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'Freedom Is About Authority': Excerpts From Giuliani Speech on Crime
New York Times ^ | March 22, 2007

Posted on 03/22/2007 11:28:22 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

...We constantly present the false impression that government can solve problems that government in America was designed not to solve. Families are significantly less important in the development of children today than they were 30 or 40 years ago. Religion has less influence than it did 30 or 40 years ago. Communities don't mean what they meant 30 or 40 years ago.

As Americans, we're not sure we share values. We're sometimes even afraid to use the word values. We talk about teaching ethics in schools -- people say, "What ethics? Whose ethics? Maybe we can't." And they confuse that with teaching of religion. And we are afraid to reaffirm the basics upon which a lawful and a decent society are based. We're almost embarrassed by it.

.... What we don't see is that freedom is not a concept in which people can do anything they want, be anything they can be. Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do.

... The fact is that we're fooling people if we suggest to them the solutions to these very, very deep-seated problems are going to be found in government.

... They are going to have to be just as solid and just as strong in teaching every single youngster their responsibility for citizenship. We're going to find the answer when schools once again train citizens. Schools exist in America and have always existed to train responsible citizens of the United States of America.

If they don't do that, it's very hard to hold us together as a country, because it's shared values that hold us together.

(Excerpt) Read more at query.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: electionpresident; fascistnotamerican; freedom; freedomisslavery; giuliani; ignoranceisstrength; rudy; rudygiuliani; rudytherino; stoprudy2008; warispeace
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The concept of English rule of law.

Go to link and read parts I had to cut to fit into excerpt format.

1 posted on 03/22/2007 11:28:26 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: pissant; Reagan Man; EternalVigilance; narses; Spiff; Fierce Allegiance; NapkinUser

"Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do."

If hillary clinton had said that, people here would be ripping her left and right.

But since it's a guy with an (R) by his name, it will be praised as an act of courage by somoene who is 'tough on crime'.

Don't you just love it?


2 posted on 03/22/2007 11:32:13 AM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: flashbunny

"someone" not "somoene". Grr.


3 posted on 03/22/2007 11:32:47 AM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: flashbunny

Good grief


4 posted on 03/22/2007 11:33:50 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: flashbunny

The ultimate authority rests with the people.

Rudy won't have my support.


5 posted on 03/22/2007 11:36:02 AM PDT by wastedyears ("These colours don't run, from cold bloody war." - Steve Harris, Bruce Dickinson)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

War Is Peace.
Freedom is Slavery.
Ignorance is Strength.


6 posted on 03/22/2007 11:36:05 AM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: flashbunny

what ever happened to "anyone elses lawful freedom ends where my lawful freedom begins"? (or however it went)


7 posted on 03/22/2007 11:36:13 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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And about this 'training' the children... training them for what?


8 posted on 03/22/2007 11:36:49 AM PDT by wastedyears ("These colours don't run, from cold bloody war." - Steve Harris, Bruce Dickinson)
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To: flashbunny
Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do.

Actually, that's close to what John Locke said.

But I doubt Rudy means it in quite the same way.

9 posted on 03/22/2007 11:40:31 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (The anti-libertarian Neo-Ciceronian)
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To: wastedyears

He sure has set one Hell of an example for his kids!


10 posted on 03/22/2007 11:41:34 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: flashbunny

Stupidity is intelligence :P

I don't know what irritates me more. The fact he's running as a Republican or the fact that the RNC hasn't come out vehemently against him refuting his policies as being too liberal for the Republican Party.

I think the latter irritates me more actually...


11 posted on 03/22/2007 11:42:58 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

gotta love that 'big tent'.


12 posted on 03/22/2007 11:44:25 AM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: flashbunny

I'll love it when someone sets fire to it :)


13 posted on 03/22/2007 11:45:16 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Schools exist in America and have always existed to train responsible citizens of the United States of America.

If they don't do that, it's very hard to hold us together as a country, because it's shared values that hold us together.

Hmmmm... I read something like this today... 5 'well-educated' kids put in state custody

14 posted on 03/22/2007 11:46:29 AM PDT by pgyanke (RUDY GIULIANI 2008 - BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GOING TO COMPROMISE YOUR PRINCIPLES ANYWAY... WHY WAIT?)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

Sometimes I think of the 'big tent' philosophy and the saying "I'd rather have some on the inside peeing out than someone on the outside peeing in". The problem with the liberals in the GOP is that they're on the inside peeing on everything else inside.


15 posted on 03/22/2007 11:47:54 AM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

As one Rudybot posted last week, America is a cesspool and Rudie is a cesspool expert.


16 posted on 03/22/2007 11:49:52 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody want a peanut.....)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

He is a broken record. Just ignore him. Everyone else does.


17 posted on 03/22/2007 11:54:24 AM PDT by beansox (burn a fire in our hearts for the battle at hand)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Rather hypocritical of Rudy, considering he turned New York City into a safe haven for illegal immigrants...


18 posted on 03/22/2007 11:55:35 AM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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To: flashbunny

*sniff* *sniff* someone get the flasherbunny a tissue...he feels peed on and suffers from tent envy. *sniff*



ROFLMAO!


19 posted on 03/22/2007 11:56:18 AM PDT by beansox (burn a fire in our hearts for the battle at hand)
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To: beansox

I fully intend to


20 posted on 03/22/2007 11:57:33 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

btw, WHO is Duncan Hunter?


21 posted on 03/22/2007 11:58:36 AM PDT by beansox (burn a fire in our hearts for the battle at hand)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do and how you do it." -Mayor Giuliani, New York Newsday pg A3 4/20/98

"State authority must provide for peace and order, and peace and order in turn must conversely make possible the existence of state authority. Within these two poles all life must now revolve...Ideas of 'freedom,' mostly of a misunderstood nature, inject themselves into the state conceptions of these circles". -Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf

22 posted on 03/22/2007 11:59:16 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (There are 2 types of Rudy fans - the uninformed or anti-conservative TROLLS who do not belong on FR)
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To: beansox
WHO is Duncan Hunter?

A conservative. I can see why such a man would be an unknown entity to many Rudy boosters.

23 posted on 03/22/2007 12:00:15 PM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Families are significantly less important in the development of children today than they were 30 or 40 years ago.

Maybe that's because Rudy's homosexual activists friends have constantly been trying to undermine the importance of the nuclear family.

24 posted on 03/22/2007 12:00:25 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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To: beansox

One thing about you RINO lovers- you are funny.

Just not intentionally so.

In case you didn't get that, I mean you people funny in a "laughing at" way, not a "laughing with" way.


25 posted on 03/22/2007 12:00:54 PM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: Fierce Allegiance

Oh boy ...now you guys are pulling out Hitler refrences..and here I thought that was a tactic used mostly by DUmmies against Bush.


y a w n


26 posted on 03/22/2007 12:00:57 PM PDT by beansox (burn a fire in our hearts for the battle at hand)
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To: Fierce Allegiance

Heya, Fierce. Good to see ya' back.


27 posted on 03/22/2007 12:01:09 PM PDT by Enosh ()
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To: dirtboy

She knows who duncan hunter is. She's just trying to be funny.

Just like other liberals, she is not.


28 posted on 03/22/2007 12:01:44 PM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do.

Gawd, talk about having it bass-ackwards. Freedom is having lawful authority butting out of your business if you are not breaking the law, and only passing laws that truly deal with public safety and not nanny-state social engineering.

29 posted on 03/22/2007 12:01:50 PM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: flashbunny

Actually I am hillarious. Intentionally so.

No need to dumb down your posts, this isnt like your home turf, DU.


30 posted on 03/22/2007 12:02:05 PM PDT by beansox (burn a fire in our hearts for the battle at hand)
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To: beansox

Funny, you're the one supporting the most liberal candidate in the field.

And just like on the thread where you exposed your true self yesterday, you use the liberal tactics to achieve your aim.


31 posted on 03/22/2007 12:03:48 PM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: beansox
Actually I am hillarious. Intentionally so.

You apparently are the type who laughs at your own punch lines.

No need to dumb down your posts, this isnt like your home turf, DU.

You're the one pushing a liberal. So not only are you self-amused, you're self-delusional as well.

32 posted on 03/22/2007 12:04:24 PM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: dirtboy

Actually he his unknown to anyone outside of FR.


He better step up his game if he wants to be a contender.


33 posted on 03/22/2007 12:04:42 PM PDT by beansox (burn a fire in our hearts for the battle at hand)
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To: dirtboy

"You apparently are the type who laughs at your own punch lines."

Especially the funny ones.

"You're the one pushing a liberal. So not only are you self-amused, you're self-delusional as well."

Actually I am not pushing anyone. I was merely commenting on thread posted on a discussion forum....you know...where people "discuss" things?


34 posted on 03/22/2007 12:06:12 PM PDT by beansox (burn a fire in our hearts for the battle at hand)
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To: beansox
Actually he his unknown to anyone outside of FR. He better step up his game if he wants to be a contender.

Well, if he doesn't, we hopefully will have Fred Thompson enter the race. It's been fun so far watching Fred make the Rudy boosters squeal like pigs being offloaded from trucks at Hatfield Meats - and for the exact same reason.

35 posted on 03/22/2007 12:06:15 PM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: beansox

Did (can?) you read the references and not how eerily similar they seem? Kind of scary, huh?

BTW, I checked out your myspace page. No wonder you like Rudy.

Friggin liberals and the ilk they hang out with. Unnngh.


36 posted on 03/22/2007 12:07:00 PM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (There are 2 types of Rudy fans - the uninformed or anti-conservative TROLLS who do not belong on FR)
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To: beansox
Especially the funny ones.

Hint - you're the only one laughing.

Actually I am not pushing anyone. I was merely commenting on thread posted on a discussion forum....you know...where people "discuss" things?

No, you are just spewing banalities. So you laugh at your own jokes that no one else finds funny, and you call spewing non-topical one-liners debate.

Any other self-delusions you wish to share with us this afternoon? Maybe you can put your mother on speaker as well.

37 posted on 03/22/2007 12:07:45 PM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: flashbunny

"Funny, you're the one supporting the most liberal candidate in the field."


On the contrary, Im supporting the man who can and most likely will win. Meanwhile, you are still trying figure out how to raise your guys profile, so that people outside of politcal blogs will get a chance to hear his message.


38 posted on 03/22/2007 12:08:29 PM PDT by beansox (burn a fire in our hearts for the battle at hand)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength.


39 posted on 03/22/2007 12:09:03 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: dirtboy

All that...and it still doesnt take away from the fact that NOBODY even knows who Duncan Hunter is!


40 posted on 03/22/2007 12:09:21 PM PDT by beansox (burn a fire in our hearts for the battle at hand)
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To: Enosh

Thankyouverymuch! Nice to be back. Areafiftyone, or someone, claimed I was making personal attacks and no such thing happened. Oh well, the break was nice. I only hit reply about one or two hundred times to see the blue screen of timeout.

This will get straightened out in time, and the liars will get the punishment I got, and then some.


41 posted on 03/22/2007 12:10:04 PM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (There are 2 types of Rudy fans - the uninformed or anti-conservative TROLLS who do not belong on FR)
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To: flashbunny

I guess you missed your 8th grade civics class. Complete freedom has another name: Anarchy. Even a formerly maggot-infested, dope smoking, Hippie, pinko like me (35 years ago)can understand that freedom is not absolute.

That said, I believe in American Exceptionalism in the most important sense that our Judeo-Christian Constitutional framers clearly believed that God was the source of our natural liberties, not government. Flashbunny, have you ever heard of the Ten Commandments?


42 posted on 03/22/2007 12:10:32 PM PDT by neocon1984 (end the idiocy of post-modernism)
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To: beansox

They're used incorrectly against Bush.


46 posted on 03/22/2007 12:12:48 PM PDT by wastedyears ("These colours don't run, from cold bloody war." - Steve Harris, Bruce Dickinson)
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To: beansox

"Meanwhile, you are still trying figure out how to raise your guys profile, so that people outside of politcal blogs will get a chance to hear his message."

Who is "my guy"?

Do you have memory problems too? I said yesterday that I'm not supporting anyone yet, ergo there is no "my guy".


47 posted on 03/22/2007 12:13:58 PM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: beansox

I've seen many trolls with signup dates back to 1998. It means little. Your liberal political ideology and actions here indicate you are a troll.


48 posted on 03/22/2007 12:14:52 PM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (There are 2 types of Rudy fans - the uninformed or anti-conservative TROLLS who do not belong on FR)
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To: neocon1984
I have, but that has nothing to do with rudy's views on individual freedom. Here is the most important part besides his 1984ish statement:

"cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do".

It's that "great deal of authority" part that is the real problem. It runs contrary to the principles on which this country was founded.
49 posted on 03/22/2007 12:17:26 PM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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