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Is 'mark of the beast' in Real ID Act?
STLToday.com ^ | 03/22/2007 | Derek Kravitz

Posted on 03/22/2007 6:12:56 PM PDT by mmanager

JEFFERSON CITY — A dire, apocalyptic prophecy in the Bible's Book of Revelation is getting a new audience: state legislators.

Several evangelical Christian groups say the federal Real ID Act, which will standardize state drivers licenses and link them to corresponding national ID numbers by 2009, represents the "mark of the beast," the devilish number 666 that is attached to the godless.

The nearly 2,000-year-old passage is referenced along with the prophetic locusts, plagues, oceans of blood and rivers of fire found in the Bible. Soon after, according to scripture, the antichrist takes control of the world and Jesus Christ returns.

In short, new national ID numbers could spell the beginning of the end, some Christians believe. Advertisement

"This is getting treacherously close to prophecy in the scripture," said Irvin Baxter Jr., founder and president of Endtime Ministries in Dallas.

And some Missouri legislators are listening.

Some Christians interpret verses from the book of Revelation that say humans will be "marked … so that no one can buy or sell who does not have that mark" as a prophecy of a global numerical control system to be used by the beast, or antichrist. The number would be used during the Great Tribulation, which some Christians believe will precede the second coming of Jesus.

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TOPICS: Government; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: 666; christianity; markofthebeast; missouri; motb; realid; religion; superstition
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Boy, I'm glad I will not be around to worry about this.
1 posted on 03/22/2007 6:13:02 PM PDT by mmanager
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To: mmanager

No. Please don't make Christianity look like a cheap cult of insignificant predictions that never come true but are always embodied in the next deadline that, when it arrives, turns out to have been a "misinterpretation."


2 posted on 03/22/2007 6:14:54 PM PDT by TeenagedConservative
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To: mmanager

They said the same thing about social security numbers years ago. I would not lose sleep over this.


3 posted on 03/22/2007 6:15:04 PM PDT by penelopesire
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To: mmanager

I once saw a 666 image in my taco shell. I ate it.


4 posted on 03/22/2007 6:15:54 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: mmanager

Perhaps a step closer, but I have a feeling we wouldn't know it until it happens.


5 posted on 03/22/2007 6:16:56 PM PDT by Firefigher NC
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To: mmanager

Technically, some Christians believe strongly in Voodoo.


But you would only mention the fact to advance an agenda against all Christians.


6 posted on 03/22/2007 6:17:21 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: mmanager

Get a grip.

http://www.tektonics.org/esch/eschatology.html


7 posted on 03/22/2007 6:18:05 PM PDT by Matchett-PI (To have no voice in the Party that always sides with America's enemies is a badge of honor.)
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To: mmanager
Does "VISA" translate to 666 in some way?


8 posted on 03/22/2007 6:18:14 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: mmanager

When you are required to have it in order to buy or sell then it will become the number of the beast for certain. Thn next logical step is to have it implanted in the hand or the forehead.


9 posted on 03/22/2007 6:19:34 PM PDT by ColdSteelTalon
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To: mmanager
I wonder if they said the same about Social Security numbers back in the 30's?
10 posted on 03/22/2007 6:20:36 PM PDT by Abby4116
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To: mmanager

It's my understanding that the muslims have a tier system of those they take over. If you don't convert, then you must submit and are a second class "citizen". But for those who don't even submit get a mark (something like a tattoo?) and are considered a slave. Then there are those who oppose them and are just get killed. Am I mistaken about this? I've had it in my mind that this is the mark of the beast the Bible refers to.


11 posted on 03/22/2007 6:20:41 PM PDT by YellowRoseofTx
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To: TeenagedConservative

Well said, TC.


12 posted on 03/22/2007 6:21:11 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: mmanager

What does the real ID act have to do with Nero Ceasar again?


13 posted on 03/22/2007 6:22:25 PM PDT by mnehring (Virtus Junxit Mors Non Seperabit)
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To: Firefigher NC

a good article on this subject can be found at:

yourarmstoisrael.org
select; "a must read"
pull up: "article 29/The Final End Time Beast"

print and save for future reference.


14 posted on 03/22/2007 6:22:34 PM PDT by Lewite (Praise YAHWEH and Proclaim His Wonderful Name! Islam, the end time Beast-the harlot of Babylon.)
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To: mmanager

Yeesh.

Um, no. Don't think so.


15 posted on 03/22/2007 6:24:32 PM PDT by Ramius ([sip])
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To: mmanager

I believe that some of you took me wrong with my reply to my post. I'm not going to be around because I believe in "Pre-Trib" as the Bible states.

Anyone that wants my stuff, you can have it including bars of gold. It won't be worth anything without this mark.


16 posted on 03/22/2007 6:30:48 PM PDT by mmanager (Rudy = The GAG ONE - Guns, Abortion and Gays - Remove one and call yourself conservative.)
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To: mmanager

My personal opinion is it can't happen until there is no more paper money,ect...Seems a logical first step..


17 posted on 03/22/2007 6:35:50 PM PDT by silentreignofheroes (When the Last Two Prophets are taken, there will be no Tommorrow!)
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To: Firefigher NC
Correct me if I am wrong but I understand that the Bible is not just referring to the U.S. but the mark of the beast will be world wide.

Can you see the rest of the world, especially Europe, having IDs following our example? No way! If there is to be a mark of the beast it will not be anything the U.S.
initiates.
18 posted on 03/22/2007 6:35:54 PM PDT by frannie (Be not afraid of tomorrow - God is already there!)
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To: operation clinton cleanup; Liberty Valance
"Does "VISA" translate to 666 in some way?"

Yes... Were dooooomed!

Oh wait, I forgot who I was for a minute. Silly me.

You're dooooomed!
19 posted on 03/22/2007 6:36:59 PM PDT by Brucifer (JF'n Kerry- "That's not just a paper cut, it's a Purple Heart!")
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To: YellowRoseofTx
http://www.from911to666.com/
20 posted on 03/22/2007 6:37:40 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Compromise with Islam means you will submit to them killing you!)
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To: mmanager

This act does no more than take some power away from the States..


21 posted on 03/22/2007 6:38:18 PM PDT by silentreignofheroes (When the Last Two Prophets are taken, there will be no Tommorrow!)
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To: mmanager

Why can't these people just go to The Home...


22 posted on 03/22/2007 6:40:02 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in Vietnam meant never having to say I was sorry......)
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To: mmanager
Image hosted by Photobucket.com the number 6 in Hebrew is W 666 = WWW
23 posted on 03/22/2007 6:40:35 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ? ?)
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To: Brucifer

My BlackBerry failed to recognize the new Daylight Savings Time, so I guess the beast is not in total control yet.


24 posted on 03/22/2007 6:42:23 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: frannie

"Can you see the rest of the world, especially Europe, having IDs following our example? No way! If there is to be a mark of the beast it will not be anything the U.S.
initiates".

Investigate the technology and see where it came from = Europe


25 posted on 03/22/2007 6:45:00 PM PDT by mmanager (Rudy = The GAG ONE - Guns, Abortion and Gays - Remove one and call yourself conservative.)
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To: operation clinton cleanup

yes, my sprint didn't either until i turned it off and back on...

But---our smart set alarm clocks were suppose to change too, and didn't.


26 posted on 03/22/2007 6:45:08 PM PDT by queenkathy (The shampoo promised me extra body and I gained 3 pounds)
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To: silentreignofheroes

"My personal opinion is it can't happen until there is no more paper money,ect...Seems a logical first step.."

That's the point of this...no currency required



27 posted on 03/22/2007 6:46:51 PM PDT by mmanager (Rudy = The GAG ONE - Guns, Abortion and Gays - Remove one and call yourself conservative.)
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To: silentreignofheroes

"This act does no more than take some power away from the States.."

How so? Please tell.



28 posted on 03/22/2007 6:48:24 PM PDT by mmanager (Rudy = The GAG ONE - Guns, Abortion and Gays - Remove one and call yourself conservative.)
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To: mmanager

By replacing State issued ID..


29 posted on 03/22/2007 6:53:28 PM PDT by silentreignofheroes (When the Last Two Prophets are taken, there will be no Tommorrow!)
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To: Chode

yeah, but what does http =?


30 posted on 03/22/2007 6:54:10 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: mmanager

If we are seeing the groundwork laid so that a literal interpretation of the Book of Revelation could be fulfilled, then there will be no stopping it, for as God speaks - so it shall be.

If we are not seeing that, or if the Book is to taken 'symbolically', then it doesn't matter as 'symbolically' all the events in Revelation are already happening on a daily basis. So life as we know it will not change.

In either case our work is clear. Preach the Gospel to the ends of the earth, make disciples of all men and Baptize them into Christ, and continue to allow Christ, who dwells in us, to shape us into His image.


31 posted on 03/22/2007 6:57:50 PM PDT by uptoolate (If it sounds absurd, 51% chance it was sarcasm.)
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To: operation clinton cleanup
Drat, foiled again!
32 posted on 03/22/2007 7:01:28 PM PDT by Brucifer (JF'n Kerry- "That's not just a paper cut, it's a Purple Heart!")
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To: ColdSteelTalon

The next logical step is to have it implanted in the hand or the forehead.
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070313/nytu043a.html?.v=1
500 hospitals already Verimed hopes by end of year it will have over 800 hospitals in the network.
It's already happening across the globe and the people are lining up like lemmings.


33 posted on 03/22/2007 7:03:39 PM PDT by glymers
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To: mmanager
Oh, for Pete's sake. Look, first of all the whole "rapture" thing has no basis in Scripture or tradition. It's made-up camp-meeting malarkey — the Evangelical version of science fiction, nothing more.

Second of all, it's obvious from context in Revelation that "bearing the mark of the Beast" means to worship the Antichrist as God: those who worship God have His mark upon them, those who side with Evil bear its mark. This harks back to the Roman emperor Nero, who lived in St John's day. Nero had himself declared the Supreme Being and required all inhabitants of Rome to demonstrate their worship of him by burning a pinch of incense before his idol. Rome's Christians, of couse, refused to do this, and were martyred as a result. Likewise, St John is pointing out that in the final days the forces of Evil will concoct some sort of deified man (or men, or system of men) that will proclaim himself/itself to be the Supreme Being, and will require all to worship him/it as a mark of loyalty. This is the final Antichrist. Then as now, the worship of any being other than God will remain one thing a Christian can never do. Martyrdom will follow.

(NB: In Greek numerology, Emperor Nero's name [NRONKSR] sums up to 666. He was one of the original antichrists.)

But a driver's license? Please. God is not going to refuse you access to Heaven for having valid Texas ID. I wouldn't let anyone chip me or mine, but that's because such a method of identification reduces a human being to the status of property, not because I think it's the dreaded Mark 666.

Bottom line: Jesus saved us all by His Passion and Ressurrection. Therefore, the only thing that can keep a person from going to Heaven through Him is that person's voluntary and conscious rejection of Jesus Christ — not just in words, but by one's whole being. That is the unforgivable sin — to be presented with Jesus as King and to willfully say "No, I will not serve." Short of that, all the chip implants and ID cards in the world aren't going to land anyone in Hell.

34 posted on 03/22/2007 7:07:14 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: operation clinton cleanup
Image hosted by Photobucket.com 69,22.351666 ???
35 posted on 03/22/2007 7:16:44 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: glymers

999 - Evil when I do Handstands...

667 - More evil than evil...

25.806 - Square root of the beast ....

443556 - evil squared....

333 - half evil...

Yes, I am mocking you....


36 posted on 03/22/2007 7:19:41 PM PDT by Illuminatas (Being conservative means never having to say; "Don't you dare question my patriotism")
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To: Chode

Close enough for me! I try to avoid that whole http/www thingy, but my browser keeps throwing it in there.


37 posted on 03/22/2007 7:28:36 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: Lewite

Very interesting. 37 pages long interesting.


38 posted on 03/22/2007 7:29:50 PM PDT by SnarlinCubBear ("Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." -- Thomas Mann)
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To: B-Chan

A Christian will know and refuse when the mark of the beast is offered and you're right, this aint it. Ah, but three years from now when we need a mark access the new hillary-care.....


39 posted on 03/22/2007 7:36:34 PM PDT by bradthebuilder (War is peace; Ignorance is strength; Freedom is slavery)
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Image hosted by Photobucket.com

40 posted on 03/22/2007 7:41:42 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: mmanager

Unbelievable that people still believe this nonsense.


41 posted on 03/22/2007 7:45:03 PM PDT by baubau (BOYCOTT Bank of America for Issuing Credit Cards to 3rd World Illegal Aliens.)
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To: TeenagedConservative

This mark of the stuff has nothing to do with Christianity as it comes from the myths and fables of the Old Testament. The NT is the bible of us Christians.


42 posted on 03/22/2007 7:48:52 PM PDT by baubau (BOYCOTT Bank of America for Issuing Credit Cards to 3rd World Illegal Aliens.)
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To: baubau

Actually the Mark of the Beast is in Revelations 13;16-18
and the book of Revelations is in the New Testament


43 posted on 03/22/2007 7:57:34 PM PDT by glymers
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To: baubau

Not on this site it isn't.


44 posted on 03/22/2007 8:09:04 PM PDT by ASA Vet (http://www.rinorepublic.com)
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To: SteveMcKing

Ummmm, voodoo is a real religion. '666' being interpreted as a national ID scheme is just interpretation.


45 posted on 03/22/2007 8:24:20 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man
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To: baubau
This mark of the stuff has nothing to do with Christianity as it comes from the myths and fables of the Old Testament

Nope, it comes from the myths/fables of the New Testament (Book of Revelation).

46 posted on 03/22/2007 8:37:44 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: mmanager

I would not be to worried about this the mark will not come until after the rapture of the church.plus the mark of the beast is implanted or tattoo into the forehead or the hands of the unbeliever.Without this mark you cannot buy or sell in the antichrist world or kingdom.


47 posted on 03/22/2007 8:39:15 PM PDT by MATSEVAH
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National ID numbers?

You mean like Social Security numbers?

You're more likely to get by without a drivers license than a SS number.


48 posted on 03/22/2007 8:43:16 PM PDT by airborne (Airborne! Ranger! Combat Tested Vietnam Veteran! DUNCAN HUNTER !!)
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To: mmanager

Irving Baxter is not a Christian leader.


49 posted on 03/22/2007 8:45:49 PM PDT by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: mmanager

Prince Charles is the Anti-Christ

http://www.tribwatch.com/charles.htm




8^)


50 posted on 03/22/2007 8:46:43 PM PDT by airborne (Airborne! Ranger! Combat Tested Vietnam Veteran! DUNCAN HUNTER !!)
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