your opinions.
I didn't write the article, Hopeless. I posted it. "Who knows?" isn't exactly and argument "for it".
But as for the possibility of the US having one overt "foreign policy" for public consumption and another covert program that contradicts its other public policy statements -- nah that could never happen! Just ask Oliver North!
You're right - it's an admission that you lack the critical thinking and investigative skills to figure something out for yourself.
It is very simple and if brought to trial, the dirt will be aired and will be heard this time around with more credibility. Neither the Dems nor Republics want these two brought to trial.
The pot has spoken.
Oooh my, the thought that the US might not be 100% behind your Islamofascist heroes does bring out the "Lions & tigers & bears, oh my!" in you doesn't it? Kind of fun to watch!
Speak for yourself, ma bell, not me. And quit behaving like you are "the adult" here. It's rude & uncalled for.
And most especially, Holbrooke!
Richard C. Holbrooke, former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, on the left, enjoying company with a Kosovo Albanian Florin Krasniqi, a weapons smuggler from New York pictured in the middle, and Wesley Clark on the right at a political fundraiser for John Kerry.
But really, the sentencing scheme is baloney. All of these guys, Bos, Serb, Cro, never got more than five to ten years for crimes that would have guuaranteed a haning in Nuremberg, or Iraq for that matter.
Isn't that the guy from that docu-movie...? "The Brooklyn Connection" or something?
Especially when you're not acute enough to realize you're simply reinforcing my point regarding your intellectual abilities with each successive post.
Have as much fun with it as you see fit.
"War crimes" my ass. Clinton told us there were "mass graves" all over the Balkans from Muslims the Serbs murdered. I remember Holbrooke saying perhaps 200,000 civilians were "exterminated". Where are they? Where are all these tens of thousands of corpses? I don't see the media blasting Clinton and Wes Clark for destroying Serbia and killing 4,000 civilians for "bad intelligence". Meanwhile people carp about "no WMDs" in Iraq, however we have already found 50 times as many bodies in mass graves as we ever found in all of the Balkans. Yet we are told that Iraq was "better off with Saddam". Hypocrites!
Yes. Shortly aster this scene, Krasniqi says, "Here, Mr. Holbrooke, come see YOUR KLA!" And Holbrooke smiles for pictures with them.
Ever read some of what one of the original prosecutors from the Nurenberg Trials, Walter Rockler, had to say about the NATO Bombing of Yugoslavia and the ICTY?
"What have we accomplished? What is this triumph? The triumph, in my judgment, is to undermine the UN Charter; destroy a substantial part of the Nuremberg judgments directed at Nazi war criminals; and reduce an imperfect international law to something more closely resembling anarchy and the use of untrammelled power.
NATO, which was originally conceived to be a defensive alliance under the umbrella of the Security Council of the U.N., has been transformed into an instrument for aggression and that is my primary thesis.
The thing that I find particularly offensive to this campaign is that I am a citizen of the United States and it's being done in my name. I object to that. I just don't have the characteristics used to describe a "good German." A "good German," for those of you who do not know what the expression means, was someone who did whatever his government told him to do."
Rockler was vehemently against the comparison of the ICTY to Nurenberg, and called the ICTY "legal anarchy".
The U.S. killed far more Vietnam civilians than the total of the Bosnian 3-way civil war killed (including military), and no one served any time for that. The mass murderer of My Lai only received 3 years of house arrest, then was pardoned.
So you're telling us you have no idea whatsoever?
just i knew what "stuff happens" and sort/kinda knew what was happening, hot stuff...:) of that time... stuff that you dont have privy too. but, ive seen the dark side of it and its not what you think it is.
"You are outright lying as several Serbs have gotten longer sentences, including life sentences of 40 yrs., 44 yrs., etc."
I stand corrected. I made a mistake and I did not lie. Still, if someone is guilty for crimes such as torture, rape, and murder, is a sentence of 40-50 years appropriate?
I bet these assinine sentences are the same for the case of Rwanda. The UN Criminal Court is a joke. Justice has been better executed at Nuremberg, Tokyo, and Iraq.
"The U.S. killed far more Vietnam civilians than the total of the Bosnian 3-way civil war killed (including military), and no one served any time for that. The mass murderer of My Lai only received 3 years of house arrest, then was pardoned."
It was not US policy to murder civillians. We did everything in our power to stop Vietnamese civillians from getting killed. No such considerations were given in Bosnia/Kosovo. That's the difference.
Don't buy the liberal line on My Lai. What actually happened is not that clear, which may help explain the sentencing. In fact, there was even a high likelihood that the three years for Calley was too much.
Counterpunch is a socialist hippie site while the other site you used is opposed to every war since Korea. There are much, much better sources.
This doesn't change the fact that the UN Courts are a joke and the sentences are ludicrous.
Correct. But back in 1999, everyone was so "rah, rah, let's kill Serbs", that even someone like Walter Rockler, a real Nurenberg prosecutor, couldn't get a respectable media audience.
The great irony was that this was in spite of the fact that the ICTY was being compared to "Nurenberg", Clinton & Blair were being compared to "Roosevelt and Churchill", and Islamofacists in Bosnia & Kosovo were being compared to "WWII Jews" by both our politicans and the media. Who better to comment on the comparison than someone who lived through both and was part of the Nurenberg trials? Unless it was just all war propaganda and they couldn't afford close scrutiny-- which it was and they couldn't.
Yeah, I remembered the mania. It was like the Serbs are pure evil and the Croats and Muslims are all sweetness and light. What we are doing in Iraq now serves as a good example of what should have been done. If the Shias are out of line, we smack them. Same with the Sunnis.
No idea how you're going to spin the following, sure:
Daily Press Briefing
Sean McCormack, Spokesman
March 23, 2007
QUESTION: Do you have any comment on this information about Radovan Karadzic? Apparently, the newspaper in Montenegro published again information about an agreement he would have passed with Richard Holbrooke --
MR. MCCORMACK: Right.
QUESTION: -- to grant him immunity. Can you --
MR. MCCORMACK: Right. You know, I've checked into this with people here in the Department. They've said absolutely false. The people have checked with Ambassador Holbrooke. He has told them absolutely false. The United States does not and will not stand aside and allow war criminals to escape the hands of justice. We continue to call for his being handed over to The Hague so that he can face justice for the crimes that he has committed.
QUESTION: So how do you explain these rumors which you are facing now?
MR. MCCORMACK: I -- you know, I can't explain it.
Maybe you could get a job with the State Dept and help folks like Mr. McCormack explain how some folks are so gullible?
If you only had a brain...
And we know Dhimmis are completely lacking in Courage as well.
So in the course of further proving my point, I've gone from half a brain to no brain?
Serb logic remains effing ineffable.
You can bring up all the links your little habib heart desires. The fact remains those sites are disposed to present their information that supports their agenda. Get real, all of us here understands that. When it is perpetual, you begin showing your vile hatred and you lose people that are newbies to the Balkan misinformation news machinery.
Heck, when you drop the KFC Tysons chicken into the wrong fryer, didnt you ever deny doing it to your KFC Asst Manager or you did the honorable thing and fess up?
Come now...its like two dogs screwing in the parking lot...>)
It would be more accurate to say that in proving one's Dhimmitude, one's intellectual incapacity is also called into question.
We all can guess which one is the pancake flipper!