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Charlie and Rosie Are Scum
Special to FreeRepublic ^ | 24 March 2007 | John Armor (Congressman Billybob)

Posted on 03/24/2007 10:34:27 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob

I’ve been writing for publication for 50 years. I have never before referred to a fellow citizen as “scum.” Growing up, I was taught that all human beings have worth, and that even “bad” people have some virtues. So, what could possibly make me call Charlie Sheen and Rosie O’Donnell, scum?

These two people are backing an effort to recut, with Sheen narrating, an existing video about 9/11 called “Loose Change,” and distribute it through Magnolia Pictures. In addition to the sitcom actor and the talk show hostess, the other player may be Mark Cuban, an eccentric and sometimes out-of-control multi-millionaire who owns Magnolia, the Dallas Mavericks, and various other pricey baubles.

(An article on wcbs.com on 22 March, 2007, by Andrew Kirtzman, provided many of the facts for this column.)

Let’s have a look at what the original film contains. Here are two lines from the narration of that film: “If the government is lying about flight 93, is it hard to believe the rest is a lie?” And, this: “I know it's hard to imagine the government would intentionally murder almost 3000 innocent people, but once you begin to accept that possibility you can never go back to the 19 Arabs.”

Is the idea that there was no Arab attack using planes on 9/11 merely a matter of political opinion? Absolutely not. There are physical laws on such matters as high-speed impact, high temperature fires, failure of steel and other materials under such stresses. And the collapse of the two World Trade Center buildings and the outer wall of the Pentagon on 9/11, all followed those laws.

Sheen has backed this conspiracy theory in interviews. O’Donnell has backed it by reprinting the theories on her website. Cuban is backing it by saying of the film project, “we like controversial subjects.”

As a one-time physicist myself, I can follow the analysis of the hard evidence from what happened, as laid out in a book by James Meigs, Editor in Chief of Popular Mechanics magazine. Point by point he debunked the conspiracy theories about 9/11 being a US government plot to get us into war. He concluded, “It is a brilliantly patched-together stew of all kinds of misconceptions, misquotes and real mistakes about how things really worked on that day.”

So the idea that 9/11 was a vicious US plot is nonsense. I’ve spent decades writing about political nonsense without calling those who hold such views, scum. This is worse than mere politics.

Barbara Olson was an acquaintance of mine. She was a writer, and a wife and mother. She was talking on her cell phone to her husband, Solicitor General Ted Olson, as her hijacked plane was flown into the Pentagon. My fiancee was two blocks from the WTC when the first tower fell. With thousands of others, she ran north through the smoke and debris, not knowing if she would survive.

These conspiracy nuts are spitting on the memories of those who died that day, and all who were harmed, and all of their families, and on all of America – because the whole nation was the target of those attacks.

Why would any Americans stoop to such a cruel and dishonest position? As usual, history books provide an answer. During WW II, there were a handful of people who hated President Roosevelt so much that they bruited about, and apparently believed, the conspiracy theory that Roosevelt knew about the Pearl Harbor attack in advance. They believed he allowed it to happen, in order to bring the US into WW II.

The current conspiracy theory is even worse. Hatred for the Bush Administration has led certain people, including Sheen and O’Donnell to believe that this administration murdered 3,000Americans in order to create a war. To my view, that makes Sheen and O’Donnell scum. Cuban may be in it merely for the money, not the belief, so I won’t call him scum.

Is that too harsh, or do you agree?

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About the Author: John Armor practiced in the US Supreme Court for 33 years. John_Armor@aya.yale.edu He lives in the 11th District of North Carolina.

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KEYWORDS: 911; barbaraolson; charliesheen; rosieodonnell
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To: upchuck

Yep, to say Rosie and Charlie are scum is an insult to scum.


41 posted on 03/24/2007 11:45:05 AM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Championship U)
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To: Congressman Billybob

What is the difference between libs claiming 9-11 was the government's doing and Freepers believing the government killed JFK?

Is it just another reason to hate Rosie and her libs?


42 posted on 03/24/2007 11:47:05 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems. NRA)
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To: Congressman Billybob

There's at least one user on this site who buys into this crap (or did, anyway. Don't know if he or she still does).


43 posted on 03/24/2007 11:48:36 AM PDT by Rocko
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To: Reaganesque

Yes! However, make sure that their errors are also broadcast.


44 posted on 03/24/2007 11:52:09 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Rocko

Oh, there's several of them lurking under the rocks - hit the link in Post 3 on this thread for an active thread started by one of them who just today oozed out.


45 posted on 03/24/2007 11:52:29 AM PDT by CFC__VRWC (Go Gators! NCAA Football and Basketball Champions!)
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To: dfwgator

"I met Mr. Holt, the Spurs owner a few years ago. He is probably the classiest owner in all of sports, he's everything Cuban is not."

Yeah, and his team reflects that.


46 posted on 03/24/2007 11:53:09 AM PDT by aquila48
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To: CFC__VRWC
And they haven't all posted there yet.
47 posted on 03/24/2007 12:02:32 PM PDT by Rocko
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To: Congressman Billybob
Cuban may be in it merely for the money, not the belief, so I won’t call him scum.

That's okay, I'll do it for you.

48 posted on 03/24/2007 12:04:55 PM PDT by Rocko
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To: Congressman Billybob
It's hard to argue with you that they are scum. However, that type of response only brings back the typical "no you're the scum". I've always found it more effective to marginalize these people, and the best way I know how to do this is laugh at them. Not a deriding snicker, but a genuine "you are so silly" laugh. People hate to be laughed at. They will not laugh back but instead they feel a need to show that they are not "laughable". This usually brings on even more laughter.
Scum is OK with me, but I am laughing at their infantile silliness.
49 posted on 03/24/2007 12:06:23 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: fullchroma

"Ms. O’Donnell pronounced that President Bush denied Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and others access to an attorney “because of the Patriot Act.” Not true. She also offered the four-year-old photo of the unkempt, just-roused-from-bed and captured Mohammed and suggested it was taken after the United States had tortured the poor man."

Yes they did torture the guy! They made him watch her show!


50 posted on 03/24/2007 12:06:50 PM PDT by Always Independent
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To: Congressman Billybob
Thanks for your service and thanks for the article. It's so good one almost can overlook your being a lawyer ....

ONLY kidding ....Seriously, nice work.


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51 posted on 03/24/2007 12:08:46 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Tactical shotty, Marlin 1894c, S&W 686P, Sig 226 & 239, Beretta 92fs & 8357, Glock 22, & attitude!)
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To: Congressman Billybob

Think of this fiction as exercise the for the brain-dead.

Maybe we should create our own fiction and make a movie.

Nah - when it concerns our Nation, its security, the honor of our military, our integrity we play it straight.

Too bad!


52 posted on 03/24/2007 12:16:33 PM PDT by sodpoodle ( laughter - more is better!)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Statement: "Charlie and Rosie Are Scum"

Response: True enough.

53 posted on 03/24/2007 12:19:47 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: aquila48

My esteem for Trump just went up a notch. Cuban is a cheap roadside punk who got a stupid CEO to pay him 10 times what his company was worth. Dotcom boom "Stupid" money!


54 posted on 03/24/2007 12:22:18 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Misery loves miserable company.......ask any liberal. Hunter in 08!)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Excellent piece thank you, and scum is letting them off lightly.

As for Charlie and Rosie and their ilk, if they reall really believe that the President and Vice President conspired with others to murder 3000 fellow American citizens, how can they stay here and abide this monstrosity? Why are they not at the ramparts? Why have they not fled to Australia, or France, or Switzerland or even a socialist paradise like Cuba? It just makes them feel better sipping their latte on Rodeo and driving their custom SUVs. They are truly and thoroughly SCUM!

55 posted on 03/24/2007 12:30:15 PM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Congressman Billybob
All the games the Demonmice are playing have been played before. I am sure Rosie and Charlie could not have come up with such tactics on their own. They are being coordinated by those with play books in their back pocket. And anytime someone questions them about the merits of their allegations, they shout down those asking the questions so that their minions won't hear anything contrary to the game plan.
56 posted on 03/24/2007 12:34:01 PM PDT by jonrick46
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To: Congressman Billybob

It's supported by a crack addict and a cupcake addict.If I ever cross paths with any of these scumbags I will spit in their face.


57 posted on 03/24/2007 12:36:14 PM PDT by peeps36 (Politicians are less trustworthy than crooked used car salesmen.)
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To: Congressman Billybob

Has anyone ever seen the preparation, planning and hours of work shown when the old hotels and other buildings (smokestacks) have been brought down. There is NO WAY that any group could have accomplished this task without someone noticing.


58 posted on 03/24/2007 12:52:57 PM PDT by lawdude (2006: The elections we will live to die for!)
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To: Congressman Billybob

Sheen, O'Donnell, and Cuban are kooks, and should be treated as such.


59 posted on 03/24/2007 12:57:00 PM PDT by popdonnelly (Our first responsibility is to keep the power of the Presidency out of the hands of the Clintons.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Yep, he got out at the right time.


60 posted on 03/24/2007 1:56:15 PM PDT by aquila48
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