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'Freedom Is About Authority': Excerpts From Giuliani Speech on Crime
New York Times ^ | March 22, 2007

Posted on 03/22/2007 11:28:22 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

...We constantly present the false impression that government can solve problems that government in America was designed not to solve. Families are significantly less important in the development of children today than they were 30 or 40 years ago. Religion has less influence than it did 30 or 40 years ago. Communities don't mean what they meant 30 or 40 years ago.

As Americans, we're not sure we share values. We're sometimes even afraid to use the word values. We talk about teaching ethics in schools -- people say, "What ethics? Whose ethics? Maybe we can't." And they confuse that with teaching of religion. And we are afraid to reaffirm the basics upon which a lawful and a decent society are based. We're almost embarrassed by it.

.... What we don't see is that freedom is not a concept in which people can do anything they want, be anything they can be. Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do.

... The fact is that we're fooling people if we suggest to them the solutions to these very, very deep-seated problems are going to be found in government.

... They are going to have to be just as solid and just as strong in teaching every single youngster their responsibility for citizenship. We're going to find the answer when schools once again train citizens. Schools exist in America and have always existed to train responsible citizens of the United States of America.

If they don't do that, it's very hard to hold us together as a country, because it's shared values that hold us together.

(Excerpt) Read more at query.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: electionpresident; fascistnotamerican; freedom; freedomisslavery; giuliani; ignoranceisstrength; rudy; rudygiuliani; rudytherino; stoprudy2008; warispeace
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The concept of English rule of law.

Go to link and read parts I had to cut to fit into excerpt format.

1 posted on 03/22/2007 11:28:26 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: pissant; Reagan Man; EternalVigilance; narses; Spiff; Fierce Allegiance; NapkinUser

"Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do."

If hillary clinton had said that, people here would be ripping her left and right.

But since it's a guy with an (R) by his name, it will be praised as an act of courage by somoene who is 'tough on crime'.

Don't you just love it?


2 posted on 03/22/2007 11:32:13 AM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: flashbunny

"someone" not "somoene". Grr.


3 posted on 03/22/2007 11:32:47 AM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: flashbunny

Good grief


4 posted on 03/22/2007 11:33:50 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: flashbunny

The ultimate authority rests with the people.

Rudy won't have my support.


5 posted on 03/22/2007 11:36:02 AM PDT by wastedyears ("These colours don't run, from cold bloody war." - Steve Harris, Bruce Dickinson)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

War Is Peace.
Freedom is Slavery.
Ignorance is Strength.


6 posted on 03/22/2007 11:36:05 AM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: flashbunny

what ever happened to "anyone elses lawful freedom ends where my lawful freedom begins"? (or however it went)


7 posted on 03/22/2007 11:36:13 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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And about this 'training' the children... training them for what?


8 posted on 03/22/2007 11:36:49 AM PDT by wastedyears ("These colours don't run, from cold bloody war." - Steve Harris, Bruce Dickinson)
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To: flashbunny
Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do.

Actually, that's close to what John Locke said.

But I doubt Rudy means it in quite the same way.

9 posted on 03/22/2007 11:40:31 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (The anti-libertarian Neo-Ciceronian)
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To: wastedyears

He sure has set one Hell of an example for his kids!


10 posted on 03/22/2007 11:41:34 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: flashbunny

Stupidity is intelligence :P

I don't know what irritates me more. The fact he's running as a Republican or the fact that the RNC hasn't come out vehemently against him refuting his policies as being too liberal for the Republican Party.

I think the latter irritates me more actually...


11 posted on 03/22/2007 11:42:58 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

gotta love that 'big tent'.


12 posted on 03/22/2007 11:44:25 AM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: flashbunny

I'll love it when someone sets fire to it :)


13 posted on 03/22/2007 11:45:16 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Schools exist in America and have always existed to train responsible citizens of the United States of America.

If they don't do that, it's very hard to hold us together as a country, because it's shared values that hold us together.

Hmmmm... I read something like this today... 5 'well-educated' kids put in state custody

14 posted on 03/22/2007 11:46:29 AM PDT by pgyanke (RUDY GIULIANI 2008 - BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GOING TO COMPROMISE YOUR PRINCIPLES ANYWAY... WHY WAIT?)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

Sometimes I think of the 'big tent' philosophy and the saying "I'd rather have some on the inside peeing out than someone on the outside peeing in". The problem with the liberals in the GOP is that they're on the inside peeing on everything else inside.


15 posted on 03/22/2007 11:47:54 AM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

As one Rudybot posted last week, America is a cesspool and Rudie is a cesspool expert.


16 posted on 03/22/2007 11:49:52 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody want a peanut.....)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

He is a broken record. Just ignore him. Everyone else does.


17 posted on 03/22/2007 11:54:24 AM PDT by beansox (burn a fire in our hearts for the battle at hand)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Rather hypocritical of Rudy, considering he turned New York City into a safe haven for illegal immigrants...


18 posted on 03/22/2007 11:55:35 AM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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To: flashbunny

*sniff* *sniff* someone get the flasherbunny a tissue...he feels peed on and suffers from tent envy. *sniff*



ROFLMAO!


19 posted on 03/22/2007 11:56:18 AM PDT by beansox (burn a fire in our hearts for the battle at hand)
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To: beansox

I fully intend to


20 posted on 03/22/2007 11:57:33 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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