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Baptist: Giuliani won't get our votes
News and Observer ^ | 3/22/07 | Yonat Shimron

Posted on 03/22/2007 4:24:28 PM PDT by pissant

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To: pissant
As for Mitt Romney, the former governor of Massachusetts, who is a Mormon, Land didn't rule him out. But, he said, the Republican hopeful has to convince the American people that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints won't dictate his policy.

What an odd thing to say. Is there any reason to believe that the LDS Church has dictated Romney's policies in the past?

If the Church did tell LDS politicians what to do, Harry Reid would not be such a left-wing idiot.

51 posted on 03/22/2007 4:58:14 PM PDT by Logophile
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To: HitmanLV
He's just trying to lead his "flock."

I'm sure they'll get sheared.

52 posted on 03/22/2007 4:58:36 PM PDT by wireman
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To: traditional1

OK. How's this. He is innocent of the fetid BS accusations of wrongdoing that you are insinuating. Better?


53 posted on 03/22/2007 4:58:43 PM PDT by pissant (http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: pissant

Ummm, excuse me, haven't you heard already that the evangelicals are committed to voting for Rudy? Yep, according to the Rudybots, the evangelical vote is locked up. No reason to believe this article. If the Rudybots say it--we gotta believe it!


54 posted on 03/22/2007 4:59:57 PM PDT by dmw (Aren't you glad you use common sense, don't you wish everybody did?)
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To: pissant
It's amazing how accusations are always fetid and full of BS when leveled against a candidate one supports!
55 posted on 03/22/2007 5:01:08 PM PDT by wireman
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To: ReleaseTheHounds
I suppose the Southern Baptists will happily vote for once-married Hillary Rodham Clinton in the upcoming election.

That is one of the assine statements ever to appear on FR. Why would any Southern Baptist vote for a pro-abortion bisexual?

56 posted on 03/22/2007 5:02:56 PM PDT by thiscouldbemoreconfusing
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To: Retired Chemist
They'd rather have Hillary Clinton?

I wouldn't but as Orwell said:

"The source of the trouble appeared to be that Napoleon and Mr. Pilkington had each played an ace of spades simultaneously. Twelve voices were shouting in anger, and they were all alike. No question, now, what had happened to the faces of the pigs. The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."

57 posted on 03/22/2007 5:03:37 PM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: pissant
"He is innocent of the fetid BS accusations of wrongdoing that you are insinuating. Better?"

Much better stated....but not accurate.

He accepted donations and he and Cunningham steered contracts for political contribution support from defense contracts, IMHO.

Besides, the reason he's un-electable nation-wide, and would cost the Republicans the White House in 2008 is because he is unknown nationally, literally, and doesn't have the funds to compete. He would be obliterated by the Klintoon machine in the MSM/airwaves, and no amount of conservative values he holds would gain him enough support from the "middle".

Fred Thompson has nation-wide recognition, minimal baggage, and could pull a "Reagan" in the 2008 election.

58 posted on 03/22/2007 5:04:44 PM PDT by traditional1
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To: Past Your Eyes; TommyDale
Of all people, Southern Baptists, or any Christians for that matter, should believe in repentance and redemption

What's your point?

59 posted on 03/22/2007 5:04:56 PM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: capt. norm

This is a conservative website. These articles are the antidote to the liberals here posting "rah rah Rudy's leading the pack " polls.

Hillary means nothing right now. She will never again see the oval office. This is the primary, the time to separate the libs from the conservatives in the GOP.

It might not matter to you that Baptists are leary of Rudy, or that he's a gun grabbing dunce. But it matters to alot of others.


60 posted on 03/22/2007 5:05:22 PM PDT by pissant (http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: dmw
haven't you heard already that the evangelicals are committed to voting for Rudy?

..there are always some Tony Campolo types who will support any leftist cause...

Campolo BTW was Clinton's "spiritual adviser" during the Impeachment...

61 posted on 03/22/2007 5:05:52 PM PDT by WalterSkinner ( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
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To: ReleaseTheHounds
Yes, but look at that pristine only married once record! And let's not forget that Ronald Reagan had a broken marriange and was rather estranged from his son -- he turned out to be an OK president, didn't he?

I certainly am not one to hold one's past against them. Unless they're still living that way today. Or they just have plain bad ideas, just different bad ideas than they used to.

62 posted on 03/22/2007 5:05:58 PM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: Politicalmom

Neither have I. But neither have I ruled it out. That's quite a bit above my pay grade. Pretty soon we're all going to have eaten each other up and we'll end up with Hillary or some other horrible result. Is that what we want?


63 posted on 03/22/2007 5:05:59 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (Some people are too stupid to be ashamed.)
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To: JFC
Southern Baptist have a way with JUDGING Others! I do not like that about them..............

Is that a judgement?

64 posted on 03/22/2007 5:06:19 PM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: HitmanLV
but the idea that two marriages is ok, but three is one too much, strikes me as strange, silly, and unintentionally comical.

I dunno. Every time someone screws up a big decision like that it ups the ante that they'd be bad at making other big decisions... they haven't learned from their mistakes.

Granted, he may only be bad at making relationship decisions. However relationships do play a big part in our day to day worklife too so it's not like that has no impact.

I still don't like some of his ideas, wonderfully as he may have handled 911.

65 posted on 03/22/2007 5:08:09 PM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: WalterSkinner
You are so right. I have been going to a large SBC since 1983 and I am very proud of our minister who is teaching word for word from the Bible. Why is that so hard for other denominations to do that? We have had the same minister since the late 1970's.
66 posted on 03/22/2007 5:08:57 PM PDT by MamaB
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To: dmw
Yep, according to the Rudybots, the evangelical vote is locked up. No reason to believe this article. If the Rudybots say it--we gotta believe it!

Another factor working against an evangelical preferred GOP nominee is the broad dissatisfaction in the general electorate, and among many in the GOP, of the latest evangelical seal-of-approval nominee, Dubya.

He was (and is) their baby and he has fallen flat on his arse, unable to make a coherent statement, a cogent argument, or a persuasive point. He has fallen and can't get up. I don't blame folks for being alienated by the evangelicals' taste in leaders, given they delivered us a president who many, many people are dissatisfied with.

67 posted on 03/22/2007 5:09:06 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do suck seed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: traditional1

yes, in your opinion. Show me a article from a mainstream publication or a serious conservative one (lib blogs don't count) that accuse Hunter of ANY wrongdoing.

Only one reaganite in the race. I will support him as he climbs his way to the top tier. Fred's a decent fellow, don't get me wrong. I won't care if he joins the fracas.


68 posted on 03/22/2007 5:10:14 PM PDT by pissant (http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: Neu Pragmatist
They just won't vote , it's plain and simple. I suspect many gun owners will sit it out as well.

I'm kinda feeling that way myself. We're approaching a critical mass or something where we have to stop thinking pragmatically and act according to principle, or these incrementalists will never get the point that they're headed the wrong way.

(LIBERALS : -- ROMNEY DEFEATS THEM -- RUDY GUNBANDIANI EMBRACES THEM !)

lol that reminds me of a quote I heard (actually on Prairie Home Companion's joke night): "People say that democrats don't stand for anything... that's not true - we do stand for anything!"

69 posted on 03/22/2007 5:10:57 PM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: MamaB
We have had the same minister since the late 1970's.

..I love hearing things like this--God bless you and your church...

70 posted on 03/22/2007 5:11:15 PM PDT by WalterSkinner ( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
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To: pissant
This is a conservative website.

Well it used to be a conservative website. I'm surprised that the Rubybots haven't declared victory over Jim Robinson and renamed this place "RudyWorld."

71 posted on 03/22/2007 5:12:04 PM PDT by politicalwit (Family values don't stop at the border...but Federal laws do.)
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To: HitmanLV
His level of significance reminds me of the fall of that Haggard fellow, the guy who the MSM insisted was so famous despite the fact that nobody seemed to know much about him.

These people are well- known among evangelicals. Both of them. Anyway, Land seems to be very far removed in persona from the flambuoyant Haggard.

72 posted on 03/22/2007 5:12:06 PM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: HitmanLV
Sometimes the reason for the divorce has to do with the other person in the relationship.

Sometimes. So why did he pick another loser?

73 posted on 03/22/2007 5:12:37 PM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: Terriergal
Well, the problem with marriage and divorce is that there are two parties involved.

A person can be a good, decent spouse, and their husband or bride may come home one day and tell them that they met someone else, the sex is much better, etc etc. They want out.

That may, or may not, have much to do with the person getting dumped on.

This can happen to anyone - a person can be a wonderfully compatible spouse for years, and then get all loosey goosey on you if the catalyst is there. Divorce is not necessarily a stern indictment of both spouses.
74 posted on 03/22/2007 5:12:39 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do suck seed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: pissant
No problem with promoting conservativism.

Obsessing over one candidate this early on......just plain weird.

75 posted on 03/22/2007 5:12:41 PM PDT by capt. norm (Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for.)
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To: Terriergal

I never heard of them, and most people haven't. I guess they are rock stars in the evangelical movement. If that is the case, at least in Haggard's case, they need better taste in rock stars.


76 posted on 03/22/2007 5:14:13 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do suck seed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: capt. norm
If you were half as much anti-Hillary as your are anti-Rudy

I think the Anti-Hillary thing is assumed around here. It's not worth discussing at length, see.

I'm against, ya know, *Satan* but I spend more time trying to expose unfaithful shepherds who claim to be Christian but lead the church away from the truth. Get it?

77 posted on 03/22/2007 5:14:18 PM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: capt. norm; Jim Robinson

I wouldn't even bother if I did not see 15 articles each day promoting him here. Jimrob is getting some serious heartburn, I'm sure. LOL


78 posted on 03/22/2007 5:15:07 PM PDT by pissant (http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: Politicalmom
I see no signs of repentance.

Repentance? What's that? Sounds like a big theological word they don't use in today's churches anymore. :-\

79 posted on 03/22/2007 5:15:42 PM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: WalterSkinner; JFC
But don't besmirch all Southern Baptists--all 16 Million of them.

Yeah, that would be... judgemental.

If you have a problem with using the Bible as the standard--then that is another, deeper spiritual issue...

totally agree.

80 posted on 03/22/2007 5:16:36 PM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: Terriergal

People change, as difficult as it is for a lot of folks on FR to absorb. A couple can be happily married and then something happens that disrupts it. It happens, what else is there to say?


81 posted on 03/22/2007 5:16:55 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do suck seed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: HitmanLV

So, what do you suggest? Vote for a liberal republican and get "democrat light"?

Who are you supporting?


82 posted on 03/22/2007 5:16:56 PM PDT by dmw (Aren't you glad you use common sense, don't you wish everybody did?)
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To: politicalwit

They are still vastly outnumbered, so no victory, just an annoyance. And if they would argue on the merits and explain why they are willing to support the guy that'd be one thing, but it's "do you want Hillary" or "he's the leader of the polls, so don't try to undercut him" stuff that gets old.


83 posted on 03/22/2007 5:18:01 PM PDT by pissant (http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: traditional1
I love it when people defend by saying "he has not been charged with any crime" or "there is no evidence of that"...

Well, technically... what else would a person say, if there was no evidence? That there is? I suppose if you said "No, I did not" that might sound better, but...

(frankly I'm not thrilled about anyone they're talking about out there)

84 posted on 03/22/2007 5:18:07 PM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: traditional1
"There goes the alky vote. ",P>??????????

I must be slow....I'm missing the point in your post, I guess.

Whoosh right over my head too.

85 posted on 03/22/2007 5:18:52 PM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: Terriergal
..Dr. Land spoke at my church several years ago

His position in the SBC is the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission--which does make public statements related to these kinds of issues--he is a good and reasonable man...

ERLC Website

86 posted on 03/22/2007 5:18:54 PM PDT by WalterSkinner ( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
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To: pissant
This poem just hit my e-mail inbox.

Cute.

Some Former Backsliders Try to Please the Christian Right
Calvin Trillin

Although he mortified himself, it's true,
By showing up at Falwell's Wack Job U,
And says that every effort should be made
To guarantee reversing Roe v. Wade,
The Christian right's big mullahs make it plain
They're still not comfortable with John McCain.

And Giuliani's heel is like Achilles';
Revolving fillies give the right the willies.
His other heel is pretty much the same,
Since bashing gays was never Rudy's game.
But now he hates abortion. From the start,
He was, he says, opposed--deep in his heart.

Mitt Romney's saying now he should have known
A stem cell's just a human, not quite grown.
Gay marriage, which he used to think was good,
Is now the sort of awful thing that should
Be banned by an amendment he'd get passed
To rid us of this evil plague at last.

from http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070319/trillin


87 posted on 03/22/2007 5:18:56 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Warning. If your tagline is funny... I may steal it.)
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To: traditional1

maybe we're not up on the latest sterotypes.


88 posted on 03/22/2007 5:19:08 PM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: ReleaseTheHounds

LOL! I hear you. This is silly.


89 posted on 03/22/2007 5:20:22 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: pissant
"Show me a article from a mainstream publication or a serious conservative one (lib blogs don't count) that accuse Hunter of ANY wrongdoing."

Okay:

USA Today By Matt Kelley and Jim Drinkard

11-29-2005

"Contributions to chairmen

Since 1994, Wilkes and ADCS gave $40,700 in campaign contributions to Rep. Duncan Hunter, a San Diego Republican who now chairs the House Armed Services Committee. Hunter has acknowledged that he joined with Cunningham in 1999 to contact Pentagon officials who reversed a decision and gave ADCS one of its first big contracts, for nearly $10 million. Hunter's spokesman, Joe Kasper, said the congressman was unavailable for comment Tuesday."

90 posted on 03/22/2007 5:20:44 PM PDT by traditional1
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To: dmw; pissant
Ummm, excuse me, haven't you heard already that the evangelicals are committed to voting for Rudy?

I sure hope not. Where did you read that? (seriously)

91 posted on 03/22/2007 5:22:06 PM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: JFC
That whole "judge not, lest yee also be judged" was meant as an admonition to the fervently and piously self righteous, a reminder that only God is capable of, and reserves the sole right to, judge an individuals immortal soul.

People are perfectly free, and are actually required, to otherwise judge the actions, intent and statements of other living people in their lives and society.
God is not an anarchist.
I offer up the 10 Commandments as proof of the above statement.


You may not like certain people or their religious beliefs, and you are certainly free in the USA to bash them.

But bashing Christians because they are not secular libertines and/or anarchists is illogical.
92 posted on 03/22/2007 5:23:06 PM PDT by sarasmom (Thank you to all who joined the Gathering of Eagles !)
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To: dmw
Right now, I like Rudy. The electorate is clearly alienated from conservatives and isn't going to be accepting a strong conservative in the next two years. A GOP nominee who wins over some independents that the GOP lost in 2006 is essential to victory in 2008. I think Rudy is in the best position to do that (and would benefit greatly from a southern social conservative vp), and to a lesser extent, Romney may be able to do it.

I don't think anybody else in the current field has what it takes to win in 2008. Social conservatives are losing ground on many fronts - California can't pass a parental notification law for minors seeking abortions, for example. I'll take a guy like Rudy who gives me 50% of my agenda over a Hilly who gives me 10% of my agenda any day of the week.

Folks should also note that the GOP winning back the House isn't happening anytime soon. The electorate rejected the GOP in 2006 and may be angling to do it again in 2008. People who expect a GOP House in 2008 is in fantasyland.
93 posted on 03/22/2007 5:23:11 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do suck seed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: ReleaseTheHounds

Is the Southern Baptist convention out of sexual therapy yet?


94 posted on 03/22/2007 5:23:54 PM PDT by zarf (Her hair was of a dank yellow, and fell over her temples like sauerkraut......)
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To: HitmanLV
I guess they are rock stars in the evangelical movement

..no Hitman-- the "rock stars" are usually the people found owning 10 Rolls Royces funded by elderly folk's SS checks

Dr. Land is no such person--he simply reflects the position of the leadership of this large denomination...

95 posted on 03/22/2007 5:24:04 PM PDT by WalterSkinner ( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
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To: capt. norm
"Obsessing over one candidate this early on......just plain weird."

Have you delivered this message to the Rudybots who have posted dozens of pro-Rudy articles here daily? Obsession definitely describes these folks. Do you consider this "weird" too, or is it just those who are anti-Rudy?
96 posted on 03/22/2007 5:24:17 PM PDT by dmw (Aren't you glad you use common sense, don't you wish everybody did?)
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To: pissant
Hillary means nothing right now. She will never again see the oval office.

I'm sure she's dying to decorate the White House Christmas tree again. Complete with gingerbread.. men with odd body piercings.

97 posted on 03/22/2007 5:25:01 PM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: Clemenza
"BTW: Giuliani is as Catholic as Kerry and Mussolini. He's the poster boy for situational ethics."

I think if you don't like Giuliani's "ethics" or moral code or number of marriages or if he bets on horses at the track that's ok.

But saying someone isn't Catholic or whatever their faith is is not yours to say. If he and the Catholic Church says he's a Catholic then he's a Catholic.
98 posted on 03/22/2007 5:26:04 PM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: WalterSkinner
..there are always some Tony Campolo types who will support any leftist cause... Campolo BTW was Clinton's "spiritual adviser" during the Impeachment...

You got that right. My ex denomination loves him and Jim Wallis. So avoid it everyone who's looking for a church:

The Evangelical Covenant Church

Our ex denomination's president Glenn Palmberg and Jim Wallis AND Campolo all sit on the board of Call to Renewal, sister organization to Jim Wallis's Sojourners.

99 posted on 03/22/2007 5:28:02 PM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: pissant

This guy probably wouldn't vote for Thomas Jefferson or George Washington either. I couldn't care less what he thinks.


100 posted on 03/22/2007 5:28:40 PM PDT by PhoenixFire
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